Interpreting the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus: It's Really Good News!

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That is flat out wrong.
Rev 21
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death..
Yes and the scriptures compare the lake of fire to Gods' presence. Compare,

And I saw the dead,small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: andanother book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Rev.20:12

A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened. Dan.7:10

Lof is a separate place built or prepared for the devil and his angels.

Rev 19
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Yes. Now compare this with,

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 2Thes.2:8

The lake of fire is compared to the Spirit of his mouth,

Is not my word likeas a fire? saith the LORD Jer.2:3:29

And the brightness of his presence,

Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fireshall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him. Psa.50:3

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them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

They are NOT burned up in Gods presence but cast into a place APART from His presence.
All will be judged at the judgement seat of Christ. Death and hell (the abode of the dead) are destroyed by him,

For our God is a consuming fire. Heb.12:29
 
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In Romans 6:23, "death" can be defined as eternal separation from God.
Death, in the Bible, means separation.
Yes, separation from the realm of existence - they cease to exist.
Physical death is separation of the soul and spirit from the body.
No, physical death is separation of the Spirit from the Body, which leaves the Soul - which according to Genesis 2:7 KJV comes into existence and exists only as a consequence of the union of the Body and the Breath of Life - ceases to exist.
Spiritual death is separation of the soul and spirit from God's Spirit.
No, spiritual death of the Soul is what the lost experience presently in the here and now, according to 1 Timothy 5:6 KJV: "But she that liveth in pleasure IS DEAD (present tense) while she liveth".

The literal death of the Soul happens in the future Lake of Fire when it it cast bodily in the flames and burns up and out of existence. "The Soul that sinneth SHALL DIE" (future tense).
 
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tele-person is temporarily **ignored** because i want to have an actual conversation right now with someone who is not anathema.
we have 50 pages of text here rejecting his arguments as clearly blasphemous; it is the consensus of all the elders on CC - moreover it's clear to me he only loves to argue, and such people are to be marked & avoided.


as i do not like to ignore anyone on principle, i will un-ignore him next weekend.
Oh, so consensus is how we determine what is truth? You sound like the true spiritually immature papist you are. This is a Protestant site where religious freedom is practiced and there's no such thing as "heresy". Maybe you ought to read Paul's instructions which say we are to "despise not prophesyings" but prove all things and hold fast to that which is good.
 
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It is definitely in the holy scriptures.

See Revelation 20:10, 15, Matthew 13:41-42, Matthew 13:49-50, Matthew 25:41,46.
https://zondervanacademic.com/blog/is-the-trinity-in-the-bible
"...His response is echoed fifteen hundred years later in B. B. Warfield’s comments on the same subject. Writing the “Trinity” entry in the 1915 International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, Warfield freely admitted that “the term ‘Trinity’ is not a biblical term”—a rather cheeky opening line for the “Trinity entry” in a Bible encyclopedia.
But Warfield laid out the range of doctrinal commitments contained in fully elaborated Trinitarianism (one God in three persons who are co-equal but distinct) and said that the terms of that doctrine were not set forth in the words of Scripture..."

Hear the truth and be touched by fire. Refined gold or garbage in Gehenna. Right within your verses.
Matt 13:43Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

No, my doctrines do not contradict the scriptures.

I have explained it in other threads. I know that if you have a heart that wants to know the truth, you will look at what I have written in those threads and will also see the truth.
Shema?!?
We are told to reason through our sins. You are asking to have faith in your fables.

The Pharisees thought so, too, and picked up stones to stone Jesus when He made His claim in John 8:58 (see John 8:59, John 10:31-33)

The verses in question say that we have one Lord (Ephesians 4:5); even the Father (Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21, 2 Corinthians 6:17-18).
Listening to a bunch of shrieking primitives wanting to kill Jesus, on which you base your doctrine? What do the more genteel hypocrites who want to murder Jesus have to say?
Matt 26:63But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.

What was Jesus saying?
Daniel 7:13I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
14And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
He is the Messiah.

Read one line down before you suppose. What is your logic? Are you one of those bunch folks?
Eph 4:6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

You cannot confess that Jesus is the Lord in light of that information, you do not have the Holy Ghost (1 Corinthians 12:3 (kjv))...

And therefore you do not belong to Christ (Romans 8:9)

What has God and Jesus said that I have contradicted with every utterance? I am merely attempting to teach you what the Bible teaches; and I don't think that God contradicts His own word.

No, actually, I hope that we can continue this conversation.
What you teach is not of the Scriptures. It is plain to any logical mind bound by truth. Your discernment needs to have wisdom or it is just vapid opinion.

Sure but I am going to keep track how many times you repeat yourself. When it becomes too tedious ...
 

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That's false. The only thing Irenaeus said is immortal is the breath of life
ahem:

" . . But this event ((mortality)) happens neither to the soul, for it is the breath of life . ."
your soul is a word spoken by Christ, the Word by whom all things which are created, were created
as such it is His breath, being composed of it in substance, and being it in essence.

may it be a song, and not a rebuke
 

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This post with posthuman #190 ( continuation from above concerning spiritual and supernatural)
on that note don't leave out post #197
after searching out your reference to me, i saw that i had been misunderstood & apparently lost track of time to ever go back and finish the convo
but in #197 i tried to address the misunderstanding and give more explanation of what i was saying, that you referred to in #190
 

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Yes, separation from the realm of existence - they cease to exist.
No, physical death is separation of the Spirit from the Body, which leaves the Soul - which according to Genesis 2:7 KJV comes into existence and exists only as a consequence of the union of the Body and the Breath of Life - ceases to exist.
No, spiritual death of the Soul is what the lost experience presently in the here and now, according to 1 Timothy 5:6 KJV: "But she that liveth in pleasure IS DEAD (present tense) while she liveth".

The literal death of the Soul happens in the future Lake of Fire when it it cast bodily in the flames and burns up and out of existence. "The Soul that sinneth SHALL DIE" (future tense).
Let me ask you, when the Lord physically died on the cross, His spirit returned to God and His body placed in a tomb. What happened to His soul? Did the Lord cease to exist for three days?
 

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Again, I would like to reiterate this. Eternal punishing, as you’re describing, would be never needing. As you’re surely aware of belt now, there are many verses that say the wicked are destroyed, perish, and are put to death. This is the correct teaching and this is what I actively preach st every opportunity I get.
And friend Brother in Christ, they all speak of Physical death.
 

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You would do well to break your lengthy post’s into bite-sized chunks. I write for magazines and gather regularly with seasons authors and academics that decry long paragraphs as, “Unreadable by the general public.”

The recommended length is 7-8 lines in a paragraph to make it more digestible to your reading audience.
Hi Brother Friend, they are quotes to check context of quotes on the topics at hand.
 

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I think a deeper study of the writings of Irenaeus is necessary to put his ideas in the correct perspective. Here is a quote and link to a study that does just that:

Among the many church fathers the annihilationists mistakenly claim for themselves, we find not only Athanasius, but his biggest influence, Irenaeus of Lyons. This is largely due to the presence of words central to the annihilationist doctrine which are also present throughout Irenaeus’ writings. For instance, given that Irenaeus states that “those who, in this brief temporal life, have shown themselves ungrateful to Him who bestowed it, shall justly not receive from Him length of days for ever and ever,”2 annihilationists believe he is denying that the wicked will exist eternally.

This coupled with the fact that Irenaeus repeatedly stresses that immortality is conferred upon the righteous provides the annihilationists with a case that is superficially impressive. Yet a comprehensive reading of Irenaeus demonstrates that his understanding of immortality is much different than that of the annihilationists. What is more, a proper understanding of Irenaeus in his historical context reveals that his theological opponents, the Gnostics, were the ones who actually embraced a form of annihilationism that is very similar to that of present day annihilationists.

http://www.biblicaltrinitarian.com/2018/09/irenaeus-vs-annihilationists.html
Thanks for the link
 

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  • Chapter XXXIV. - Souls Can Be Recognised in the Separate State, and are Immortal Although They Once Had a Beginning.
1. The Lord has taught with very great fulness, that souls not only continue to exist, not by passing from body to body, but that they preserve the same form [in their separate state] as the body had to which they were adapted, and that they remember the deeds which they did in this state of existence, and from which they have now ceased,-in that narrative which is recorded respecting the rich man and that Lazarus who found repose in the bosom of Abraham. In this account He states that Dives knew Lazarus after death, and Abraham in like manner, and that each one of these persons continued in his own proper position, and that [Dives] requested Lazarus to be sent to relieve him-[Lazarus], on whom he did not [formerly] bestow even the crumbs [which fell] from his table. [He tells us] also of the answer given by Abraham, who was acquainted not only with what respected himself, but Dives also, and who enjoined those who did not wish to come into that place of torment to believe Moses and the prophets, and to receive the preaching of Him who was to rise again from the dead. By these things, then, it is plainly declared that souls continue to exist that they do not pass from body to body, that they possess the form of a man, so that they may be recognised, and retain the memory of things in this world; moreover, that the gift of prophecy was possessed by Abraham, and that each class of souls] receives a habitation such as it has deserved, even before the judgment.
2. But if any persons at this point maintain that those souls, which only began a little while ago to exist, cannot endure for any length of time; but that they must, on the one hand, either be unborn, in order that they may be immortal, or if they have had a beginning in the way of generation, that they should die with the body itself-let them learn that God alone, who is Lord of all, is without beginning and without end, being truly and for ever the same, and always remaining the same unchangeable Being. But all things which proceed from Him, whatsoever have been made, and are made, do indeed receive their own beginning of generation, and on this account are inferior to Him who formed them, inasmuch as they are not unbegotten. Nevertheless they endure, and extend their existence into a long series of ages in accordance with the will of God their Creator; so that He grants them that they should be thus formed at the beginning, and that they should so exist afterwards.
3. For as the heaven which is above us, the firmament, the sun, the moon, the rest of the stars, and all their grandeur, although they had no previous existence, were called into being, and continue throughout a long course of time according to the will of God, so also any one who thinks thus respecting souls and spirits, and, in fact, respecting all created things, will not by any means go far astray, inasmuch as all things that have been made had a beginning when they were formed, but endure as long as God wills that they should have an existence and continuance. The prophetic Spirit bears testimony to these opinions, when He declares, "For He spake, and they were made; He commanded, and they were created: He hath established them for ever, yea, forever and ever." And again, He thus speaks respecting the salvation of man: "He asked life of Thee, and Thou gavest him length of days for ever and ever; " indicating that it is the Father of all who imparts continuance for ever and ever on those who are saved. For life does not arise from us, nor from our own nature; but it is bestowed according to the grace of God. And therefore he who shall preserve the life bestowed upon him, and give thanks to Him who imparted it, shall receive also length of days for ever and ever. But he who shall reject it, and prove himself ungrateful to his Maker, inasmuch as he has been created, and has not recognised Him who bestowed [the gift upon him], deprives himself of [the privilege of] continuance for ever and ever. And, for this reason, the Lord declared to those who showed themselves ungrateful towards Him: "If ye have not been faithful in that which is little, who will give you that which is great? " indicating that those who, in this brief temporal life, have shown themselves ungrateful to Him who bestowed it, shall justly not receive from Him length of days for ever and ever.
4. But as the animal body is certainly not itself the soul, yet has fellowship with the soul as long as God pleases; so the soul herself is not life, but partakes in that life bestowed upon her by God. Wherefore also the prophetic word declares of the first-formed man, "He became a living soul," teaching us that by the participation of life the soul became alive; so that the soul, and the life which it possesses, must be understood as being separate existences. When God therefore bestows life and perpetual duration, it comes to pass that even souls which did not previously exist should henceforth endure [for ever], since God has both willed that they should exist, and should continue in existence. For the will of God ought to govern and rule in all things, while all other things give way to Him, are in subjection, and devoted to His service. Thus far, then, let me speak concerning the creation and the continued duration of the soul.
ok i have read this several times, then walked away and done some sewing, then came back and read it through a few more times.
i have some takeaways:

  • Irenaeus without dispute takes the narrative in Luke 16 to be literally describing the true nature of reality. he does not believe Christ is teaching doctrines of demons or lying or using false pagan mythos to teach. Irenaeus says Christ our Lord "has taught with great fulness" that phone-person's OP blasphemy is absolutely false, heretical doctrine.
    • Irenaeus believes Jesus Christ explicitly teaches the continued existence and awareness of the soul after the death of the mortal body
    • Irenaeus believes scripture clearly teaches the immortality of the soul
  • he goes on in 2 to cut off any argument about 'only God hath immortality' by two counterarguments: first that the glory of God is not diminished by creating something immortal, because that thing having a beginning is forever less than God who has no beginning nor end. second that it is God's will they exist forever after their creation & this is how He created them in the beginning. only God possesses immortality, amen - and it is God who wills to confer it on His creation
  • in 3 he describes how the nature of creation itself according to its description in scripture teaches the arguments he gave in 2, and then speaks about salvation being an eternal gift also which has a beginning. it's from here that @Runningman provided a quote ((i presume from an article, not from Irenaeus directly))
    • the context of that quote undermines the annihilationist's use of it - he speaks of the preservation of the gift of life when he says 'the continuance of it' not of existence. he is not teaching annihilation of the soul in the chapter he called 'souls.. are immortal' lol
  • in 4 explicitly, citing Genesis 2:7, he makes a distinction between the soul and the continuation of life --
    • "the soul, and the life which it possesses, must be understood as being separate existences"
  • this he puts in order to close out the argument he makes in 3 concerning salvation - that though those who despise Christ will not continue forever in life, that does not make the soul cease to exist. it makes the soul cease to live and the soul exists eternally whether it is a soul continuing in life or a soul whose life has been taken from it.

 

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ok i have read this several times, then walked away and done some sewing, then came back and read it through a few more times.
i have some takeaways:

  • Irenaeus without dispute takes the narrative in Luke 16 to be literally describing the true nature of reality. he does not believe Christ is teaching doctrines of demons or lying or using false pagan mythos to teach. Irenaeus says Christ our Lord "has taught with great fulness" that phone-person's OP blasphemy is absolutely false, heretical doctrine.
    • Irenaeus believes Jesus Christ explicitly teaches the continued existence and awareness of the soul after the death of the mortal body
    • Irenaeus believes scripture clearly teaches the immortality of the soul
  • he goes on in 2 to cut off any argument about 'only God hath immortality' by two counterarguments: first that the glory of God is not diminished by creating something immortal, because that thing having a beginning is forever less than God who has no beginning nor end. second that it is God's will they exist forever after their creation & this is how He created them in the beginning. only God possesses immortality, amen - and it is God who wills to confer it on His creation
  • in 3 he describes how the nature of creation itself according to its description in scripture teaches the arguments he gave in 2, and then speaks about salvation being an eternal gift also which has a beginning. it's from here that @Runningman provided a quote ((i presume from an article, not from Irenaeus directly))
    • the context of that quote undermines the annihilationist's use of it - he speaks of the preservation of the gift of life when he says 'the continuance of it' not of existence. he is not teaching annihilation of the soul in the chapter he called 'souls.. are immortal' lol
  • in 4 explicitly, citing Genesis 2:7, he makes a distinction between the soul and the continuation of life --
    • "the soul, and the life which it possesses, must be understood as being separate existences"
  • this he puts in order to close out the argument he makes in 3 concerning salvation - that though those who despise Christ will not continue forever in life, that does not make the soul cease to exist. it makes the soul cease to live and the soul exists eternally whether it is a soul continuing in life or a soul whose life has been taken from it.
@Runningman


it's interesting to go back a paragraph to the end of his chapter XXXIII. there, he is debunking the heresy of reincarnation ((which is why ch. XXXIV mentions at the beginning the ridiculous notion of the soul passing from body to body)). in doing so he makes some very salient points; here is the last paragraph of that; let's read it together also:


5. If, therefore, the soul remembers nothing of what took place in a former state of existence, but has a perception of those things which are here, it follows that she never existed in other bodies, nor did things of which she has no knowledge, nor [once] knew things which she cannot [now mentally] contemplate. But, as each one of us receives his body through the skilful working of God, so does he also possess his soul. For God is not so poor or destitute in resources, that He cannot confer its own proper soul on each individual body, even as He gives it also its special character. And therefore, when the number [fixed upon] is completed, [that number] which He had predetermined in His own counsel, all those who have been enrolled for life [eternal] shah rise again, having their own bodies, and having also their own souls, and their own spirits, in which they had pleased God. Those, on the other hand, who are worthy of punishment, shall go away into it, they too having their own souls and their own bodies, in which they stood apart from the grace of God. Both classes shall then cease from any longer begetting and being begotten, from marrying and being given in marriage; so that the number of mankind, corresponding to the fore-ordination of God, being completed, may fully realize the scheme formed by the Father.
this is how he closes out his argument against the heresy of reincarnation: he flatly states that those who are worthy of punishment, go into it, both their souls and their bodies.
and the next topic he takes up is attesting that the soul is immortal, though 'immortal' doesn't mean 'having no beginning' and is not equivalent to 'having eternal life' -- the soul can exist forever in a state separated from life.
 

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Solomon was nuts when he wrote ecc. Isaiah 14 shows those in the grave sleep like we do and are aware of their surroundings. The people under the throne in rev shows they are awake and aware.
Bro, for a moment I thought you were serious LOLOL[/QUOTE]

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THAT IS THE MIND WHICH PRODUCED THE BOOK OF ECCLESIASTES!

Solomon himself was no longer obeying God when he wrote this book. He knew what was right, but he himself wasn't putting into practice the things he knew were right. And he knew that God was angry with him."

https://www.franknelte.net/article.php?article_id=157

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As you know ... after becoming wealthy and successful and sensual ... Solomon fell into sin! He backslid on God!
I believe Ecclesiastes probably records his laments and sorrows and vanities ... having lived in sin for so long!"


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But it just appears to me that these are the words of an old sorrowful man who backslid from God ... and is sorry for what he's done!

...

Oh, one more quick point that illustrates a change of heart on Solomon's part. In his backslidden life he had many wives and girlfriends. "And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart." 1st Kings 11:3

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Here's a sad verse: "For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites." 1 Kings 11:5
Solomon had backslidden!"


http://drmikebagwell.org/Web Pages/Old Testament/Ecclesiastes, The Book.html
 

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Let me ask you, when the Lord physically died on the cross, His spirit returned to God and His body placed in a tomb. What happened to His soul? Did the Lord cease to exist for three days?
Jesus went to preach to spirits in Prision.


1 Peter 3:19

King James Version



19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

1 Peter 4:6
King James Version
6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

One of these texts is used as proof
 

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Jesus went to preach to spirits in Prision.


1 Peter 3:19

King James Version



19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

1 Peter 4:6
King James Version
6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

One of these texts is used as proof
Yes, you and I know this but I was wondering how 777 would respond.

Acts 2:
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
 
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ok i have read this several times, then walked away and done some sewing, then came back and read it through a few more times.
i have some takeaways:

  • Irenaeus without dispute takes the narrative in Luke 16 to be literally describing the true nature of reality. he does not believe Christ is teaching doctrines of demons or lying or using false pagan mythos to teach. Irenaeus says Christ our Lord "has taught with great fulness" that phone-person's OP blasphemy is absolutely false, heretical doctrine.
    • Irenaeus believes Jesus Christ explicitly teaches the continued existence and awareness of the soul after the death of the mortal body
    • Irenaeus believes scripture clearly teaches the immortality of the soul
  • he goes on in 2 to cut off any argument about 'only God hath immortality' by two counterarguments: first that the glory of God is not diminished by creating something immortal, because that thing having a beginning is forever less than God who has no beginning nor end. second that it is God's will they exist forever after their creation & this is how He created them in the beginning. only God possesses immortality, amen - and it is God who wills to confer it on His creation
  • in 3 he describes how the nature of creation itself according to its description in scripture teaches the arguments he gave in 2, and then speaks about salvation being an eternal gift also which has a beginning. it's from here that @Runningman provided a quote ((i presume from an article, not from Irenaeus directly))
    • the context of that quote undermines the annihilationist's use of it - he speaks of the preservation of the gift of life when he says 'the continuance of it' not of existence. he is not teaching annihilation of the soul in the chapter he called 'souls.. are immortal' lol
  • in 4 explicitly, citing Genesis 2:7, he makes a distinction between the soul and the continuation of life --
    • "the soul, and the life which it possesses, must be understood as being separate existences"
  • this he puts in order to close out the argument he makes in 3 concerning salvation - that though those who despise Christ will not continue forever in life, that does not make the soul cease to exist. it makes the soul cease to live and the soul exists eternally whether it is a soul continuing in life or a soul whose life has been taken from it.
That's interesting, but I think you're misrepresenting Irenaeus regardless of what you think he said or was able to deduce from his writings.

Irenaeus self-identified as a conditionalist, though I don't think the doctrine was known by that at the time, it was just known as sound Biblical doctrine (hence why he wrote a book called Against Heresies containing what people in the present day believe in heresy).

Some people even go as far as labeling Irenaeus as a universalist, but I personally disagree with that.

In summary, Irenaeus believed that the soul does not die with the body, those who reject Christ do not live forever, and those in hell die when God is ready for them to die. I can start popping off a couple dozen verses to support this, too.

There are a lot of articles on his writings, which identify him as a conditionalist (some people call these people annihilationists) because that's what he wrote about though he meandered a lot in his writings.

As you correctly pointed out, Irenaeus is not far removed from the Apostle John himself. Irenaeus learned under Polycarp and Polycarp learned under John, and John learned under Jesus Christ. If that doesn't add some heavy weight to the doctrine of conditional immortality then I don't know what does, but I contend that it's 100% Biblical. Polycarp was a conditionalist, too, in full agreement with Irenaeus.

Just examining a handful of writings and proofs, conditional immortality (God decides who gets immortality based off of their response to the gospel and their following of Christ and after what period of time the soul is destroyed in hell) is Biblical.
 

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It should be clear that there is everlasting punishment awaiting the unredeemed sinner in the form of everlasting fire where there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

(Matthew 25:46; Matthew 25:41; Matthew 13:41-42, Matthew 13:49-50).