what are your thoughts of Apostle Kathryn Krick

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soberxp

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The NAR are false. That is horrendous.

The New Apostolic Reformation believe that they will take over the 7 mountains of the world - Politics, education, environment, health, entertainment etc and then when all is peace then they will give is to the Lord when He comes. So utterly blasphemous.
Does it sound good to play politics?
Biblical politics, I think should be like this,
1.China,China,China,our great enemy,we should love China.------------Trump
2.Why we should love our great enemy,cuz the Bible says------------Biden
3.We should not use false testimony to frame China, because it is not allowed in the Bible. Those are fake news------------Trump
 

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I saw this woman on FB and then on Youtube and her deliverance ministry. I am posting this because I see she is part of the church known as 5Fold Church.

I am only wanting a biblical response to please to her teaching and what you see in the videos/ Teaching. If you are just going to say comments that are insulting, please just move on.

Thank you

You asks for thoughts?
Alone the fact, that she calls herself an Apostle of Jesus Christ shows that she is not.
 

Marilyn

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they sound a lot like the the "Dominion" types
That`s right, with new clothes on. That means with new language to explain their bizarre views and behaviour.
 

Marilyn

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Does it sound good to play politics?
Biblical politics, I think should be like this,
1.China,China,China,our great enemy,we should love China.------------Trump
2.Why we should love our great enemy,cuz the Bible says------------Biden
3.We should not use false testimony to frame China, because it is not allowed in the Bible. Those are fake news------------Trump
Not sure what you are asking me.
 

soberxp

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Not sure what you are asking me.
Which is more appropriate to say that you are an apostle of Jesus or a servant of Jesus?
I would say I am servant of Jesus.
cuz if I say I am apostle of Jesus, folks will disagree and dislike me.

I'm looking forward to what their seven mountains will look like in the future.
 

Marilyn

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Which is more appropriate to say that you are an apostle of Jesus or a servant of Jesus?
I would say I am servant of Jesus.
cuz if I say I am apostle of Jesus, folks will disagree and dislike me.

I'm looking forward to what their seven mountains will look like in the future.
They don`t even worry if a `believer` is in charge as long as it is a `worthy` person. Thus guess who they will fall for as this deceiver makes a peace treaty in the Middle East soon.
 

soberxp

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They don`t even worry if a `believer` is in charge as long as it is a `worthy` person. Thus guess who they will fall for as this deceiver makes a peace treaty in the Middle East soon.
Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the sons of God.
 

Marilyn

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Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the sons of God.
And that was spoken to those in Israel for that nation will eventually be the ones to do just that when the Lord rules through them in the millennium.

`Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn more anymore.` (Micah 4: 3)

But the nations shall go up to Jerusalem to learn the ways of the Lord. (Micah 4: 1& 2)
 

soberxp

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And that was spoken to those in Israel for that nation will eventually be the ones to do just that when the Lord rules through them in the millennium.

`Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn more anymore.` (Micah 4: 3)

But the nations shall go up to Jerusalem to learn the ways of the Lord. (Micah 4: 1& 2)
This is not only for the Israelites. Even if it is only for the Israelites, they should seek peace. For whatever reason.
 

Marilyn

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This is not only for the Israelites. Even if it is only for the Israelites, they should seek peace. For whatever reason.
`Do you suppose that I came to give peace on earth? I tell you, not at all, but rather division.` (Luke 12: 51)
 

soberxp

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`Do you suppose that I came to give peace on earth? I tell you, not at all, but rather division.` (Luke 12: 51)
Good question!
This is a declaration of war to the power of death.
As Jesus said:for I come not for peace,but a sword.
Unfortunately, many people misunderstood this sentence and launched the crusade of war.
sinless itself is a declaration of war to the power of death.
sacrifice is the way to defeat the power of death in the world which is An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, a war for a war,a death for a death.

But sinless sacrifice is death for the life, This is the only way to defeat the depths of Satan.Revelation 2:24

Hebrews 2:14
As the children have flesh and blood, so he himself has become flesh and blood, so that by death he will destroy the devil, who has the power of death,
 

Marilyn

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Good question!
This is a declaration of war to the power of death.
As Jesus said:for I come not for peace,but a sword.
Unfortunately, many people misunderstood this sentence and launched the crusade of war.
sinless itself is a declaration of war to the power of death.
sacrifice is the way to defeat the power of death in the world which is An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, a war for a war,a death for a death.

But sinless sacrifice is death for the life, This is the only way to defeat the depths of Satan.Revelation 2:24

Hebrews 2:14
As the children have flesh and blood, so he himself has become flesh and blood, so that by death he will destroy the devil, who has the power of death,
Well said. And also not to expect the world to love us or be at peace with us.

`I have given them your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.` (John 17: 14)
 

soberxp

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Well said. And also not to expect the world to love us or be at peace with us.

`I have given them your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.` (John 17: 14)
If someone hates us, we should love them. That's what God taught us to do.
Luke
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And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
6:32
For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
 
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"A higher plane," hehe
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If she's the "pastor" and calling herself an apostle, I want nothing to do with her.

Because if she is the "pastor" and calling herself an apostle, she is clearly in opposition to the Apostle Paul's writings. I guess she feels she has gotten some superior revelation than he did. I guess she feels she is worthy enough to second guess a man who chose celibacy and martyrdom for the sake of Christ's Gospel.

Sounds like she is very arrogant at the least.
 

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Well said. And also not to expect the world to love us or be at peace with us.

`I have given them your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.` (John 17: 14)
The brother to whom you are speaking is offended by the Empire - British I shouldn't wonder - but Empires in precept and application of the administration of Common Law - giving rise to the rule of law and its practise in colonialism - as these theories have it. The self same difficulty arises within nations between male and female and even within households - between husbands and wives.

The hungry man believes that he has found a feast when he gathers the crumbs from under the table - only to become angry when in his renewed strength he rises and seeing a great feast set before him - he cries out in anger and his strength is once again dissipated. The marriage feast of the Lamb - which in a vision we can see - yet behave as though we were already dressed in readiness when we are neglecting to gather in the guests.
 

Wansvic

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Hi Pilgrim,


“Paul, and Silvanus, and Timothy, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Nor of men sought we glory, neither of you, nor yet of others, when we might have been burdensome, as the apostles of Christ.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭2:6

I think that is straightforward language there. I also think you twist the other scriptures.

So....When the Lord has said by His Holy Spirit that he has given (after His ascension) some to be apostles ...etc there needs to be just that - Apostles .... & other Headship ministries for the equipping of the Body of Christ & edifying of them TILL we come to the unity of the faith.. And we certainly are not there yet. Thus the need for ministries FROM the Head, Christ to build and mature His Body. (Eph. 4: 11 - 16)

Let us not limit the Headship of Christ for His glorious work among us.
I agree that the Thessalonian scriptures makes the point that all three were considered apostles.

I don't, however, see @Pilgrimshope twisting the other scriptures. I also was not convinced that all of the scriptures you referenced pointed specifically to apostles. But that is not actually a problem in establishing whether there were more apostles than just the original 12. We know that correct understanding of concepts requires 2-3 scriptures confirming a belief. As such, Barnabas, Salvanus, and Timothy meet the requirement. Along with what is conveyed in Ephesians as you pointed out.
 

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I agree that the Thessalonian scriptures makes the point that all three were considered apostles.

I don't, however, see @Pilgrimshope twisting the other scriptures. I also was not convinced that all of the scriptures you referenced pointed specifically to apostles. But that is not actually a problem in establishing whether there were more apostles than just the original 12. We know that correct understanding of concepts requires 2-3 scriptures confirming a belief. As such, Barnabas, Salvanus, and Timothy meet the requirement. Along with what is conveyed in Ephesians as you pointed out.
“And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

consider why did Jesus specifically choose 12 ?

“And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭19:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The twelve apostles all were chosen in the same way , all by the risen and glorified Christ appointed to a specific purpose.

“And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven (apostles )gathered together, and them that were with them, ( disciples )

And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:33, 44-48‬ ‭KJV‬

then you have Paul’s witness the only other man to personally see and be chosen by Jesus for e same purpose in the rest of e New Testament

“And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest. But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; ( opened his understanding like thiers )

Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead,

and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭26:15-16, 22-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

for one to be an apostle one would have to be chosen as the other 12 we’re. And then we would have to ask why Jesus only recognizes the 12 men he chose as apostles in his kingdom

I heard some people explaining “ the apostles of Jesus are different than other apostles in the church “ but where is that found anywhere in scripture ?

my belief is there are 12 apostles I think whether someone agrees or not I’ve given legitimate reason why I believe there are 12.

could be there are thousands but I personally don’t see it I think the acts okay though that we sometimes have different thoughts no one can come together in thinking if we don’t allow for differences to be discussed
 

Wansvic

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“And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

consider why did Jesus specifically choose 12 ?

“And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭19:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The twelve apostles all were chosen in the same way , all by the risen and glorified Christ appointed to a specific purpose.

“And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven (apostles )gathered together, and them that were with them, ( disciples )

And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:33, 44-48‬ ‭KJV‬

then you have Paul’s witness the only other man to personally see and be chosen by Jesus for e same purpose in the rest of e New Testament

“And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest. But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; ( opened his understanding like thiers )

Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead,

and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭26:15-16, 22-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

for one to be an apostle one would have to be chosen as the other 12 we’re. And then we would have to ask why Jesus only recognizes the 12 men he chose as apostles in his kingdom

I heard some people explaining “ the apostles of Jesus are different than other apostles in the church “ but where is that found anywhere in scripture ?

my belief is there are 12 apostles I think whether someone agrees or not I’ve given legitimate reason why I believe there are 12.

could be there are thousands but I personally don’t see it I think the acts okay though that we sometimes have different thoughts no one can come together in thinking if we don’t allow for differences to be discussed
I know scripture references the 12 apostles of the lamb in Matthew and Revelation. However, Eph. 4:8-12 states that when Jesus ascended He gave gifts to men. This would seem to confirm that all ministry offices continued for the work of the ministry. I've always seen the 12 apostles as having prominence due to their being the first to carry the message.

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
 

Wansvic

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I saw this woman on FB and then on Youtube and her deliverance ministry. I am posting this because I see she is part of the church known as 5Fold Church.

I am only wanting a biblical response to please to her teaching and what you see in the videos/ Teaching. If you are just going to say comments that are insulting, please just move on.

Thank you

As others noted she neglected to even mention the name of the Lord Jesus. It is in His authority that demons are made to leave.