Do demons have the authority Of God to oppress christians
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the war the battle is untill the end for every person and you would do well to remember that.
For the simple reason that if you believe that the war is completely won then your Guard is likely to be dropped, and we are informed not to drop our guard against the adversary.
Jesus Christ won the war against Satan so every new living person that comes into existence may have a chance, but every new living person still has to fight that war with the help of Jesus of course. So you seem to be taking the notion that all demons and all evil spirits have been destroyed that they are not here on this earth is that correct.
For the simple reason that if you believe that the war is completely won then your Guard is likely to be dropped, and we are informed not to drop our guard against the adversary.
Jesus Christ won the war against Satan so every new living person that comes into existence may have a chance, but every new living person still has to fight that war with the help of Jesus of course. So you seem to be taking the notion that all demons and all evil spirits have been destroyed that they are not here on this earth is that correct.
and the cost is what exactly ? to be harassed and pursued by evil spirits, the same evil spirits that rebelled against God, came down to earth and created an offspring called the nephilim that now harass and cause people to fall out with God,
And by the looks of things portraying the wrong good to in deceiving people all over the world people.
So this is the cost for the Christian who sins to be harassed and punished by these types of spiritual being is it.
I'm not so sure I think you should think twice about your idea here that this is quite possibly the cost you know.
As I've already said you know I mean I don't think we should fall out over this matter personally.
I personally believe the idea that these types of evil spirits can pursue Christians or punish Christians or harass Christians or condemn Christians or you know whatever, I think that this type of notion of idea comes from people trying to peace out and work out why these creatures are still here on this planet and at the same time make it acceptable in the line of thinking of what God might believe.
What ultimately some people are trying to work out is what God might believe. on the assumption and on the basis that the description they are trying to work out is actually a wrong portrayal of God by a demon.
And by the looks of things portraying the wrong good to in deceiving people all over the world people.
So this is the cost for the Christian who sins to be harassed and punished by these types of spiritual being is it.
I'm not so sure I think you should think twice about your idea here that this is quite possibly the cost you know.
As I've already said you know I mean I don't think we should fall out over this matter personally.
I personally believe the idea that these types of evil spirits can pursue Christians or punish Christians or harass Christians or condemn Christians or you know whatever, I think that this type of notion of idea comes from people trying to peace out and work out why these creatures are still here on this planet and at the same time make it acceptable in the line of thinking of what God might believe.
What ultimately some people are trying to work out is what God might believe. on the assumption and on the basis that the description they are trying to work out is actually a wrong portrayal of God by a demon.
Yes, there are Biblical examples of that. Paul had a messenger of Satan buffeting him. Buffet means “to rap with the fist.” I guess that means the messenger of Satan, a literal demon, was oppressing Paul.
2 Cor. 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
God knew exactly what was going on of course and Paul begged repeatedly for God to cause the demonic oppression to end.
2 Cor. 12:8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
2 Cor. 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
What I believe we can gather for this is that God allows demonic oppression for specific purposes. In Paul’s case, he was almost “exalted above measure” meaning Paul was probably almost a perfect man, but God wanted to keep Paul humble since God’s power is perfected in weaknesses. Perfect people do not have weaknesses, so it was better for Paul’s soul to not be perfect and then fall into the sin of pride as a result.
God sees the bigger picture and isn’t afraid to allow us to endure a bit hardships and oppression if our state of being is better off in the long run as a result.
2 Cor. 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
God knew exactly what was going on of course and Paul begged repeatedly for God to cause the demonic oppression to end.
2 Cor. 12:8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
2 Cor. 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
What I believe we can gather for this is that God allows demonic oppression for specific purposes. In Paul’s case, he was almost “exalted above measure” meaning Paul was probably almost a perfect man, but God wanted to keep Paul humble since God’s power is perfected in weaknesses. Perfect people do not have weaknesses, so it was better for Paul’s soul to not be perfect and then fall into the sin of pride as a result.
God sees the bigger picture and isn’t afraid to allow us to endure a bit hardships and oppression if our state of being is better off in the long run as a result.
A big Fat NO to That Statement ---and I don't know here you got that from my post -------God allows Satan to invade our thoughts to try and keep us from Worshiping God -------
Adam handed the keys to reign over this world to Satan when he took Satan's bait to eat the fruit -----Satan is still the god ---prince of this world and will be till Jesus comes back to defeat him for good ---but for True Christians who Receive Jesus they have an escape ------Scripture says ----Submit to God and the devil will flee from you ---
unbelievers are away from God so they have no escape ---Satan blinds their minds to the truth of Scripture ------we are never to worship Satan -------
2 Corinthians 4:4
New Living Translation
4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.
Yes i know the scripture
2 Corinthians 12:6-7
6 Even if I should choose to boast, I would not be a fool, because I would be speaking the truth. But I refrain, so no one will think more of me than is warranted by what I do or say, 7 or because of these surpassingly great revelations. Therefore, in order to keep me from becoming conceited, I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me.
Do we truly know here that, whether paul was just repeating the words of what the demon was saying to him here, because he was always making a diary of his thoughts. there is no follow on from this scripture of paul, there is no mention of the tormenting comments or any detail
Do we truly know that thees thoughts written here are the thoughts of paul or the thoughts of a demon.
The reason i suggest this, there is clear biblical evidence to suggest when a person suspects they have a demon, the demon gives a deceiving excuse for its presence.
this is one passage where this happens
Proverbs 16:27-29
Living Bible
27 Idle hands are the devil’s workshop; idle lips are his mouthpiece.[a]
28 An evil man sows strife; gossip separates the best of friends.
29 Wickedness loves company—and leads others into sin.[b]
The sin is the wrong God is being potrayed by the devil and causing paul to believe God has sent the demon.
I can pull up many more scripture where this has happend, where a demon has portayed the wrong God.
at least a 100 sciptures or so.
2 Corinthians 12:6-7
6 Even if I should choose to boast, I would not be a fool, because I would be speaking the truth. But I refrain, so no one will think more of me than is warranted by what I do or say, 7 or because of these surpassingly great revelations. Therefore, in order to keep me from becoming conceited, I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me.
Do we truly know here that, whether paul was just repeating the words of what the demon was saying to him here, because he was always making a diary of his thoughts. there is no follow on from this scripture of paul, there is no mention of the tormenting comments or any detail
Do we truly know that thees thoughts written here are the thoughts of paul or the thoughts of a demon.
The reason i suggest this, there is clear biblical evidence to suggest when a person suspects they have a demon, the demon gives a deceiving excuse for its presence.
this is one passage where this happens
Proverbs 16:27-29
Living Bible
27 Idle hands are the devil’s workshop; idle lips are his mouthpiece.[a]
28 An evil man sows strife; gossip separates the best of friends.
29 Wickedness loves company—and leads others into sin.[b]
The sin is the wrong God is being potrayed by the devil and causing paul to believe God has sent the demon.
I can pull up many more scripture where this has happend, where a demon has portayed the wrong God.
at least a 100 sciptures or so.
Hi student may i suggest you read this scripture.
Matthew 4:10
New International Version
10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’[a]”
would you say that this is scripture is the exact oppersite of God allowing satan to rule this world.
And now that you have read this would you now think twice about retracting your view that God allowed satan to be God of this world.
Matthew 4:10
New International Version
10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’[a]”
would you say that this is scripture is the exact oppersite of God allowing satan to rule this world.
And now that you have read this would you now think twice about retracting your view that God allowed satan to be God of this world.
You're welcome to challenge it... bring on the Scripture.
No, it did not.
Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned
Satan is not a demon.
Really? Where is that in Scripture?
You can believe whatever you like, but it does not follow from the evidence.
No, it did not.
Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned
Satan is not a demon.
Really? Where is that in Scripture?
You can believe whatever you like, but it does not follow from the evidence.
Ok read the scripture again it says sin entered into the earth through adam and death through sin.
notice it says and death. who is death.
I will answer your other disagreements one at a time.
May i suggest that when reading a sentence in a bible, you take into account that the first sentence may not be true of the next sentence.
notice it says and death. who is death.
I will answer your other disagreements one at a time.
May i suggest that when reading a sentence in a bible, you take into account that the first sentence may not be true of the next sentence.
That’s a good question: “were these Paul’s thoughts or a demon’s thoughts?”
That might be easier to understand through experience rather than explanation. Do you have the gift of prophecy? If yes then you know it’s a gift that must be honed and the wielder of such gift must live righteously as much as possible.
Paul seems experienced in both sectors of exercising his gift, so I would believe Paul was delivering a message from God sometimes and other times just explaining his experiences in his own words even though God may have told him to explaining it. I don’t think God always told Paul what to say, word for word, but rather provided talking points for Paul to write about.
That might be easier to understand through experience rather than explanation. Do you have the gift of prophecy? If yes then you know it’s a gift that must be honed and the wielder of such gift must live righteously as much as possible.
Paul seems experienced in both sectors of exercising his gift, so I would believe Paul was delivering a message from God sometimes and other times just explaining his experiences in his own words even though God may have told him to explaining it. I don’t think God always told Paul what to say, word for word, but rather provided talking points for Paul to write about.