Must one believe that Jesus is God in order to be saved?

His parents went to Jerusalem every year at the Feast of the Passover. 42And when He was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem according to the custom of the feast. 43When they had finished the days, as they returned, the Boy Jesus lingered behind in Jerusalem. And Joseph and His mother did not know it; 44but supposing Him to have been in the company, they went a day’s journey, and sought Him among their relatives and acquaintances. 45So when they did not find Him, they returned to Jerusalem, seeking Him. 46Now so it was that after three days they found Him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the teachers, both listening to them and asking them questions.
47And all who heard Him were astonished at His understanding and answers. 48So when they saw Him, they were amazed; and His mother said to Him, “Son, why have You done this to us? Look, Your father and I have sought You anxiously.”

49And He said to them, “Why did you seek Me?
Did you not know that I must be about My Father’s business?”

amen I don’t think man created anything In the beginning

“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

but he surely became a man when we needed one !!! And returned to his eternal Glory when he made a way for us to live again with him !

oook I understand now

it’s definately coming I’d say sometime in the near future seems like the world is making a big shift.

Always be firmly founded on that HE "became" a man of HIS own volition and "became" does not denote created

The Word became flesh = NOT created but chosen of Himself to be

Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,
7but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
And being found in appearance as a man

Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:
“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.

yep he became a man because that’s what we needed is the thing it’s another testimony of his love and care for mankind when all was lost he looked and saw and it displeased him that there was no one worthy to intercede between holy God and sinful man and jehovah became what we needed to be saved

an intercessor ultimately he’s here now which is what we didn’t have before and what a Hope

“Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:34-35, 37-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

quite a change from this

“And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

intercession is a remarkable thing when compared to accusation.

When he saw our peril and satans trap against us He became what we needed overcoming what was against us

“And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭59:16‬ ‭

He is the God who sees ! And saves and became what we needed

“Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities;

but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:14-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:17-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬


he did it for us is what’s amazing to me all the suffering and shame he endured on our behalf the king of glory made the servant of all made for suffering and death but achieving life and glory he is amazing brother all sufficient and well able and willing to save any and all who turn to him in truth and trust

AMEN

Now dwell on this - there were many intercessors standing before God before the LORD came..........
Enoch
Noah
Abraham
Isaac
Jacob
Joseph
Moses
Joshua
Samuel
David
Elijah
and so on

So why does the scripture say " I sought for a man and found none.........."???

because brother they weren’t Jesus and weren’t able to enter the holiest of all in heaven where he is.

the ot is about imperfect creation defiled by man living a blessed earthly life and then resting in the first death until the resurrection came

, the new is about resurrection and eternal Life heaven being opened where eternal life is offered with God. None of those intercessor were God so none could offer true life beyond death they could only mediate for a time until
Death.

the ot is temporal the New Testament is eternal and the power of death has been broken in his empty tomb none of them could pass through death and rose into the heavens and sit at Gods right hand or cast satan the accuser down

those old Things were only a pattern of what Christ would do when he arrived

Dwell on this: "Enoch walked with God and could not be found for God took him"

Consider Enoch and his righteous walk with God which surpassed that of Moses and Elijah.
Yet even Enoch could not quality as a Eternal High Priest on our behalf................let that sink in - Peace

yes intercession by man never worked Enoch didn’t die and rose from death he never died because he walked with God

you know how we’re supposed to walk by faith ? In Christ ?

“By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

now look at what Christ offers

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:51‬ ‭

“who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: in whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1:13-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we’re offered by faith what Enoch was given hat we should not see death but the key is that faith is found here

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

remember when Adam and Eve tried to cover tbier sin by making leaves ? After that God covered those sins through atonement and covered them with skins himself ( implying a sacrifice was made by the lord ) because mans work is insufficient.

just after that they began to call
On the name of the lord and are called the sons of God.

I believe myself the gospel was in the beginning before the floods and then the law was given to prepare man for the gospel To be revealed

and that is how Enoch walked by faith with God and was translated and never saw death as we are promised by the lord if we hear and believe and walk after his word but it’s just my own thinking

We talk a lot about his blood and rightly so , but his word is enjoined to his bloodshed those two elements make a covenant. The word of Life and blood of remission guarantees an entrance into the kingdom surpassing dearh entirely though our body will die we don’t have to in Christ

If we hear his word it leads us to act in his word because he tells us

We are only accountable for what we come across of the word of God.

If a person confesses Jesus as Lord and Savior but have not learned He is God and dies they should be saved.

But if they come across scripture that Jesus is God then they have to believe it or they are accountable for not believing the Bible.

Jesus is God for a normal human cannot provide salvation for they are not sinless, so only God manifest in the flesh can provide a sinless human that can also be a sacrifice to take away sins.

Which the Bible says that God laid down His life for us and purchased the Church with His own blood.

The Bible states that Jesus is God for He is God manifest in the flesh.

And God said that there is no God beside Him and there was no God formed before Him and there shall be no God formed after Him so Jesus cannot be a created god and the Bible calls Him God so He must be God with no beginning.

Also there cannot be a created God for God means the greatest being which a created being would not be the greatest being.

The Bible says that Jesus is the beginning of creation which means according to the flesh who is the man Christ Jesus.

Even though the man Christ Jesus was not born until 4000 years later He can still be considered the beginning of creation.

The Bible says that God calls things that have not happened yet as though they already happened for if it is a plan of God to happen in the future it is the same thing as if it happened in the beginning for it will surely come to pass with no hindrance.

Which the Bible says the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world.

And the prophets blood shed from the foundation of the world.

And all the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Even though they were future events they were still considered to be in the beginning.

So the man Christ Jesus can be the beginning of creation before He is born because God calls things that have not happened yet as though they already happened.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

In the beginning was the plan of God to come in the future in flesh, and that plan was with God before He laid down the foundation of the world, and that plan was God manifest in the flesh.

All things were created with the plan of God to come in the future in flesh, and without that plan God would of not created all that He created because Jesus is the reason creation is successful to judge the angels and people and to give people salvation.

All creation hinges on the plan of God to come in the future in flesh who is the man Christ Jesus so Jesus can be considered the beginning of creation even though He was not born until 4000 years later.

But Jesus as God has no beginning.

This is a dangerous teaching that Jesus is not God but only a good teacher which is what the new age movement believes which the antichrist will be of the new age movement.

When the Bible says Jesus is the beginning of creation it is speaking according to the flesh the man Christ Jesus.

Obey or disobey the bible. There is no in between.
If Jesus is God.

What happens 1st and 2nd Commandments? Just a suggestion?
1) I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
2) Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

The Shema, anyone?. No insult to God, because God's say so was refuted with the greatest piety?
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is One.

Was Jesus was just feigning humility?
Jesus replied, “This is the most important: ‘Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One.

He really gives good learnin'? Ain't just coy?
“Why do you call Me good?” Jesus replied. “No one is good except God alone.

How many verses are you going to contort in your delusion?

Luke2-14

False dichotomy. The question should be whether one obeys God or disobeys God. The Bible is not a god to be obeyed. The Bible is a book over which Christians have many disagreements. Folks who practice bibliolotry often fail to understand that.

It is not a false dichotomy. How does one know the Will of God? Only by the Scriptures. If not then everything is just opinion.

The bible is considered inerrant.
2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

2 Peter 1:20-21
But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

Why there can be no contradiction in the set premises.
Deut 18:21 You may ask in your heart, “How can we recognize a message that the LORD has not spoken?” 22When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD and the message does not come to pass or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.…

The notion that understanding God suffers some sort of consensus is an odd notion. Sola Scriptura is the only principle I adhere when understanding God.

"bibliolotry" - Are you of an older tradition?

Good discussion all, don't expect me to keep up. I am not feeling good.

Praying!

41 jubilee cycles of church age, now we’re in the last one. Birth pang is intensifying.

Jesus is not a remedy for Adam who sinned and rebelled in the garden. Adam was the prototype for Jesus. As the first man he was created OUTSIDE of Eden and without sin. In Gen. 1:28 it shows that God's expectation for Adam - and Eve - was to multiply and fill the earth. God put him in the Garden as a TEST RUN, while fully aware of Satan's presence. That tree of knowledge by and of itself was not pure evil, and God didn't put it in there by mistake. That arrangement was made for one reason: with great power comes great responsibility. Adam may be created as an adult man, but mentally he was still a kid, he needed time to grow up. When he was ready, he graduated from the garden, that knowledge of good and evil would be granted to him as a reward, and he would need it to subdue the earth. But of course, he failed. Although God warned him that "the DAY you eat of it you shall SURELY die", he probably saw Eve eat it and she was still alive, and she was nagging at him 24/7 with her new power, so eventually he gave in and ate it.