Is the demon allowed by God to oppress the christian in this scripture 1 peter 5:8

"defend" mode.

And I just realized that you weren't the guy that originally responded to me. I thought you were him, trying to change the subject.

It's not easy replying to multiple threads . . . and studying for an exam at the same time . . . especially when you're in your fifties. haha

I hate it when that happens! Lol

Do you know that a demonic being can manipulate a persons thoughts all day ?, just answer yes or no. bofor you decide who glorifies the devil.

i have no idea why you think i would want to glorify the devil, but i would bet its because ive spoke the truth about demonic spirits in this thread, and now a demonic spirit is attacking me through you,

personally i think it is your blindness and others in this thread, that brings glory to the devil.

the devil wants people to be blind and for people like yourself insult people who do the lords work.

The devil also likes othe people to get the blame and he enjoys that glory in that. which is hat your doing to me, blaming me, all you need to is study in this thread. not blame.

1 peter 5:8 is speaking to the whole body of believers, and says to the whole body of beleivers your enemy the devil is making christians undergo sufferings all over the world which will include none stop mind manipulation of a person thoughts all day long which is a very searious and fragile to a persons mental health.

The the term devil in this scripture is refering to more than one devil.
I have herd the word devil used many times to express an evil entity and not necasarily satan or a cherub or fallen angel or a evil spirit, or a human being doing the devils work. in fact scripture says that people who do the work of the devil are of the devil. the word devil is a collective word used by many folk to describe any evil entity, or any person who behaves in a evil manner.
I dont think we should debate who is a devil or not when everyone knows its a collective term for an evil entity who does the work of satan

Ok well i will tell you what 1 peter 5:8 clearly is speaking to the whole body of believers, and it is clearly suggesting many people are suffering, so answer why are many suffering at once.

I will tell you imo,, because all those devils (evil entitys) have been given the power of death by satan who stole the power of death. because the power of death has the ability to make people suffer, so much so that the power of death destroyed the the spirit of all mankind and in 1 peter 5:8 here making people suffer all over the world by many devils, not just one. and all devils haveing the power held by satan. which is the power of death.

Now that is the truth. and if you want to proceed to stay i am glorifying in the devil for that like my last friend here i suggest you think whether your being oppressed to.


I did not steal the power of death satan did, ok, but i do know how to fight the powerof death 24/7 and expose the power of death, see the power of death and help those being deceived by the power of death which satan has control of.

I have said this many times in the many many debates of lack of understanding of this subject , if you want to learn then take part.

I think we should have a discussion about exactly what the power is death is because people here just think you can close the door on its or just ingor it and say a few words to overcome it. when actualy the bible is clear, only a few will stay on the narrow rd. why well because the power of death is always making people fall off, yeah we all get back up and yeah some people might be secure in fiance, but poverty is every where. sickeness diseases sin, death. false worship. idolising deceipt betrayal greed lust lies death . and all of which the devil glorys in. why well because he holds the power of death.

So we have to know this enemy to resist his firey darts daily if that means skeptical debates that drag on and on so be it. but im not going to stick around much longer if none of you want to study and learn ,and resort to none stoplooking for fault in me. or qestion my faith, i have had my faith questioned far to much here, not by you but by many a skeptical crazy nonsence remark.

Your stubbornness on this matter is concerning. You have been shown the plain truth, but you are rejecting it. That tells me you are either dishonest or deceived.

I can show you in scrpture where satan can manipulate matter if you want to see it for your self and sudy it that is, without resorting to callin me disturbing for the behaviour of satan.

satan can minipulate matter, the matter that you can not see to copy and clone anything. he is the great deceiver.

so far inthis thread you have callme disturbing a false teacher. a demonizer,and now your gaining support from other people now thinking the way you as a firect result of your false aligations to me.

To honest i find this your manner disturbing and in considerate as you have ignored several requests to be friends.

ok well dont take part then. your doing well in gaining a fan base in insulting me i have to say. well done think me and you are over as coming to agreement, you have also ignored many many requests to be friendly from me.

You are not alone...people have a mind-set that neither you nor I are going to change. Get used to it, it comes with the territory. Oh well!

Yes it a good scripture and a reminder to us all.

This scripture is also how we need be towards our friends, I know you believe that forgiving beats the enemy all day long. but are you aware why completely, IMO its because the enemy wants you to hold a grudge also, and will even manipulate a persons thoughts all day to unforgive somebody you have allready forgiven,

The more grudges are enemy can store in a person the more the enemy can arouse anger in you then when ever he wants. and when that happens he can get a hold on you more than ever. honestly the enemy will go to work on you all day to get you hold a grudge.

Its best not to harbor a grudge. but the enemy is a master of that, at getting a person to harbour a grudge, especially in a discussion like this. which is i keep requesting we should be try to remain freinds in a discussion like this. but honestly i will say many people here are oppressed and if there not causing a person to harbour a grudge here, there holding a grudge. which why we need to care for each oher here and love each other, because we could cause sombody to harbour a grudge.

The enemy was at hand in the prodical son, the enemy made the prodical son get lost,

now i dont have to hold a grudge against the enemy for that, but also i dont have to forgive the enemy for stealing a child of God do you undertand my meaning in that @Oblio

When I speak about forgiveness, I speak about people.
In my dealings with the enemy, forgiveness doesn't come into it.
I went to a 5-day retreat once. The first 4 days prepared us for the fifth day, the day of deliverance. We first dismantled the house.
I've learned from prior experience that talking about things such as deliverance, curses, tongues, prophecy, the 5-fold, the house of Israel, will get you abused on these forums. Wondering why so few exhibit the love of God.
Being a sensitive person, a worship leader, I get wounded very easily, so, to a great degree, I avoid these subjects.
I try to express that while God has done certain things with me, I'm not sure that He does it the same with everyone. I'm sure someone will have a problem with this statement.
"They won't listen and all they want to do is argue," applies to many. Sigh!
I was a prodigal. After a 4-month search, I found my Father. I met Jesus in '73. I met my Father in '94. He is my destination!
He is awesome!!! In Jesus, He accepts me unconditionally. He loves me. He knows my name.
Anyway, I'm off-topic. Demons are real and every believer should know about them. Shalom.

I can fully relate, but you know, you should really take in to account the view of whether you talk about the enemy or you do not on whetherr it still makes no difference to the way the enemy will still behave.

We can talk about better things all day and always be positive etc and avoid talk about the enemy everyday to avoid not so nice talk. but then if we do that are we turning a blind eye to an enemy that is stealing people everyday.

You also can give everything to God and live a quiet Life, God may have this calling for you to be a priest to be a missionary a preacher or a helper or even a guide for people struggling with demons.

There are many people out there practicing such practices, people have all sorts of practices and beliefs in keeping bad spirits away.

We should not be scared to talking about our experiences or interpretations,

The prodical son is the same as the above 1peter 5:8 in many ways because suffering is what happens after the enemy won in his temptation to seperate the prodical son from his father.

My question would be did the devil or (a devil) in the scripture of the prodical son have permission to cause the seperation between the son and father, and also did the devil in this 1 peter 5:8 have permission to cause suffering to christians.

Do you think if i ask everyone in this topic did the devil have permission to cause human suffering to a christian they might answer ?.

The devil didn't cause the separation of the prodigal from his father. He did that himself, just like I once did the same thing.
It was my own carnal nature, my evil desires, that caused me to turn from my Father.
As far as the enemy having permission to harass a Christian, I believe I answered that with the scripture I posted.
The Lord works all things together for the good of those who love Him and are called according to His purpose, which I believe is ultimately to conform us to His image.
If you ask the posters on this thread a question, you'd get many different answers. I've found that these forums serve as a hang-out place and little more. Unless you like arguing. Humility, teachability, and transparency are in short supply. The body is immature.
I feel like we're getting nowhere here, so see you around.

i dont like arguing ive been away for 3 months, not really i gave you a chance to have a open discussion @Oblio

Ok another study here oblio, i have posted the prodical son, could your read it and see how many times you can identify possible temptation from the devil going on in each sentence.

please also bare in mind the scripture that says the lord are God does not tempt no man.


James 1:13
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

Luke 15:11-32
Amplified Bible
The Prodigal Son
11 Then He said, “A certain man had two sons. 12 The younger of them [inappropriately] said to his father, ‘Father, give me the share of the property that falls to me.’ So he divided the estate between them. 13 A few days later, the younger son gathered together everything [that he had] and traveled to a distant country, and there he wasted his fortune in reckless and immoral living. 14 Now when he had spent everything, a severe famine occurred in that country, and he began to do without and be in need. 15 So he went and forced himself on one of the citizens of that country, who sent him into his fields to [a]feed pigs. 16 He would have gladly eaten the [carob] pods that the pigs were eating [but they could not satisfy his hunger], and no one was giving anything to him. 17 But when he [finally] came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired men have more than enough food, while I am dying here of hunger! 18 I will get up and go to my father, and I will say to him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight. 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son; [just] treat me like one of your hired men.”’ 20 So he got up and came to his father. But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was moved with compassion for him, and ran and embraced him and kissed him. 21 And the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight; I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’ 22 But the father said to his servants, ‘Quickly bring out the best robe [for the guest of honor] and put it on him; and give him a [b]ring for his hand, and sandals for his feet. 23 And bring the fattened calf and slaughter it, and let us [invite everyone and] feast and celebrate; 24 for this son of mine was [as good as] dead and is alive again; he was lost and has been found.’ So they began to celebrate.

25 “Now his older son was in the field; and when he returned and approached the house, he heard music and dancing. 26 So he summoned one of the servants and began asking what this [celebration] meant. 27 And he said to him, ‘Your brother has come, and your father has killed the fattened calf because he has received him back safe and sound.’ 28 But the elder brother became angry and deeply resentful and was not willing to go in; and his father came out and began pleading with him. 29 But he said to his father, ‘Look! These many years I have served you, and I have never neglected or disobeyed your command. Yet you have never given me [so much as] a young goat, so that I might celebrate with my friends; 30 but when this [other] son of yours arrived, who has devoured your estate with immoral women, you slaughtered that fattened calf for him!’ 31 The father said to him, ‘Son, you are always with me, and all that is mine is yours. 32 But it was fitting to celebrate and rejoice, for this brother of yours was [as good as] dead and has begun to live. He was lost and has been found.’”

Yes. I'd appreciate seeing how Satan can create anything.

Nice try. I told you that I respect you as a person, but I don't respect your teachings. I think that your teachings are disturbing. I said that you were demonizing Peter. But if you want to play this game . . . I really don't care. You can do this to me all day long; it bothers me none. But when you add to Scripture, thus leading people astray . . . that's a whole different ballgame and I won't' tolerate it.

I haven't insulted you at all, and I haven't ignored your requests to be friendly. Rather, I have simply shown you the truth, which you have consistently ignored.

This is a public discussion forum. You are free to express your opinions and views (within Site rules), no matter how thoroughly they are refuted by Scripture. I, in turn, am free to post the truth of Scripture, no matter how much you want to avoid it and slander those who present it to you.

An honest man, when presented with proof that he is wrong, either stops being wrong, or stops being honest. Which are you going to choose?

This is all I see...your opinions and what you have to say and no Scriptural origin. You're just repeating yourself rather than using Scripture to justify your opinions. I'm not interested in what you have to say; I am interested in what Scripture says.
I invite you to return with Biblical references if you'd like to have a conversation here in the "Biblical discussion forum".