We need to take another look at The Garden of Eden

I’m not sure what your meaning there. in Eden man was free to eat of every tree , but was warned of only One tree one conflicting knowledge that would cause thier death.

“And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food;

the tree of life also in the midst of the garden,

and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:9, 15-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Do you see how man was given freedom and all good things , even a good and loving warning about the deadly knowledge ?

All they had to do was believe what God had told them and they would have avoided death like also Jesus promises believers

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:51‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It was true for them also if they had accepted Gods warning they could have lived and remained with him rather than being cursed by the conflicting knowledge of Good and evil that made them sinners and opened thier eyes to temptation and death.

we can still live if we choose Gods word of life rather than the corrupt knowledge that is in the world


As for spirit , my opinion and thats all
I can ever give is our spirit and all spirit and everything with breath came from the life that’s in God. He was before everything and the life that is in all his creation came from his living spirit it has to have originated from life itself which is Gods spirit in the beginning

the trees are about “the fruit of the knowledge” we can beer the fruit of the spirit if we eat from the tree of life Jesus , or bear the fruits of the flesh if we continue to disregard his word of life

“And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,

and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;

and man became a living soul.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when a man dies his body returns to earth as it was before creation and his spirit returns to God from where it came before creation sort of a reverse of what happened at creation happens at death

“Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:

and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.”
‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭12:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I would imagine all spirit returns to him who gave it. But no One can really know
But what God has made clear

Forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors. A daily prayer spoken in present tense because everyone sins throughout life.

Eating from The Tree of LIFE is eating from CHRIST'S Kingdom. eating from the tree of knowledge is eating from satan's kingdom. They let their conscience be influenced by satan's kingdom of death. Their perception of the world is blindness to sin slavery.

the tree of Egypt (man's deception on himself) is satan's kingdom. it is where wicked intentions come from. You have one if you think you can continue to do repeated willful sin after Repentance.


1 John 4:1-6
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

So the spirit confesses ...that's curious:

Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

seven more wicked genres of intentions:

Matt. 12:43-45
When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

Your spirit isn't confessing anything about JESUS CHRIST when your spirit is the spirit of the beast with intentions only for yourself ...repeated willful sin.

Ecc 3:21
Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

If you want to make an accusation, have the courage to make it squarely. Otherwise, don't even make the innuendo.

I think scripture sometimes speaks differently to people through their lives as they need it.

I don't personally see Romans 7 as a recount of Paul's time as Saul, otherwise why would he talk about his mind being in Christ?

I don't see the presence of a bodily carnal nature as the same thing as doublemindedness. The long answer is because of the metacognitive model of ambivalence (https://academic.oup.com/ct/article/25/1/23/4061179).

In my own experience, this kind of accusatory language is a sign of a heartfelt pain. It's hard to convey things in the way they should be conveyed by the written word, but I don't take offence to this. If this is a spiritual pain of yours peeking through, just know that the highest power loves you and that no matter how pointed you may come across in the moment, those that love you don't take it personally. Paul is loved by brothers in Christ despite his moments as Saul. Everyone fails (save one) and God's love shines through anyway. Love is patient, love is kind. If you're working through something we're all here for you. Sometimes arguments and confrontation are just a way for iron to sharpen iron by shaking off the rust.

You never consider who JESUS was talking about with this:

The ones who were denied by Jesus were not believers in Jesus.

Right, i know plenty of atheists that say "Lord Lord" ...and cast out demons ...and do might works in His Name.

They were, yes. The garden of Eden is long-since destroyed.

If you think that the garden of Eden was purely allegorical, then why to the genealogies trace back to Adam? What is the origin of sin, or marriage, or clothing for that matter? Where did the earth and heavens come from, if the record in Genesis is not to be taken literally?

remind me that sarcasm doesn't work on literal only views.

The latter two quotes have nothing to do with your point... and you yell a lot, indicating that you are insecure.

I'm not surprised... cults do tend to attract that type of person..

In a figurative-Eden interpretation, genealogy tracing back to Adam is just tracing back to the oldest recorded family. Adam in a figurative interpretation of the Genesis creation story is a representation of mankind (e.g. Strong's 120).

it's scary when you truly understand what this verse is talking about:

2Th 2:11
And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,

How would you know? You haven't yet demonstrated that you rightly understand any verse of Scripture.