TONGUES is a precious gift from God

how would you define mental illness? a separation of the mind from what most would consider reality?

I suppose than that the disciple John was mentally ill according to you as he said himself to be in the spirit (on the Lord's day)...see Revelation.

God help John should he have shared with you his vision on that particular day and you would fit in well with those telling those gathered in the upper room on the day of Pentecost that they were drunk

the truth is you are not familiar with the Holy Spirit and suggest that what you do not understand must therefore be either mental illness or as MacArthur suggests, a demonic spirit

you read the Bible and will tell us you believe what is written but how safe for you to say so. the challenge is living what is written therein and you are obviously not up to it and incapable of thinking anyone else is

spiritual reality is not the same as the earthly realm you find yourself in, but denying what you say on one hand you believe and flamboyantly tossing it with the other, can easily be defined as some sort of incapacity for mental continuity. That is, you are not consistent in what you say you believe, whether through fear or actual denial of what you accept in written form, God knows

but you actually do not have any platform from which to point at others when you cannot seemingly figure yourself out

you must be double minded and that person will not receive but thankfully, you do not speak for others

Why do you continue to interject something you are completely unaware about?

A fire raced towards my House [you seen pictures], you think I had to go into a trance within seconds of the fire burning my home down in order to Speak in Tongues and Command the Fire to move?

How long does it take to be in a complete trance?

The Fire burned up my lower, side, top fields + windbreak within 10 minutes.
Is that time to get into a pose and become trance like in order to Speak in Tongues?

You gotta start using Common Sense here, I would hope eventually!

Because I know your intentions and up to this post, nothing of God has been reflected within in them.
You, are more philosophical than spiritual.

I would ask cs1 why he red x'd me, but seeing most of his beliefs are based off an organization bi-laws, rather than the Word of God, makes me delighted he would disagree with me!

LOL, so many false narratives pulled from non-Biblical sources. Did the word of God in the book of Acts mention trance? The only thing we see in context possibly is in a vision. Peter had one about the Gentiles when the Lord told Peter to kill and eat that which he said (Peter) was unclean. Peter and the text say nothing about having memory lapse or a blackout or any kind of created speech.

Where do these self-proclaimed theologians come up with this stuff? Not from the word of God. But that of Gnosticism, post-modernism, and secular humanism. A Whole bunch of Ism's. They bring everything linguist to middle eastern Occult to explain the Holy Spirt, just not the word of God and claim to be Biblical.
Ask as I have many times what is the reason for the gifts of the Holy Spirit? Waiting for a linguist to tell me what speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit is? Why did Jesus say you will receive power ? what was that power for? None of those who are attacking Pentecostals have answered that.

They have no clue.

So why red x me?

I never implied I went into a Trance.

Get Thee behind me Satan!

Christ said we can call no man fools, but He never said anything about calling them STUPID!

And the Sin of PRIDE won't allow cs1 to change that red x either, just watch!

To change it, cs1, would have to admit his error, which are MANY!

feeling come and go, and the question i would like to know is how do you know if the feelings and the spirit is from God?

The devil can speak to us and the demons can impress us with thoughts...

Try the spirits......

Which spirit is from God? our only way of knowing is by testing the spirits and we can only do that by using the bible as the standard.

The churches that hold the bible high as their standard of truth do not speak in tongues. There are many people in these churches that love God and are full of the Spirit of God yet they do no speak in tongues and i see people in some churches claiming they are filled with the spirit because they feel it and speak in tongues as a result, yet they are living a life with habitual sin.

The word is clear on the topic and the honest reader will see that speaking in tongues is a gift for the purpose of spreading the gospel when language barriers are stopping it.

Research the history and the origins of the modern form of tongues and you can see a spirit of confusion.

The devil will deceive the very elect and when Jesus had fasted for 40 days The devil talked to Him quoting scripture to cause Him to sin. The devil will appear as Jesus and talk like he is Jesus so don't think it is always the truth.

We need to test the spirits and know if it is truth or error.

1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

I don't regard your feelings as truth i regard the word of God as truth.

1Co 14:9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
1Co 14:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
1Co 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

The word tongues are from the same Greek word and means languages. acts 2 makes that clear.

Let's let cs1 answer.

I already know what he will say!

that is a false narrative because we are to go by feeling but by faith. How does one know IF the gift used is the Holy Spirit?


The Word of God tells us how. We find it in John chapter 14 through 16 and In Acts 1:8 and in 1cor chapter 12 through 14. The feeling is not even mentioned as a way to discern the Gifts of the Holy Spirit.


Those who are so much focused on the errors of some don't even know from the word of God how to tell if it is an error or what is real. I would love for a linguist to tell me from the word of God how to know if the gifts of tongues and interpretation are real?

That would be something.

I would love for you to tell me where I error'd that you disagree with at?


Why do you continue to interject something you are completely unaware about?

A fire raced towards my House [you seen pictures], you think I had to go into a trance within seconds of the fire burning my home down in order to Speak in Tongues and Command the Fire to move?

How long does it take to be in a complete trance?

The Fire burned up my lower, side, top fields + windbreak within 10 minutes.
Is that time to get into a pose and become trance like in order to Speak in Tongues?

You gotta start using Common Sense here, I would hope eventually!

cs1, Your Authority concerning the Word of God is as equivalent to an expert who sells comic books for a living!

Holy Spirit guidance is as John 16 tells us, He will guide, speak and show.

Guess he refuses to explain his reasoning for disagreeing with my post.

I do feel his immediate post concerning Trance was directed at me, but I have reread my comments several times now and cannot see where I claimed to be in a Trance.

Only God knows why he accuses me of such and chooses not to defend himself.

I am not keeping up. The lost tribe is in my backyard. It is known as woodstock for the lumber hanging aorund.

I guess I should ask, does anyone see where I claimed to be in a Trance before Speaking in Tongues from this post of mine I have quoted?

So I ask you:

"Why don't you answer in a manner that equates to a spiritual truth and not in a manner that tells another believer that they are a sorcerer because they ask a sister what she knows of sorcery. It was that sister @#585 who raised the spectre of sorcery in this thread and so I asked that sister."

And you tell me

Can that really be a proper answer to why anyone can cite another believer as a sorcerer?

Do we believe that the Father will overlook these things? Though I freely forgive you and desire nothing be held against you at all - yet the Father must in the end bear witness to His purposes when He calls and chooses his servants through His only begotten Son the Lord Jesus Christ. How will we escape being chastened even if we run to the ends of the earth crying out in the gifts He has given us so freely and yet at such cost to the shedding of Christ's blood for sin? When we bear witness with such determination to prove the hand of God in the preservation of our home and our outbuildings and our live stock - yet we show contempt for our own brethren - How will we escape when we do such things so easily and escape the rod - and so we miss that we will easily do the same thing again - yet boast in God who is the redeemer of men.

And so you have said you know my intentions because I write philosophy - which you cite as an accusation - and all I have done is to show a reasonable and right mind. If I were to draw the sword brother - I would render the whole man.

You have determined that the most prominent examples, and I emphasize, literally 10 max television examples of Speaking in Tongues are equal to Sorcery. But the way you have presented it, you claim even in the small congregations this also apparent. So, ultimately, you have determined that the majority examples of Speaking in Tongues across the board are equal to Sorcery.

I take personal offense to this.

Secondly, for those of us who know what happens in smaller Church gatherings are nothing like, not even similar, to these mega-church examples. We also understand that You are equating the Gifts of the Holy Spirit equal to the power of Satan's Sorcery.

So, I tell you what, explain to me how you view modern day Speaking in Tongues without using the megachurch examples in a couple sentences, so I can change my understanding of every post you have made within this Thread.

TMS, post: 4751626, member: 217057"]feeling come and go, and the question i would like to know is how do you know if the feelings and the spirit is from God?

The devil can speak to us and the demons can impress us with thoughts...

why are cessationists so quick to acknowledge what the devil can do and so slow to acknowledge what the Holy Spirit does? oh by all means do try the spirits, but do so in fairness and with a heart that is open to hear from God

Try the spirits......

Which spirit is from God? our only way of knowing is by testing the spirits and we can only do that by using the bible as the standard.

you can only do that if your interpretation/understanding is biblical. if a cessationist comes along, that is unlikely to be the case

The churches that hold the bible high as their standard of truth do not speak in tongues. There are many people in these churches that love God and are full of the Spirit of God yet they do no speak in tongues and i see people in some churches claiming they are filled with the spirit because they feel it and speak in tongues as a result, yet they are living a life with habitual sin.

that is easily refutable. cessationists do not own the Bible...they only own their own beliefs which do not line up with scripture. habitual sin is not the lonely habitat of those claiming to be filled with the Spirit/speaking in tongues.

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why does it take worldly newspapers to uncover the hidden sin? God sees it all....don't cover up sin...expose it according to the Bible

there are many many other examples. all denoms have a history of abuse of one nature or another. glossing over the guilt of anyone not Pentecostal or Charismatic, is a petty thing to do and easily exposed for the lie that it is


The word is clear on the topic and the honest reader will see that speaking in tongues is a gift for the purpose of spreading the gospel when language barriers are stopping it.

not true. you cessationists handily ignore or twist what Paul teaches concerning the private use of tongues. you are not fooling anyone...we all can read what is actually taught and not the twisted version cessationists would like to share. the gifts of the Spirit, which would and do include tongues, are given to edify or build up the church (believers). the Holy Spirit is given for power to the believer to testify of Christ. the Holy Spirit is given to empower the believer

Research the history and the origins of the modern form of tongues and you can see a spirit of confusion.

history has been researched many times on this forum and the confusion seems to be in the comprehension of those who deny history and Paul's teaching on the use of tongues

The devil will deceive the very elect and when Jesus had fasted for 40 days The devil talked to Him quoting scripture to cause Him to sin. The devil will appear as Jesus and talk like he is Jesus so don't think it is always the truth.

that is also a spin. the Bible does NOT say the very elect will be deceived. here is the correct wording:

If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it.
For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
Matthew 24:24

We need to test the spirits and know if it is truth or error.

1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

I don't regard your feelings as truth i regard the word of God as truth.

apparently you do not regard passages of scripture that are uncomfortable for you as truth either

I do not take the word of cessationists for the above reasons and a number of others. you twist scripture to attempt to create a different meaning and outright ignore or deny what you should test yourself. perhaps test why you ignore what Paul teaches and also ignore the fact that tongues is actually both a sign and a gift and there are instructions for the private use of tongues....you just simply deny those things or ignore them. you do not do yourself what you tell others to do!

1Co 14:9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
1Co 14:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
1Co 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

again, you are passing over, ignoring and denying what Paul teaches on the use of tongues in private. Paul says DO NOT FORBID THE SPEAKING IN TONGUES....but cessationists do this in order to create a false doctrine.

The word tongues are from the same Greek word and means languages. acts 2 makes that clear.

well it isn't clear. it certainly does not qualify as an explanation for what Paul writes here:

13Therefore, the one who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret. 14For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
15What then shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind. I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my mind.
I Corinthians 14

Paul differentiates between knowing what he is saying and not knowing what he is saying regarding prayer. the fact cessationists wish to dismiss this obvious rebuttal to their insistence that all tongues are known languages, is both alarming and sad