TONGUES is a precious gift from God
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Discern means to : to recognise, acknowledge, know, respect, discern, regard Gen 31:32
In 2 Samuel 19:35 it means to hear, listen to, obey. it also means to know.
In 1Kings 3;9 it means to discern, understand, consider and In Ezra
to recognise, acknowledge, know, respect, discern, regard.
In Matthew 16:3
the gift of discernment is not seen in the word of God the only text we have about discerning as a gift is found in 1cor chapter 12:10
which is discerning of spirits which if not everyone has the gift of prophesying then not all have the gift of discerning of spirits.
Those who say they have the gift of discernment are not the case if you burn your hand by fire you do not need to discern fire will burn you. it is your personal experience with fire that you came to know. Something they discern from their own intellect can be a gift from God but it is not the gift of discerning spirits.
Discerning spirit is
You can't have it both ways if tongues are not for today, and healing then nor is one self-proclaiming they have the gift of discernment is false.
In 2 Samuel 19:35 it means to hear, listen to, obey. it also means to know.
In 1Kings 3;9 it means to discern, understand, consider and In Ezra
to recognise, acknowledge, know, respect, discern, regard.
In Matthew 16:3
- to separate, make a distinction, discriminate, to prefer
- to recognise as genuine after examination, to approve, deem worthy
- a distinguishing, discerning, judging
the gift of discernment is not seen in the word of God the only text we have about discerning as a gift is found in 1cor chapter 12:10
which is discerning of spirits which if not everyone has the gift of prophesying then not all have the gift of discerning of spirits.
Those who say they have the gift of discernment are not the case if you burn your hand by fire you do not need to discern fire will burn you. it is your personal experience with fire that you came to know. Something they discern from their own intellect can be a gift from God but it is not the gift of discerning spirits.
Discerning spirit is
- a distinguishing, discerning, judging
You can't have it both ways if tongues are not for today, and healing then nor is one self-proclaiming they have the gift of discernment is false.
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The gift of discernment is not something that you can just say you have especially when it comes to certain stances or beliefs on teaching such as tongues. One major problem I have seen is that people don't really know his voice and thus when they read scripture or form their beliefs they do so with their own views as lenses.
One can claim to have the gift of discernement when it comes to tongues but that doesn't make it so.
A good example of discernment of spirits is when I was a new believer I saw a man on t.v. who was apparently a well known and respected preacher but the instant I saw him I felt very uneasy in my spirirt and did research on him and it turns out he was sold out by his own wife for faking miracles.
Another time I was at walmart in line and this man who had many burns and scars all over him was talking with the lady at the counter aand there was such life in him i could just feel the holy spirit oozing out of him and to this day I have never met anyone else like that.
But to claim to have the gift when it comes to certain teachings is not likely to be taken seriously as it is far to easy to mistake our own beliefs and our own views as God's it is to easy to not know his voice well enough and we form our belief tree by our own understanding.
One can claim to have the gift of discernement when it comes to tongues but that doesn't make it so.
A good example of discernment of spirits is when I was a new believer I saw a man on t.v. who was apparently a well known and respected preacher but the instant I saw him I felt very uneasy in my spirirt and did research on him and it turns out he was sold out by his own wife for faking miracles.
Another time I was at walmart in line and this man who had many burns and scars all over him was talking with the lady at the counter aand there was such life in him i could just feel the holy spirit oozing out of him and to this day I have never met anyone else like that.
But to claim to have the gift when it comes to certain teachings is not likely to be taken seriously as it is far to easy to mistake our own beliefs and our own views as God's it is to easy to not know his voice well enough and we form our belief tree by our own understanding.
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Humility is the fear of the Lord; its wages are riches and honor and life (Proverbs 22:4).
Who is wise and understanding among you? Let them show it by their good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom (James 3:13).
Also, check out II Peter 1
Nonetheless, this does not mean that we should neglect the gifts and the heavenly calling that God Himself has given to us. God wants to do a tremendous and transforming work in us and through our lives! He has equipped us each with our own talents and gifts and bought us with the precious blood of His Son, Jesus Christ. (1 Peter 1:18-20)
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=humble&version=ERV
Who is wise and understanding among you? Let them show it by their good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom (James 3:13).
Also, check out II Peter 1
Nonetheless, this does not mean that we should neglect the gifts and the heavenly calling that God Himself has given to us. God wants to do a tremendous and transforming work in us and through our lives! He has equipped us each with our own talents and gifts and bought us with the precious blood of His Son, Jesus Christ. (1 Peter 1:18-20)
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=humble&version=ERV
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I agree that there is more to the Holy Spirit working in us - and I agree that this precept would equate to a working of power - even extraordinary power in some who are called to serve the Father in ministry of the Word in the day in which we live.
Yet to take Elisah by your election - when he was chosen by Elijah who threw his mantle about him, Elisah left the twelve oxen and ran after Elijah and cried out, Let me, I pray thee, kiss my father and my mother, and then I will follow thee. And he said unto him, Go back again: for what have I done to thee?" 1 Kings 19:19-20
So Elisah being then chosen and anointed needed to answer to God and not Elijah.
Within five or six years Elisah is given a double portion - again by the election of God - and the measure of that portion was evidenced by the mantle of Elijah falling into his hands as it was removed by God from Elijah and fell into the hands of Elisah. Yet the work of Elijah was done. It is not difficult to measure what that meant for Elisah because he served for twice the portion of years in his own life time than Elijah. Yet Elijah didn't die as Elisah did. I wonder when we speak about the power of God and make that sense of having the Holy Spirit in a day of rank carnality in the churches whether we have mistakenly sought for power when we ought to be seeking for the evidence of Christ in us. And Jesus promised that whosoever believed in Him, from their inner most part shall flow rivers of living waters.
The promise equates to all who believe into Christ - not all who are baptised in the Holy Spirit in power. All believers already have the fullness of Christ by faith - believing for power has another meaning and equates to the coming Kingdom and the kingdom in us here and now. So I believe that whilst the empowering of the Holy Spirit is essential - our walk of obedience is a more important realitiy to understand. The prophetic school of Elijah was not to prophecy of the coming Christ until John the Baptist - but to tear down that which was false in the midst of that which was established by the Father for His own glory - even Israel.
What Elisah was in his day is of no consequence in this hour. Whereas, Elijah was on the mount of transfiguration with Christ - And unlike Moses who was with him - he had not yet tasted death. The issue of tongues and interpreting tongues is irrelevant to that meaning because what is coming upon the churches is judgement to tear down the falsehoods that have been raised up. What I see in this thread is nothing more than refusing that reality of a Jezebelic effect predicated on the very same meaning that existed in Israel during the time of Ahab.
Yet to take Elisah by your election - when he was chosen by Elijah who threw his mantle about him, Elisah left the twelve oxen and ran after Elijah and cried out, Let me, I pray thee, kiss my father and my mother, and then I will follow thee. And he said unto him, Go back again: for what have I done to thee?" 1 Kings 19:19-20
So Elisah being then chosen and anointed needed to answer to God and not Elijah.
Within five or six years Elisah is given a double portion - again by the election of God - and the measure of that portion was evidenced by the mantle of Elijah falling into his hands as it was removed by God from Elijah and fell into the hands of Elisah. Yet the work of Elijah was done. It is not difficult to measure what that meant for Elisah because he served for twice the portion of years in his own life time than Elijah. Yet Elijah didn't die as Elisah did. I wonder when we speak about the power of God and make that sense of having the Holy Spirit in a day of rank carnality in the churches whether we have mistakenly sought for power when we ought to be seeking for the evidence of Christ in us. And Jesus promised that whosoever believed in Him, from their inner most part shall flow rivers of living waters.
The promise equates to all who believe into Christ - not all who are baptised in the Holy Spirit in power. All believers already have the fullness of Christ by faith - believing for power has another meaning and equates to the coming Kingdom and the kingdom in us here and now. So I believe that whilst the empowering of the Holy Spirit is essential - our walk of obedience is a more important realitiy to understand. The prophetic school of Elijah was not to prophecy of the coming Christ until John the Baptist - but to tear down that which was false in the midst of that which was established by the Father for His own glory - even Israel.
What Elisah was in his day is of no consequence in this hour. Whereas, Elijah was on the mount of transfiguration with Christ - And unlike Moses who was with him - he had not yet tasted death. The issue of tongues and interpreting tongues is irrelevant to that meaning because what is coming upon the churches is judgement to tear down the falsehoods that have been raised up. What I see in this thread is nothing more than refusing that reality of a Jezebelic effect predicated on the very same meaning that existed in Israel during the time of Ahab.
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The sister you name implies that I am speaking about her - which thing is not precisely what I am doing or have done in this thread. It is a reality that does not have anything to do with how delightful a sister is - neither whether she is filled with the Holy Ghost - and neither does the Jezebelic effect have to do with a single woman - it had to do with an entire prophetic priesthood to Baal. Elijah is in that meaning and seeing as he spoke to a King and never spoke to a Queen - perhaps you ought to exercise some discernment yourself brother and understand who is being spoken to now.
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Jesus said the Holy Spirit will be IN you and Upon youJohn 14 & 15, chapter two different things. One, coming into you to make you a child of God and bear witnesses that you are. He Comes upon you to empower you to be a witness as Jesus said IN Acts 1:8 when the Apostles were already saved but were not empowered by the Holy Spirit as recorded in Acts chapter 2
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I didn't assume that's who you meant, though I thought others might. So I thought I would make it clear what I thought about her...just in case. I knew you might think I was referring to you, and if so, I also knew that we could clarify things. I'm glad you said something. Thank you, I do appreciate it. Shalom Aleichem, Achi b'Mashiach! (I've got to practice the little I know!)
The last 300 years pre Second World War of missionary work around the world by men and women - the majority of whom were believers who didn't believe in the baptism of the Holy Spirit - puts that to bed. They nevertheless established the Gospel across vast regions of the world. There were no two events for them. That is what you are trying to establish. Two events. Living waters not empowered babble.
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I'm just sharing my testimony of what Jesus did for me.
"That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God." - 1 Corinthians 2:5 KJV
"11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death."
- Revelation 12:11 KJV
"That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God." - 1 Corinthians 2:5 KJV
"11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death."
- Revelation 12:11 KJV
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