Do SDA believe Michael is God?

I don't feel comfortable constraining God within humanly known time, space or matter.

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Gabriel was specified by "the voice of a man calling from between the banks of the Ulai," and Daniel specified of Gabriel in chapter 9, "the man I had seen in the earlier vision (v.21). There is no referral for the one speaking in chapter 10 except to the man with the eyes like flaming fire. Is there any biblical instance where these eyes are attributed to anyone other than the Son of God as in Revelation 2:18?

With God, I mean, I can't "know" that what, or if, anything is "impossible," considering He can exist paradoxically both within the infinite the finite, as demonstrated by the Son.

my, this seemingly innocent statement brings up some interesting questions!


how long does it take God to 'deal with the devil' ?
is that an hard problem for God?

He will destroy Him with the breath of His mouth - He was slain from the foundation of the world, and lives forever
so before time He has already done it

so, ok, Gabriel needed enough time for Christ to exhale a single molecule - the One who created all things by His breath
how long is that?
can we put some numbers to this?

Christ is infinite Creator God - how quickly can infinity exert zero effort?

That is what I said.

Gabriel and Michael and Jesus are separate beings.

You mock at what you clearly do not understand.

Daniel was mourning and fasting in Daniel 10 for 3 weeks in the 1st Month of the 3rd year of Cyrus II. Do you know why? (I do) If you understand this, you will understand why Jesus/Michael was needed against the devil, and why satan was not instantly destroyed and why Cyrus II needed encouraging by Jesus/Michael against the devil's insinuations. Read Daniel 9, 2 Chronicles 36 to help your study so that you may no longer appear foolish and ignorant of these things.

Jesus is my Savior! NOWHERE in the Bible does it say Michael is the Savior. You can't find even one Scripture that says CLEARLY that Michael is the Savior!!!
1 Timothy 1:1 (NKJV)
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ, by the commandment of God our Savior and the Lord Jesus Christ, our hope,

Can't find Michael as Savior? That's because he isn't.
2 Timothy 1:10 (NKJV)
10 but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,

Only Satan's children believe Michael is their Savior!

hmm i certainly do not think that praising the power of the Almighty God counts as 'mocking'

do you know why Michael & the other angels, rather than the One seated on the throne of God and of the Lamb ((Rev. 22:3)), fought the dragon?

Look again, lest you have the Son of God (clothed linen) being less knowledgeable in prophecy than others.

Daniel 8 is tied to Daniel 7 and the span of time there, just as Daniel 8 is tied to Daniel 9 and the time there:

Daniel 8:1 In the third year of the reign of king Belshazzar a vision appeared unto me, even unto me Daniel, after that which appeared unto me at the first.

Daniel is very chiastic, not only in chapter, but so in verse, for instance, in Daniel 8:1, the chiasm reads [brackets in bold added for helpful clarity]:

[A1] “In the third year of the reign of king Belshazzar ...”

[B1] “... a vision appeared ...”

[C1] “... unto me [Daniel] ...”

[C2] “... even unto me Daniel ...”

[B2] “... after that [vision] which appeared unto me ...”

[A2] “... at the first [year of the reign of king Belshazzar, in Daniel 7:1].”

Daniel 7:1 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the sum of the matters.

Further comparison:

Compare:

"then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face toward the ground" in Daniel 10:9,

to Daniel 8:18 "I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground"

Compare:

"I am come for thy words" in Daniel 10:12,

also "sent" in Daniel 10:11

to Daniel 9:21 "being caused to fly swiftly"

and Daniel 9:22 "And he informed [me], and talked with me"

and Daniel 9:23 "I am come to shew [thee]"

and Daniel 8:17 "So he came near where I stood"

Compare:

"hand touched me" in Daniel 10:10

to Daniel 9:21 "touched me"

and Daniel 8:18 "he touched me, and set me upright"

Compare:

"understand" in Daniel 10:11-14

to Daniel 9:22 "skill and understanding"

and Daniel 9:23 "therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision."

and Daniel 9:25 "Know therefore and understand"

and Daniel 8:16 "make this [man] to understand the vision"

and Daniel 8:17 "Understand, O son of man"

and Daniel 8:19 "Behold, I will make thee know"

and Daniel 7:16 "So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things."

Compare:

"for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart"

and "to chasten thyself before thy God"

and "thy words were heard" in Daniel 10:12

to Daniel 9:23 "At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth"

and Daniel 8:15 "sought for the meaning"

and Daniel 7:16 "asked him the truth of all this"

and Daniel 7:19 "Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast"

Compare:

"O man greatly beloved" in Daniel 10:19

to Daniel 9:21 "for thou [art] greatly beloved"

Compare:

"like the appearance of a man" in Daniel 10:18

to Daniel 9:21 "even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning"

and Daniel 8:15 "behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man"

and Daniel 8:16 "Gabriel"

and Daniel 7:16 "one of them that stood by"

Daniel 11 parallels Daniel 8. Gabriel was sent back to complete in detail what was incomplete in Daniel 8.

You seem to be monologuing off topic to yourself. I'm going to continue with what I am doing with engaging in discussion of the topic with those that reciprocate in answering questions.

You completely lost me here.

This appears to say, "Look again until you see it as I do..."

To clarify, do you believe Gabriel to be the one described with the eyes of flaming fire or do you believe that "certain man" is an aside vision within the context of Gabriel speaking?

the And" beginning chapter 11 indicates a continuation from chapter 10 wherein the speak refers back to the year "I stood up to strengthen and protect him." Who do you believe stood up to protect whom? This will provide insight as to whom you believe is speaking in chapter 10, though your believe may not necessarily agree with my view of it.

This "And" connector is missing in the transition from chapter 9 to 10, and there is a clear indication of a separate timeframe.

I am sure Michael is disgusted with the people who try to make him into their Savior. Just like Mary is disgusted with those who make her into the Queen of Heaven. And Peter must be disgusted with those who claim that the papacy originated with him.

Hi responding with an interesting Amazing fact from an Adventist preacher Doug Batchelor.

Please take the time to read if you want to know how SDA view Michael.

AN AMAZING FACT
When King Humbert of Italy inherited the throne, Naples teetered on the verge of insurrection against the monarchy. Politicians urged violent measures to force the people into submission, but the king did not allow this. Then cholera suddenly broke out in the city, and the dreaded disease raged with fury. The young king, ignoring the warnings of his advisers, left the palace and went alone through Naples' crowded hospitals. Moved with devotion and love for even his disloyal subjects, he ministered to them with his own hand. Many suffering people breathed prayers of gratitude to this young medical servant, not knowing he was the very king they spurned. When the plague was finally checked, many learned the true identity of the noble nurse who had cared for them. Naples then became a conquered city—not by force, but by the love and pity of the monarch it once refused. From then on, the people of Naples became Humbert's most loyal subjects.


The Michael Enigma

Questions frequently arise in Christian circles about the true identity of the mysterious biblical character known as Michael, sometimes called "Michael the archangel" and "Michael the Great Prince." Some claim that Michael is the highest of the heavenly angels, one of the covering cherubs, or a special messenger like Gabriel. And therefore, he is a created being. Others, such as Bible commentator Matthew Henry, assert that Michael is simply another of the many names for Jesus Himself. Can we know the real identity of this mysterious being? Obviously, the key to deciphering this puzzling question is found in the Scriptures. "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, Line upon line, line upon line, Here a little, there a little" Isaiah 28:10.

A quick look in a Bible concordance reveals that there are 15 references to the name Michael in Scripture. Ten of these are simply people named Michael. In fact, the entry for "Michael" in the lexicon a Greek and/or Hebrew dictionary states, "The name of an archangel and nine Israelites." It is the identity of Michael, the archangel and prince, mentioned in the last five references that we seek in this important study.

The first three of these references to Michael are in the Old Testament book of the prophet Daniel. The last two are mentioned in the New Testament books of Jude and Revelation. With an honest study and comparison of these and other verses, clues quickly emerge that lead us to an inescapable conclusion of Michael's true identity He is none other than Jesus—He is not a created angel or cherub, but this name is another of the many grand titles for God's eternal Son!

At first glance, the Old Testament appears to portray Michael as a prince, and the New Testament describes Him as an archangel. But by looking at other related Scriptures where similar language and wording are used, we will see an interesting pattern emerge. Warning

Before you proceed any further, please carefully read and digest this next thought. Because the word "angel" means messenger, it is used very freely and broadly in Scripture. Sometimes, men are called angels in the Bible 1 Samuel 29:9 Galatians 4:14. And sometimes angels are called men Genesis 32:24. And in other places, as will be soon shown, God Himself is identified as an angel! Of course, even angels are called angels.

Typically, when a person thinks of an angel, they picture one of the many levels of winged, ministering spirits known as angels, seraphim, or cherubim. Unlike Jesus, these celestial beings are created. There are some cults that teach that Jesus, before His earthly incarnation, was really just a powerful angel that had a feud with His wayward fellow angel Lucifer. In turn, this means that Jesus is a created being who has been promoted by the Father and therefore not the eternal God as Christians accept. This study categorically rejects that view. Jesus is, and always has been, God's eternal Son and indeed God Himself. Any comparison made to Jesus as an angel in this study is simply in the classical sense as a greatest messenger of salvation and is in no way intended to diminish from His eternal divinity.



The Key Is in the Name
First, let's consider the meaning of some words and names. In the Greek New Testament, the word "angel" means "messenger," and "arch" means "chief, principle, greatest, or highest." So "archangel" simply means "highest or greatest messenger." The Hebrew name "Michael," found in the Old Testament, means "who is like God" or sometimes it forms a question: "Who is like God?" So the title Michael the archangel can be translated as "The greatest messenger who is God." Whether this name is a question, statement, or a challenge will be clear by further study. One angel did profess to be like God. That covering cherub fallen from the heavenly courts is Lucifer, who became the devil or Satan, by claiming to "be like the most High" Isaiah 14:14. In Revelation 12:7, Satan is opposed by "Michael and his angels" and is cast out of heaven.

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Amazing Fact Part two Michael.

The Angel of the Lord
The phrase "angel of the Lord" is found 68 times in Scripture. Sometimes it applies to Gabriel who appeared to Daniel, Zacharias, and Mary. But Gabriel is called "an" angel of the Lord (Luke 1:11). He is not referred to as "the" angel of the Lord. Neither is he ever called the archangel. (And while we’re on the subject, the popular angel Raphael does not appear anywhere in Scripture.) Gabriel is probably one of the two covering cherubs who flank the throne of God. Remember that he said to Zacharias, "I am Gabriel, who stands in the presence of God," (Luke 1:19). Lucifer once held the other position before his fall (Ezekiel 28:14). If the highest rank held by an angel is that of the covering cherubs by the throne of God then who and what is an archangel? And who is this mighty individual identified as "the angel of the Lord" who performs such prominent roles in the redemption of man?

God the Father created all things through Jesus (Hebrews 1:2; Ephesians 3:9). It is not implausible to assume that if Christ came to earth and became a man in His battle against Satan to save human beings, He might also have in some way identified with the angels to protect them from Satan's evil influence in heaven. In fact, there are several references in Scripture to a mysterious being identified as "the angel of the Lord" before Christ's earthly incarnation. Yet each time He is mentioned, there are clues to His identity. Let's review them briefly in the order in which they appear.


Abraham
God told Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac on mount Moriah. Just as he was about to plunge the dagger into his son of promise, the angel of the Lord stopped him. "And the angel of the Lord called unto him out of heaven, and said, 'Abraham, Abraham:' and he said, 'Here am I.' And he said, 'Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me'" (Genesis 22:11, 12).

It is clear that Abraham was offering his son to God and not to a mere angel. "And the angel of the Lord called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, And said, 'By myself have I sworn,' saith the Lord, 'for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: That in blessing I will bless thee, … because thou hast obeyed my voice'" (Genesis 22:15-18). In recounting this experience of Abraham in Acts 3:25, Peter also identifies this "angel of the Lord" who made a covenant with the Patriarch as God.


Moses
Moses saw a burning bush that was not consumed. "And the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush" (Exodus 3:2). Verse 4 identifies this angel: "God called unto him out of the midst of the bush." And in verse 6 He identifies Himself again. "I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob." The angel of the Lord identifies Himself as God!

In his last sermon before he was stoned to death, Stephen agrees with the Exodus account. "And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sinai an angel of the Lord in a flame of fire in a bush. When Moses saw it, he wondered at the sight: and as he drew near to behold it, the voice of the Lord came unto him, Saying, I am the God of thy fathers, the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob" (Acts 7:30-32).


Israel
In another instance, the children of Israel were led through the wilderness by God. "And the Lord went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night" (Exodus 13:21). Moses later describes this being that led them this way: "And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them" (Exodus 14:19). Again, "the angel of God" is identified as God.

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Amazing Fact Part 3 Michael.


No One has Seen the Father
Suddenly we have more leads than we can follow! We can clearly see that "angel of the Lord" is frequently identified to be God Himself. But the Bible states, "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him" (John 1:18). John 6:46 also tells us, "Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father." Obviously, since no man has seen God the Father, all of these Old Testament sightings of God as the "angel of the Lord" must have been Jesus, God the Son, veiling His glory so they could endure His presence without being consumed.


The Angel of the Covenant
One of the most famous messianic prophecies is found in Malachi 3:1: "Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts."

The messenger of the covenant spoken of here in Malachi is clearly a reference to the advent of Jesus Christ. The word translated as messenger (mal'ak) is the same exact word used in the previous Old Testament passages translated as angel of the Lord. So this would also be a proper translation: "Behold, I will send my angel, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the angel of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. What could be clearer?



Rebuking the Accuser
There is one more important reference in which the angel of the Lord appears in the Old Testament. The prophet Zechariah was given a vision of Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord. Satan is standing at his right hand to resist him. Here we see two adversaries contending over a sinful human being. Joshua's filthy garment symbolizes his sin. (Zechariah 3:3).

In this narrative, the name changes quickly from "the angel of the Lord" (verse 1) to "the Lord" (verse 2), indicating again that they are the same. Then the Lord makes an interesting statement. "And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan" (Zechariah 3:2). There is only one other place in Scripture, Jude 9, where this sen- tence is found—and Michael the archangel speaks it!

In the short epistle of Jude, we witness a vignette similar to Joshua and the angel in Zechariah. "Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee" (Jude 1:9). The situations are amazingly parallel: Christ and Satan are contending over the fate of two of God’s great human leaders (a living one in the case of Joshua, and a dead one in the case of Moses). The debate is ended abruptly when Jesus says, "The Lord rebuke thee."

This passage raises another valid question. Some people are confused by part of this verse in Jude 1:9 where Michael rebukes the devil. They wonder: If Michael is really another name for Jesus, then why does he invoke the name of the Lord when rebuking Satan? Why not do it Himself as He did when tempted in the wilderness. "Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan" (Matthew 4:10).

In studying the Scriptures and language of Jesus, we quickly see it was a very common practice for Jesus to speak of Himself in the second person, as in Luke 18:8: "Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" And if there is still any lingering question, we have this other clear Scripture in Zechariah 3:2, where the Lord does the same thing Michael does in Jude. He invokes His own name when rebuking the devil. "And the LORD said to Satan, 'The LORD rebuke you, Satan!'" Perhaps these Scriptures are examples of God the Son, appealing to the name of His Father in rebuking Satan.


Michael the Prince
Michael is mentioned more in Daniel than in any other book in Scripture. (See Daniel 10:13; 10:21; 12:1.) In all three references, He is called a prince—your prince and the great prince. Isaiah's prophecy about the Messiah (Isaiah 9:6) reveals oneof the key names he says that would apply to the Messiah is "Prince of Peace."

There is another verse in Daniel 8:25 where the "Prince of princes" is mentioned. Again, the cosmic conflict is being played out with Christ on one side and the devil on the other, with humanity serving as the battlefield. "Prince of princes" is actually the same term that is translated "prince of the host" in verse 11. This is similar to "Lord of lords" (Psalm 136:3), "God of gods" (Deuteronomy 10:17), and "King of kings" (Revelation 19:16). All these are titles of deity. He is even referred to as "Messiah the Prince" (Daniel 9:25).

Who is this being that the angels call the Great Prince? Let's let the Bible tell us.

Isaiah 9:6: "And his name shall be called …The Prince of Peace."

Acts 3:14, 15: "But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and … killed the Prince of life."

Acts 5:30, 31: "The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour."

Revelation 1:5: "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth."

These verses clearly echo with three verses in Daniel in which Michael is called a "prince."

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