Observations on the Holocaust

Skimmed through the posts here, and some things occur to me:

1. It's easy to look back and judge people, saying "Why didn't they leave?" Some good answers were given to that, so I'll ask another question; "Why haven't we revolted?" From the 90's and Ruby Ridge, Vashon Island, Waco and many other murders and mass slaughters by the Clintons; and many since then as well. Why have we not stood up? And now we have the insanity going on all over the US. We have the outright theft of an election by avowed Communists, and still no revolution. Why? I tried for many years, but even the so called "militias" would not act back when just showing up would have been enough. Now I fear it may take much more.

Lesson: we are human and have the same failings as the Jews that stayed did. Many did see what was happening and took action, leaving Germany and Russia. The poor risked death walking overland and sneaking into Israel. The wealthy early on were able to leave, but often becoming poor in the process. My wife's father narrowly escaping Nazi Germany to the UK where he was fortunate to have family who would sponsor him. So many saw, and many left risking all in the process. But many more stayed hoping that at some point it would all blow over. And many of those had no choice. Would you have risked taking a family to freedom if it might mean some or all dieing?

Now, knowing that in oppressive regimes it is likely your family will be killed along with you, and knowing that at Waco USA children were burned or suffocated while armored vehicles blocked their escape, just why haven't you taken a stand against what you see happening today? Maybe some of you in different ways have (other than posting on the internet), but maybe you/we need to do more.

2. It's a movie! So the producers and director did not focus on Jewish spirituality. That does not mean they had no faith. I would posit that, having talked to survivors and studied that time their faith was for the most part very strong. Saying they had no faith because a movie did not say they did is like saying Trump did nothing because CNN said he didn't. Gotta cry 'Bull!' on either statement.

Lesson to learn here is use your head; consider the source. Look into it yourself.

3. Someone touched on the idea of the Jews as a disease, but attributed it all to Communism. Not true. Communists were considered a disease for the same reason as Jews: they were hated and the Nazi's wanted to get rid of them. Not all (or even most) German Jews were Communists. Many eastern European Jews were because they had been raised in a Communist system, and it's all they knew. But many of them hated Communism because they had experienced it. They were primarily killed for being Jews, not Communists.

To understand the idea of people being classed a disease we must understand the root ideology. And it wasn't Nazism, it was (then) modern medicine. Look up the "science" of Eugenics. And this movement was if anything stronger in the US than in Germany. Medical doctors were given the authority to kill infants they thought flawed without consent, covering their crimes with falsified death certificates. "Inferior" or "undesireable" races were sterilized without consent or knowledge, right here in the US of A.

In Germany the first gas chambers were not in concentration camps, but in medical sanitariums. The insane, mentally retarded, and handicapped children were the first victims. And you guessed it, death certificates were falsified and parents notified after the fact. But these "diseases" were being eradicated from German society. Can't have defectives polluting a master race.

From there is was a small step to also classify people who were different as a disease and do what we always try to do with disease: eradicate it. Communists, yes, because they were competitors in the oppressive regime game. Jews and Gypsies because they were different, and we can't trust different people, right? Then finally men and women like Pastor Niemoller and Corrie Ten Boom- good Christians but they stood up against what they saw happening under the Nazi regime. They must be infected, right? Quarintine 'em and maybe kill them when people have forgotten (Pastor Niemoller was killed shortly before liberation).

The point is the first act of wholesale murder by a government is to demonize then classify as something undesirable those it hates, mistrusts, or fears. And support for such classifications often come from sectors we do not expect: medicine, religion (not faith), or those ever so 'tolerant' leftists.

4. Some have said no one wanted them. Mostly true, however some countries did take them on a quota basis. And the Phillipines said they'd take every Jew that could make it there. Long way and a lot of water, but still the offer was made. But by and large, the posters who said that are correct. There was a lot of anti-Semitism in the US at the time, especially in the NE US where most of the political power resided; so to our shame we turned most away.

Point here is we are usually the last refuge for those oppressed. Where will we go when we've lost it here?

It's a different matter in Israel. You can become a Hindu, a Sikh, New Ager...whatever, but become a Christian and you'll lose everything.
You're seen as a traitor. From what I've learned.

I will disagree with you in that I DO NOT believe showing up is enough. Patriots showed up on January 6 but the Deep State turned the whole narrative on its head for THEIR own purposes.

Eventually we will have to fight - and we will - but no one wants to open those floodgates upon the sea of blood beyond. We will probably lose ourselves. We will lose many good things we have in life right now. We will be risking much for only the possibility of truth and liberty in return.

I watched the testimony of a Jewish fellow a few years ago. He was in training to become a rabbi, and came from a family with a long line of rabbis, when he became a Christian. Upon his conversion, he was disinherited by his family and homeless for a while. While homeless, they tried to bribe him with money and a home to disavow Jesus and come back to Judaism.

Skimmed through the posts here, and some things occur to me:

1. It's easy to look back and judge people, saying "Why didn't they leave?" Some good answers were given to that, so I'll ask another question; "Why haven't we revolted?"

2. It's a movie! So the producers and director did not focus on Jewish spirituality. That does not mean they had no faith.

4. Some have said no one wanted them. Mostly true, however some countries did take them on a quota basis. And the Phillipines said they'd take every Jew that could make it there. Long way and a lot of water, but still the offer was made. But by and large, the posters who said that are correct. There was a lot of anti-Semitism in the US at the time, especially in the NE US where most of the political power resided; so to our shame we turned most away.

Point here is we are usually the last refuge for those oppressed. Where will we go when we've lost it here?

We are in a spiritual warfare and the instructions and training are in the NT.

Obviously it is a docudrama trying to depict a variety of responses. Still I would argue that they looked on most of the Rabbis as weak and powerless beginning around 1940. If they Rabbis had spoken to move to Israel and moved prior to 1935 they would not have appeared weak or powerless. My point is that it is your job as a teacher of the word to know what God is doing, and if you explain away a tough speaking and saying to move to Israel is a tough speaking, then you also will become weak and powerless.

Christians have been told that if we are not welcome in this city move to the next and our job is to witness to the whole world and then the end will come.

One thing that is particularly galling is how the Jews continued to work for the Germans even once they knew they were being treated abusively. Once the Germans labeled the Jews with Gold Stars that should have been the red line. Not working for them -- if possible you leave Germany, if not you do what Gandhi taught with passive resistance.

Are you serious? Passive resistance; we're not talking about billions of people and a fairly benign and at least somewhat humane and relatively small occupying force such as Ghandi faced. We are talking about NAZI's! And they wanted to kill all the Jews, not just pacify them. The choice was work or die. Period. Passive resistance ... this is what comes of basing your beliefs, your history, and your preparedness instructions on movies (sorry, docudrama's) and a quick overview of the NT only.

Yes, I'm serious, Gandhi got the strategy from the Bible.

It's not about Ghandi! It is about Jews facing Nazis. Ghandi just had to look hungry and ride on top of the train wearing diapers. Hear this; understand this: had the Jews done that they would have immediately been killed-- *every*last*one*of*them*. They did what they had to in order to survive another day in hopes of liberation. And your idea that they were somehow weak for doing so is ludicrous. Those who did see liberation founded the new nation of Israel with few weapons, outnumbered hundreds to one by well trained and equipped armies which surrounded them. Many of the Israeli "soldiers" were little more than elderly and children fresh off the boat. And to make matters worse their enemies were not just at the borders, they ere among the Jews throughout the land. But they fought and prevailed, not just in that war but in subsequent wars as well- better equipped perhaps, but still massively outnumbered. So Ghandi is irrelevant. And when the enemy is dedicated to eradicating your people passive resistance is a poor strategy. YOU, my friend will be the one marching meekly to your execution with that as a strategy!

They were not massively outnumbered. 11 million walked passively to their death in the camps, Germany had 13 million soldiers, but on top of this there were Jews who fought.

2nd of all you have no idea what you are talking about with Gandhi. You sound like an idiot.

To you I'm sure I do.

11 million Jews, MOSTLY children, women with children, husbands and fathers who did not want to risk their families being shot dead with them, and the elderly. These are the ones you say should have gone up against the best army in the world with, what, their bare hands? Their Peace placards and diapers? An army that was ordered to eradicate them. An army that often thought it sport to kill them. An army that, if you took your head out and actually studied history you'd know was often on methamphetamines as a matter of policy (resulting in their rapid deployments and advances), but also producing an army of men who were paranoid, anxious, angry, had poor judgement (and lots of guns) and a false sense of being (thought way too almost as highly of themselves, or way too much a loss of self worth). Sound like someone you want to mess with?

I think I will take the advice of Samuel Clemens now, "Never try to teach a pig (read that a "fool") to sing ("understand"). You'll waste your time and annoy the pig.

(Leaving, going upwind now ... )