's' no such thing as human freewill
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God's will for me is that I should have a glad heart, that I might overflow with Joy.
Jesus said "you have not chosen Me but I have chosen you" why do you insist that you chose Him?
"I have chosen you and ordained you that you might bear much fruit, that your joy might be FULL"
Stop putting your trust in your "own freewill" it will lead to condemnation and bondage, you will not have a merry heart. Put all your trust instead in God's will for your life. Trust in the Lord and lean not to your own understanding.
Jesus said "you have not chosen Me but I have chosen you" why do you insist that you chose Him?
"I have chosen you and ordained you that you might bear much fruit, that your joy might be FULL"
Stop putting your trust in your "own freewill" it will lead to condemnation and bondage, you will not have a merry heart. Put all your trust instead in God's will for your life. Trust in the Lord and lean not to your own understanding.
Again to whom was he speaking when he said" I have chosen you "
John 15: 15 Henceforth i call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his Lord doeth: but i i have called you FRIENDS,FOR ALL THINGS THAT I HAVE HEARD OF MY FATHER I HAVE MADE KNOWN UNTO YOU., this goes with the one you quoted.
You can not pick out scripture that says what you are saying unless it is in context and truth.
Your agenda,doctrine,thoughts....whatever you believe does NOT measure up to the word......sorry!
WHAT IS YOUR SO CALLED WIDER MERCY?
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Ok. I see I will NEVER be ready to accept heresy,NOT EVER.
I'm just sorry you are blind......hmmmm makes me wonder about...WIDER MERCY!
You may have NEVER read Calvin but your teachers,preachers ect. have heard it and have indoctrinated you with it.
Sorry this closes out my part with you unless I just can't resist the Spirit.
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You met a man with a fly in his eye ? Give me a break , I am not on earth to quibble about non-sense. If you believe in TULIP come out of the shadows and just say so. God is Lord. No one is accusing you on this end. Throw a rock into a pack of dogs the dog that barks is the dog that got hit. I don’t need a “higher understanding “
My signature line is a bit of prose. But it corresponds precisely to a passage of Scripture. If you don't wish to be asked about your own words then don't write them. How simple can it be? What I wrote, to which you responded, wasn't set into a doctrinal frame work - it was a stated truth. If you agree to the truth then let that be your response - but don't waste your time inflecting accusations unless you really want to draw the sword of the Word in Greek, Hebrew, Latin - as Calvin did. Hope that helps.
To this inexplicable prose.
What pack of dogs have you been throwing rocks into?
So, if I have to assume that your words quoted above are a simile then by force of direction I would also have to believe that I am the dog who was hit by the rock you threw into the pack of dogs.
I can hardly believe that you mean that because all I said to you, in essence, was a single sentence that contained my entire meaning. But the sentence was rather simple and if you had sought the Lord and refused the thrown rock - you may just have wondered how such a simple sentence could even answer the argument about freewill. So here is the sentence again, brother.
The conviction of sin is sufficient to press any man into obedience if we also see that Christ died to take our sin away. Consequently, the conviction of sin produces obedience.
What pack of dogs have you been throwing rocks into?
So, if I have to assume that your words quoted above are a simile then by force of direction I would also have to believe that I am the dog who was hit by the rock you threw into the pack of dogs.
I can hardly believe that you mean that because all I said to you, in essence, was a single sentence that contained my entire meaning. But the sentence was rather simple and if you had sought the Lord and refused the thrown rock - you may just have wondered how such a simple sentence could even answer the argument about freewill. So here is the sentence again, brother.
The conviction of sin is sufficient to press any man into obedience if we also see that Christ died to take our sin away. Consequently, the conviction of sin produces obedience.
I saw that the first time you posted it and agreed with it . But partial truth is still partial truth. The throw a rock into the pack of dogs was a quote a pastor used to give us back in the day regarding a person convicted of sins oft time reaction. I admit to throwing the rock I was a bit miffed at being accused of accusing . With that behind us now and you not being as thin-skinned as first supposed. Thank you for letting me know what I am dealing with. My experience has been long and tiring regarding dealing with Calvinists. I use the KJV . Calvinists you His 5 points, human assumptions, ideas and John C’s interpretation of Scripture. Rather than a scripture vs. scripture defense of the Gospel. If it doesn’t fit into the Calvinist theme of scripture it is not even acknowledged in most cases. I’m tired just preambling any future discussion on the 5 points. I’ll talk about the Bible all you want. lol
There may be very few truths that wholly express the fulness of truth - save for where the Father was pleased to make it so. In Christ by Christ and to the glory of the Father and the Son. Variations of that are always wholly true - in the fulness sense. What I wrote (my own words and quoting no others' words) was a truth - and it expressly speaks to the question of freewill. I should have though that was self evident. Nor do I see a need to make allowances for brethren who culturally appear to believe that endless hostility and argument are of themselves worthwhile. My skin was stripped from my mind when I was a small child so I don't flinch. No need for skin when you don't flinch.
You appear to be concerned with Unconditional Election. I wrote about free will and alluded to a reality of many folks conversions (in keeping with the threads presentation) that are often set at variance with one another. Some say that they chose Christ (Freewill) and others that Christ chose them (Predestination). I say that if men did choose Christ unto being born again it was only an illusion - as real as it may have been and in many fits of tears and groans because of sin - it is an allusion when that sense of choosing Christ - in that instant of being saved - becomes the basis for their walk. That is an inference to Total Depravity. I didn't make any reference to Calvin - however. I also posted a video @#171. We should all be challenged by how we understand our calling. We live in exceptional times and there is no liberty to argue with one another - and then come to no proper basis to agree on why we must bear with one another in order to find a more mature basis to walk together in a time when the wolves are already devouring the flocks.
I also say that there is a choosing to be made - so I have written for decades on that theme in order to try and settle others' minds in a hope to encourage more growth. In face to face situations I just present a brass wall. No thin skin with me - I don't have any skin.
You appear to be concerned with Unconditional Election. I wrote about free will and alluded to a reality of many folks conversions (in keeping with the threads presentation) that are often set at variance with one another. Some say that they chose Christ (Freewill) and others that Christ chose them (Predestination). I say that if men did choose Christ unto being born again it was only an illusion - as real as it may have been and in many fits of tears and groans because of sin - it is an allusion when that sense of choosing Christ - in that instant of being saved - becomes the basis for their walk. That is an inference to Total Depravity. I didn't make any reference to Calvin - however. I also posted a video @#171. We should all be challenged by how we understand our calling. We live in exceptional times and there is no liberty to argue with one another - and then come to no proper basis to agree on why we must bear with one another in order to find a more mature basis to walk together in a time when the wolves are already devouring the flocks.
I also say that there is a choosing to be made - so I have written for decades on that theme in order to try and settle others' minds in a hope to encourage more growth. In face to face situations I just present a brass wall. No thin skin with me - I don't have any skin.