The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.

God has preserved His holy words in English in the KJV. No need to study Greek or Hebrew.

The after effects of Killing Christ started the war in heaven.

Wrong again. As usual you've got it completely backwards. Revelation 3:10 is Jesus' acknowledgment that these believers are clinging to and confessing HIS patient endurance in HIS work on the cross, so codified in the Word of Scripture, and proclaiming it faithfully and rigorously.

There were many so-called Churches in that day (and so many today as well), that took the path of apostasy, dening that Jesus' completed work on the cross is necessary and sufficient.

And there is no doubt that this is in fact yet another rapture verse. Of which there are many.

We'll agree on the regicide.

Since you've dusted off your Bible, could you point me to the verse that has Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven please?

The regicide is the reason given for the destruction of the city. It happened ,as per Christ, with a generation of his prophetic word. The judgement was historically and geographically local but its effects are still felt today. Only those who saw Him in the flesh could commit this particular crime and they all lived as contemporaries of Christ. These are just a few basic reasons the 'great tribulation' is a past event and unique in history, never to be repeated. Those watching ang hoping to see it start may as well join with those still awaiting the First Advent. Israel had before been brought down and every instance ended with the promise of return. Not this time. the kingdom has been taken away and given to the nation that produces its fruit. This is the real 'greatness' of the trouble, it is the covenantal destruction of ancient Israel , punishment rather than chastisement . This had never before been imposed and though the warnings began with Moses , they were not headed.

Most certainly THE WHOLE WORLD was not worshipping SATAN. Most certainly 'the one' people today CLAIM as being worshipped AS GOD was NOT PERFORMING ANY LYING SIGNS AND WONDERS. Most certainly there was no HOUR in which 10 CROWNS were being worn by ANGELS cast out with Satan. Most certainly there was NO FLOOD OF LIES taking place to deceive the whole world.

THE TEMPLE was destroyed JUST AS CHRIST SAID IT WOULD BE. BUT that HAPPENED TO THAT GENERATION.

IF indeed GREAT TRIBULATION had taken place then ALL THE KINGDOMS WOULD BE GOING YEAR AFTER YEAR TO WORSHIP AT THE TEMPLE. There is no temple for this to be done. ALSO, all who were 'ALIVE AND REMAINING' would have been CHANGED.

AND CESAR WOULD HAVE BEEN BOUND IN THE EARTH WITH A SEAL SET UPON HIM.

There would have been

MANY FALSE PROPHETS, CLAIMING THERE IS CHRIST, or there is Christ? none were.

which NATIONS AGAINST NATIONS AND KINGDOMS AGAINST KINGDOMS were taking place at the time? (since it was basically a 'one world order)

what famines were taking place?

earthquakes, were any of those known to be taking place?

did it seem as if those who ENDURED to the end 'in the temple' were saved?


who EXACTLY of GODS ELECT were DECEIVED INTO BELIEVING THAT CHRIST HAD RETURNED AND WAS IN FACT, 'CESAR'?


Mark 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Spirit.


ANY recordings of that?


SO while I would agree 100% THE 70 AD DESTRUCTION TOOK PLACE UP BECAUSE OF

Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.



AND WHEN 20 MINUTES LATER HIS DISCIPLES CAME UNTO HIM PRIVATELY THIS WAS SPEAKING OF THE 'TRIBULATION AND GREAT TRIBULATION' THAT IS DISTINCTLY FUTURE.

Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?



2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.


FOR TRIBULATION TO HAVE TAKEN PLACE THEN WHAT FOLLOWS GREAT TRIBULATION MUST HAVE ALSO TAKEN PLACE,

AND NONE OF IT HAS


8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Yes we go when he comes, exactly like he said.
"BEFORE THE FLOOD........"

one taken, one left.

Watch and be ready.

Pretrib rapture big time.

Words matter to God and they should matter to us. Sovereignty is not a biblical term. I absolutely believe that God reigns supreme over all things, but has given responsibility over to man to make choices. Satan is the god of this world, the ruler of the darkness. Ultimately, God's word will prevail as stated. We can get on board or not.

Calvin believes all things that occur have been ordained by God making God the author of sin.

"It is not sufficient for us to be once called by the lord , unless we live as new creatures"

IF indeed GREAT T

RIBULATION had taken place then ALL THE KINGDOMS WOULD BE GOING YEAR AFTER YEAR TO WORSHIP AT THE TEMPLE.


What temple ?

Your post brought to mind an old post of mine... which matter I find few desire to look into and examine closely:



[quoting old post]


Re: "CALLED"... and the TWO distinct Greek words translated "CALL/CALLED" (or "INVITE/INVITED"):


G2564 - kaleó / kalesai / keklēmenous - "to call / invite / name"


G2822 - klétos / klētoi / klētois - "to call / invite / summon"



It is important to notice how EACH of these is used in BOTH [/EACH] the Matthew 22:1-14 passage AND the Romans 8:28,30 verses



G2564 - kaleó / kalesai / keklēmenous - "to call / invite / name" -


Matthew 22:3 V-ANA
GRK: δούλους αὐτοῦ καλέσαι τοὺς κεκλημένους
NAS: out his slaves to call those
KJV: servants to call them that were bidden
INT: servants of him to call those having been invited


Matthew 22:3 V-RPM/P-AMP
GRK: καλέσαι τοὺς κεκλημένους εἰς τοὺς
NAS: those who had been invited to the wedding feast,
KJV: to call them that were bidden to
INT: to call those having been invited to the


Matthew 22:4 V-RPM/P-DMP
GRK: Εἴπατε τοῖς κεκλημένοις Ἰδοὺ τὸ
NAS: those who have been invited, Behold,
KJV: Tell them which are bidden, Behold,
INT: Say to those having been invited Behold the


Matthew 22:8 V-RPM/P-NMP
GRK: οἱ δὲ κεκλημένοι οὐκ ἦσαν
NAS: but those who were invited were not worthy.
KJV: but they which were bidden were
INT: those moreover having been invited not were

[NOTE: these ^ had rejected the invitation/call, per vv.3,5,6]



Matthew 22:9 V-AMA-2P
GRK: ἐὰν εὕρητε καλέσατε εἰς τοὺς
NAS: as you find [there], invite to the wedding feast.'
KJV: ye shall find, bid to
INT: if you shall find invite to the


Romans 8:30 V-AIA-3S
GRK: τούτους καὶ ἐκάλεσεν καὶ οὓς
NAS: He also called; and these
KJV: he also called: and whom
INT: these also he called and whom







G2822 - klétos / klētoi / klētois - "to call / invite / summon" -

Matthew 22:14 Adj-NMP
GRK: γάρ εἰσιν κλητοὶ ὀλίγοι δὲ
NAS: For many are called, but few
KJV: many are called, but few
INT: indeed are called few however


Romans 8:28 Adj-DMP
GRK: κατὰ πρόθεσιν κλητοῖς οὖσιν
NAS: to those who are called according
KJV: to them who are the called according
INT: according to [his] purpose called are




[note: the Matthew 22:1-7,8-14 passage is referring to the "guests [plural]" of "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" i.e. the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom which will be commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth, whereas the Romans 8 passage is referring to (that which pertains to) "the Church which is His body" (who is not "the guests [plural]"), so there's that distinction to be noted also--not that this makes much difference in how these two words are used (re: call/invite)]




[quoting from BibleHub]

"In the NT, 2822 /klētós ("divinely called") focuses on God's general call – i.e. the call (invitation) He gives to all people, so all can receive His salvation. God desires every person to call out to Him and receive His salvation (1 Tim 2:4,5). "Unfortunately, many choose not to – but all can; all don't but all can call out to God for His mercy (not just 'some')" (G. Archer)." [source: BibleHub]



[end quoting old post]

Reading the 'preface' in the 1611 would clear that error up for you

Look
Anybody can see it and read it

It is the EXACT MIRROR of the rapture. Vivid, vivid picture.

Why should I?

4 ARK IS CARRIED MORE THAN A MILE INTO THE SKY ( as is the church)