TONGUES is a precious gift from God

No sister I don't feel better at all. I know you mean the expression in a coloquel meaning, but you will simply have to accept that winning is not an ambition. What is there to win? An argument? No sister I am not concerned about winning an argument. God Bless.

Which is why Paul said that even tho he wished we all spoke, he'd rather we not than do it incorrectly

Most Cessationist believe God made 2 types of people, 1 for Heaven and a 2nd for Hell. No Scripture confirms as such, but yet it is still believed. It appears Cessationist make up interpretation based upon personal interest rather than Biblical Scripture. When i meet someone claiming to be Cessationism, it's difficult to take them serious knowing the laundry list of errors within their Doctrine. Which is how I view your post, personal opinion with absolutely no Biblical confirmation or backing!

I think scripture is/should be the guideline in everything we do as Christians. The thing is we have to pray for wisdom/understanding and make sure we have understanding of the scriptures as well. I know from experience that in the past I have took scripture out of context and tried to bear down on it and the Lord come by and let me know I was completely wrong in my understanding.

I also know from experience how difficult it is to watch others get up in themselves and fake the gifts of God. If we look to men, it can become confusing and make us feel like it's not even worth it. That's why scripture instructs us not to look to men or put our faith in men but to look straight to God and put all our faith and trust in Him.

The truth is the Gifts of the Holy Spirit is edifying and a great help. The enemy would love to steal those gifts away if we allow him. That's why he fights so hard and inspires so many to get in themselves and fake it. He uses them to bring a reproach to try to make others lose faith and hope so that they would rather have no part in accepting the true Gifts of the Holy Spirit.

The video posted clearly shows that those men are in themselves and in my opinion, they may be pretty much blaspheming the Gift of the Holy Spirit. The devil is using them like tools and that should be evident to see. You have some people getting swept away by their false spirit. Then others who are willing to completely deny the gifts of the Holy Spirit just because there are some money hungry wolves out there faking it. Either way in that scenario the devil wins. Why some people fall for that...I don't know.

You can believe me, if that type of thing ever took place in a church that I have attended someone would have gotten up, rebuked, and set those two down, or shown them the door.

But as for your question, there are also some who will get up and try to follow along scriptural guidelines and they are actually just as off as Copeland and Browne...just don't appear so foolish. Like I said, the enemy is out to steal and cause confusion and he can make himself to appear as an angel of the light to those who are not trained to discern. This is where it takes the Spirit of God and discernment.

I know from experience on here that some will probably say I shouldn't call the fakers out because it gives the cessationalists ammo.

It's complete opposite, though. The fakers are the actual ammo. They need rebuked and called out. God is not mocked, and we shouldn't uphold fakers for any reason.

They should be rebuked for their own and others good. I've seen many a people get rebuked before by the Holy Spirit and it was for their own good.

We see how Paul dealt with Simon the sorcerer and the woman who followed him around soothsaying. He flatly rebuked them. We need to be strong enough and bold enough in the Lord to do the same.

I think you intended to say Elymas the sorcerer and not Simon - but that apart do you truly intend to mean that your discernment is such that you can condemn a man because he is a cessationist - and refuse that he is a Christian who no less holds to Christ as you do? By what authority do you make such claims?

And you say by your experience on this forum that some will probably say that you shouldn't call the fakers out. Who is a faker that you have called out and signalled for rebuke? By what authority do you rebuke the fakers that you designate as such in the Lord's name?

And lest you imagine that I mistook your meaning you make the connection here in the above comment and agreed to the below comment.

Its all very well and good telling others how great your discernment is and how important it is to rebuke fakers (the Copeland video) and then quietly slip by a callous remark in your agreement as you pass onto that which even the cessationist knows is fake. What do you know of sorcery sister?

You need to work on your reading comprehension. I never condemned any cessationalist or said any such thing as you just posted.

I'm not sure exactly what your problem is but evidently you have one?

And yeah, fakers must be called out by the power and authority of the Lord. Rebuke is sometimes for our own good. You seem to be one who would be hard pressed at taking rebuke, though.

Not me, like I said rebuke is for our own good it shows that God cares about us and is instructing us for our own good.

For real though, you need to slow down and read what others are saying instead of throwing your own imaginary opinions into it.

Seems you're looking to pick a fight/argument with anyone that you can engage with...I don't know why, but I'll go ahead and let you know... I don't want any part of it.

So either, read what I wrote and comment on that and if you don't understand it then ask me about or just keep it to yourself.

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Seems you're the one using imagination. I don't even have any idea what you're talking about now.

So, comment on what I'm saying in my posts, ask me if you don't understand the point I'm making, explain the point you are trying to make to me....or just stop interacting with me if you are just going to come to your own made-up conclusion of what I'm saying.

And now you're mincing your words and coming up with your own alphabet soup.

Take a stand dude.

Either you believe in the true genuine gifts, or you don't.

Seems you want to play both sides of the field. You want to show the fakes...then you don't want to rebuke it and call it out for what it really is.... fake.

So honestly, what's your game here, sir?

You into stirring confusion?

Upholding fake spirits?

Really what kind of game are you trying to play?

Let's get real. There is power in the gifts of the Holy Ghost.

It can and will call the devil right out of his hiding places.

You can believe that!

Of course the disabled can be filled the Holy Spirit 😎

Just that in the different areas I've been in with work and religious experiences, I haven't seen tongues exercised by the biblical examples.

I was a charismatic myself in youth group and what I was doing was just ecstatic utterances, in a trance...and very similar to what I was experiencing as a New Ager later.

But anyhoo... I'm not going to say anything you yourself does is demonic or blasphemy. I dont know your faith.

I just dont see how what is called tongues now matches the bible.

Well, you've posted about how there is the guidelines laid down by God through Paul to the church at Corinth in 1 Corinthians 12-14.. and how tongues should be done within these guidelines. This I agree with completely. I've personally never seen tongues practiced by these guidelines. At the most two or three speaking? Nope. How about the entire congregation trying to speak in tongues.

Having an interpreter? Nope.. never seen it. The purpose of it being for sharing the gospel to unbelieving Jew in their language? Eg Acts 2? Nope.. that example is in the bible but I haven't seen it repeated now.

So ya.. it is just my experience.. true. But have you seen tongues practiced how it should?

Sister, I did read what you said, and I corrected my mistake in my @#587 comment where I referred to the meaning that led me to mistakenly express what you had said about fakers. I whole heartedly agree about the Copeland video. It is grim and unquestionably false. And yet it is not without power is it? The overarching effect on an entire congregation is too great to simply dismiss as a powerless show. Rebuking it is another matter. How will you rebuke a show of power unless you can discern the power thereof? And why would you rebuke a power that is expressed in words so that it carries through the air to the ears and the mind and in sight through the eyes of those who have sight and is capable of producing a great show of power in the many. Isn't that the character of Simon the Magician as expressed in Acts 8:9-24?

Well what you said was that we should rebuke the man. That seems likely reasonable and would arrest the show of power in one man or perhaps even two men if you then show him the door. But how will you rebuke an entire congregation of an hundred men or thousands of men and women who say that they have Christ and in no less a meaning than Simon the Magician who also believed as the Scripture says and was baptised as are the many in this Copeland video. So I asked if you understood Sorcery. No problem if you don't desire to answer that question - now qualified - but in simplicity the term speaks to Galatians 5:20 and to the second fruit of the flesh after idolatry - as listed.

You suggest that I would be hard pressed to receive a rebuke sister. When I came back from my honeymoon my wife went to our marital home and I went to the church we attended. It was an AOG pentecostal church. When I walked through the door into the central isle the pastor was preaching and he was visible in the pulpit right ahead of me. I literally stood there as his words fell into me ears and heard him rebuking my marriage and by intention myself because I had disobeyed him and asked a sister in the church to marry me before the six month probationary period of my membership had been fulfilled. A few of the other members of the youth group who sat at the back of the church where the door opened into the street turned their heads to me standing in their sight and knew that I had been rebuked. As it happened what I heard in a literal disapproval of my manner of marriage was the last thing the pastor spoke. Perhaps because there I was in the very midst of the church and he knew that he would have to give an account.

So yes Sister I can quietly yield to a rebuke no matter how publicly and no matter how stern its effect on others. But to yield to it in my spirit when it is false - no sister - I am a brass wall. But if a brother or a sister is wounded because they are looking for a wife or husband and my engagement is know to the youth leader because I foolishly sough her advise on how to ask a sister to date me - forgetting what the pastor had said to me when I entered his church - and now more are offended because I am now found to be in disobedience because I broke the condition of my probation period - I just ask the Lord to raise up their wife and their husband to release them from the effect of a mistaken pastor who has given the weakness of the flesh in others who are faltering in their proposals a means to carry their emotional wounds to a new height when they turn and I see in their faces an accusatory spirit. No need to express your disapproval sister of a mistaken pastor - I don't need to hear it.

Rebuke is for our own good when it is a true rebuke - in rather the same way that tongues is for our own edification when we speak to God in groans too difficult to express in our own minds - or else when we are bearing witness in the Spirit to another in the church and we have a gift of interpretation or else we know another has that gift. How will you rebuke an entire church or a power that is evident in numbers of brethren and makes of them commodes of a sorceric effect. So I asked you what do you know about Sorcery.

Sorry for the ramble sister. The Lord knows. What I said to that pastor in the hearing of the entire church - was "by what authority do you condemn my marriage." Its not difficult to resist mistaken words - it is rather more difficult to arrest the effects that ensue from it.

I'll answer your other comments when I have had some breakfast. You won't like it - but what can I do if you insist in rebuking me on a public forum and speak of having great discernment and incite others to rebuke what is false and then openly question my own participation in terms that would make me false were your rebukes of any true spiritual substance. I believe that this matter of tongues is well worth pursuing drollery and to do that we have to be able to filter what is spiritual in what we say and what is worthless.

See what you did there?

You are still playing games.

You're taking what I say out of context to satisfy some type of scenario you have in your head.

Write this long rambling post about it, then pretty much agree with my actual point in a roundabout way toward the end.

So, let's be clear and concise.

Nowhere did I say that we should rebuke someone in our own power or authority based solely upon our opinion and definitely not according to our own earthly desires. Nothing about telling people our own personal opinion about who or when they should marry and then rebuking them for not following orders. My post had nothing to do with any such nonsense.

I think it is pretty clear what I've been talking about.

Yet, you don't get it because you've got this whole other scenario going on in your mind.

So again, stop playing games, listen to what I am saying, respond to my actual statements and don't try to put words in my mouth. If you want to have a discussion about any of this, then come about it honestly, stop twisting and adding to my words, if not then get behind me. I'm not interested in nor am I going to indulge you in games.

So sister this comment you posted to myself is answering @#587 - including the quote I made in that comment. And the alphabet soup you speak of was in that post as now herein cited as @#587 Being:

"Its all very well and good telling others how great your discernment is and how important it is to rebuke fakers (the Copeland video) and then quietly slip by a callous remark in your agreement as you pass onto that which even the cessationist knows is fake. What do you know of sorcery sister?" @#587.

You have told me that this alphabet soup (and in the other post you made to this same comment @#587) that you have no idea what I am saying.



So the message @#583 is the comment by @Heaven_Bound with whom you agreed by electing to emoji to that effect and meaning. And seeing as our elections are visible to the person we are agreeing with - they are also visible to the person who is the object of that agreement. I left @Heaven_Bound's comment alone - even though I see it as callous and heartless. But I feel sure you will believe that it is entirely sound and @Heaven_Bound clearly hasn't redacted his comment in any way whatsoever. Yet the brother he is making his comment to was speaking of his own biological brother and he was responding to myself @#577 - and so I posted another comment to him @#578. It was only then that the condemnations came as they did where he is cited in a claim that almost all cessationists have doubtful doctrines and false beliefs amounting to unbiblical claims that God has chosen some for eternal life and some for hell. And you agreed with that.

Now I see that your latest post @#594 is styled in the same psychological soup your previous posts were set into - which ended by you telling me that I have won and all that matters is winning and so you hope that I am happy. Utter impassable nonsense when speaking about spiritual and sorceric and when applicable demonic realities.

You tell me that I have generally agreed with you in the latter part of the post you are responding to and so I must have been applying a psychological precept and thus misunderstood you. Baloney sister. Tell me what power was working in that Copeland video and how you know what it was. You refused the greater part of what I said to you in a civilised and respectable way and still came back with attributing my comment about the pastor as an accusation of yourself. By asking him by what authority he was condemning my marriage I was requiring him to say it publicly. He didn't because he had no authority over me other than in the sense of his eldership. His pastoral calling would Not make a dent in my own calling no matter what he could do - but he could have thrown me out of the church for challenging his authority in a governance sense of eldership. I was making my own calling clear to him. I am not a pastor.

What you miss sister is that I didn't say that the pastor didn't have authority to rebuke me - I said that he was mistaken in his use of authority. You have no authority whatsoever in the local church and so when you rebuke others you are already in error even when you are entirely accurate in your discernment. This is a spiritual exercise not a psychological one. You say you have authority to rebuke others - I say you are mistaken. You say the gifts of the Holy Spirit by which you also mean the Holy Spirit gives you authority to rebuke others. Not a chance unless you are on the mission field in which case you will need all the spiritual authority you can receive to remove yourself from the onslaught of demonic activity that will be thrown against you. In the church the issue is not a demonic reality it is a reality of Sorcery. So what therefore is Sorcery?

Copeland and Brown are exercising considerable influence on those who are witnessing their antics - so tell me what was their power to cause such a visible effect amounting to a loss of reason and self control in so many people?

If you don't then how on earth can you expect to cite a few Scriptures or else make psychological soup out of others comments and seriously anticipate that they will be in any way convinced when those antics in the Copeland video went on to effect millions of believers and gave rise to unprecedented falsehoods that have harmed many churches? How will you rebuke all of that? By what power and to what end?

Tongues threads always turn out like this, no matter how they start. Should tell us something about attitudes.

You should know exactly by what power they deceive others, and exactly how the others are so easily deceived.

Not wanting to get too personal with you on here. I have personal experience with Browne. I was engaged to a guy who was completely immersed into that cult. He was/is a good guy in most every way except for the fact that instead of studying out the Word of God and putting his complete faith and trust in God and following the Word of God, he chose to follow Rodney into his deception.

So, what could I do about that...tell him and show him out of the Word of God how wrong and far Rodney Howard Browne really is from God. In the end, he was willing to choose the Word of God over Rodney Howard Browne or at least that is what he told me anyhow.

That's what I'm saying...anytime Rodney Howard Browne or any of the others are mentioned or being praised then we who know better need to call him/them out for what they really are. We don't need to hold back on that type of thing. Definitely don't need to go along with it just to get along. We are not to uphold it in any way.

I'm not going to step foot in his church to sing Kumbaya or ba wa wa or anything else. Now if the Lord sent someone into his church to rebuke him that would be a different thing. I often wondered why the Lord didn't send people in those churches to rebuke them. Then I talked to another friend about it, and he said the people there are there for a reason. Rodney's just giving them what they want. They all have a Bible and if they are saved the Lord will surely instruct them if they want to learn. So, whatever it is (prosperity gospel) that entices them that's what they want and that's why they are there.

Listen me carefully, Old Man, I am not a Sister!
Secondly, I've has several high priestess cast spells upon that ended up back on them [in their own language by the power of 3].
I've cast out Demons by the Name and Power of Yeshua of those who came at me with Witchcraft.
Take Your sorcery and shove it side ways, OLD MAN!

But you are talking about a mental ward of people being insane and trying apply that experience to a Church Body. You are equaling insanity to a Gift of the Holy Spirit! You are committing Blaspheming against the Holy Spirit by equaling a Gift of the Holy Spirit to Insanity! I want nothing you have to offer!

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