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In classic DF thinking the Millennium is really a point at which the parenthetical church age closes and the dispensation of Law returns, albeit with Christ supervising bodily.

Wrote no Apostle ever...
 
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At its beginning, pre-millennialism , at least in DF teaching, Christ comes to install a temporal kingdom and fails. Then He must
turn to the cross , install the 'church age' and return after thousands of years to effectually take His temporal throne .
On the contrary we know God's plans , whether secret or open, are His doing and by no means subject to any part of the creation.
 

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In classic DF thinking the Millennium is really a point at which the parenthetical church age closes and the dispensation of Law returns, albeit with Christ supervising bodily.

Wrote no Apostle ever...
What the heck is DF
 

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In classic DF thinking the Millennium is really a point at which the parenthetical church age closes and the dispensation of Law returns, albeit with Christ supervising bodily.

Wrote no Apostle ever...
DF?
 

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In classic DF thinking the Millennium is really a point at which the parenthetical church age closes and the dispensation of Law returns, albeit with Christ supervising bodily.
There are not many prominent "classic" Dispensationalists around, so it's not really worth the discussion.
Most Dispensationalists now are not classic Dispensationalists.
 

Artios1

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Dispensatioanl Futurism
Thank you ...I figured the first was dispensational, but never heard of the DF ....then again I don't pay much attention to tags or labels.
 
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If the final dispensationalism is not God's plan then what is His plan for creation, man's day, church/bible age, eternal salvation?
 
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There are not many prominent "classic" Dispensationalists around, so it's not really worth the discussion.
Most Dispensationalists now are not classic Dispensationalists.
True enough but they never were monolithic and Scofield still has a great deal of influence.
 
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Thank you ...I figured the first was dispensational, but never heard of the DF ....then again I don't pay much attention to tags or labels.
Lots of folks use 'dispy' and to me that sounds like some icky kids cereal
 
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If the final dispensationalism is not God's plan then what is His plan for creation, man's day, church/bible age, eternal salvation?
Today Christ is in session where He will remain , as the Spirit ministers on earth, until the last enemy is put away through resurrection of the body.
 
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There are not many prominent "classic" Dispensationalists around, so it's not really worth the discussion.
Most Dispensationalists now are not classic Dispensationalists.
So far as I know most still hold to the 'parenthetical church age' after all with out that there is no any moment rapture and with out that there is no $
 

Diakonos

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So far as I know most still hold to the 'parenthetical church age'
Oh yes, that is a common agreement among them. But you said they believe that "the Dispensation of Law returns" after the church age closes. I'm confident they do not believe that because Dispensationalists affirm that the Law has been fulfilled.

Why do you say they believe the Dispensation of Law will return?
 

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Ah, I see... it's the ol' "Amillennialist-teaching" that 1 Corinthians 15:24 says, "THEN [immediately] the end..." instead of what it actually says, "THEN [sequentially] the end..." ;

This Greek word, G1534 - "then [eita]" being a SEQUENCE word only, with NO time-element attached to it
 
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Oh yes, that is a common agreement among them. But you said they believe that "the Dispensation of Law returns" after the church age closes. I'm confident they do not believe that because Dispensationalists affirm that the Law has been fulfilled.

Why do you say they believe the Dispensation of Law will return?
Temple rites and worship require regulation, priests and definitions and enforcements of true sacrifices. And from the classics Chafer called the Millennium a return to Judaism. This was never invalidated by Pentecost or Walvoord.
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I have had adherents tell me ,personally, this year, that the Lord's Prayer is not for the church- Such stains have a long life.
 

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from the classics Chafer called the Millennium a return to Judaism. This was never invalidated by Pentecost or Walvoord.
4 things:

1. Dispensationalists are not followers of Walvoord or Pentecost. Their commentary doesn't define what Dispensationalism is.
2. The fact that someone doesn't invalidate something doesn't mean they support it. They also never invalidated the flat earth theory...that doesn't make them flat-earthers.
2. Walvoord confirms the passing away of the law dispensation (he even calls it Judaism).

"Christ's purpose is to bring in something new. He came to lead a group
out of Judaism into the kingdom based on Him and His righteousness". -Walvoord​
Barbieri, L. A., Jr. (1985). Matthew. In J. F. Walvoord & R. B. Zuck (Eds.), The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures (Vol. 2, p. 40). Victor Books.

4. The Kingdom dispensation is similar to the Law dispensation. But they are not the same and it isn't a return of the Law, it is the return of a nation.