TONGUES is a precious gift from God

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TMS said:
what is the confirmation? what confirms it?
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Perhaps I could say that I was asked by letter when I first became a believer to consider the baptism and the gifts of the Holy Spirit - but the gift of tongues was raised expressly. I recall being very opposed to what I was reading in that letter. Just a day later I was reading the Corinthian passage you were given and became very distressed because there right in front of my eyes was the very thing that the brother wrote me about. I was only a babe in Christ and saved for less than a week. I had only been reading my bible for six days so I knew almost nothing of what was in the Scriptures.

I was so distressed that I literally cried out in a sort of grief because I realised that I had no way to know how to refuse what I could see in the Scripture. In fact I was so grieved in my spirit that I was compelled to cry out to the Father in a loud voice asking for help. After a few moments I received peace - but the peace was the ability to confess that I had no way to judge the word of God myself and needed the Father to make it have a true meaning. I asked the Father to give me an understanding of His word - and on that basis I would believe what I could understand and rest about what I could not understand.

Several years later and just over a year after I had been released from prison I was in a very poor condition spiritually chiefly due to falling into some fleshy habits and again I cried out to God. I was led in my spirit to travel to the city where the brother lived who wrote me the letter in which he spoke about the gift of tongues. I didn't have that thought in my mind - I was simply seeking advise from him because he had also visited me in solitary confinement where I was saved and where I received his letter and his was the only visit I ever had when I was in prison. But when I got to his house his neighbour told me that he was on his honeymoon and wouldn't be back for a week. So there I was in a poor spiritual condition having followed a belief that the Spirit had lead me there to get help and the brother was not even there.

I decided to book into a small hotel and await his arrival back to the city he lived in. It was during that time in a small bedroom whilst kneeling in prayer and longing to be able to overcome my fleshy attitude that I began to speak in tongues as I was praying out loud to the Father. I could hear myself speaking in a language I had no recognition of. I knew that whatever I was saying it had no connection with my mind - even though it was coming out of my mouth. That simple act of speaking in tongues changed my walk completely. The next day which happened to be Good Friday 1986 I went to the street that the brother who was on his honeymoon lived and as I was passing a rather shabby and somewhat poor building the Spirit spoke to me and said, "I will give you the key to this church." So I stood still wondering whilst I realised that I was standing outside a church building and within a few minuets a number of believers began to gather outside of this church. Among them was my future wife. I found myself going into the city and for the first time in my calling I preached the Gospel to a city centre and did so with such boldness and power that even I was surprised.

My point being brother - the evidence of my own speaking in tongues was proven to be of God because it took me out of my fleshiness and into a liberty of walking in the power of the Holy Spirit. I found out later that same Good Friday that the brother I had been led to seek out in a city several hundred miles from my own home - was also a member of that church. So the Father did do what I had asked of Him when I was in my prison cell and in distress at suddenly realising that the thing I had refused in a letter so forcefully - was received in experience of being strengthened in my spirit to begin walking in obedience to the calling of God.

And I should say brother that I was radically saved in my cell - it was only when I walked passed a pub and smelled the beer and knew the Spirit telling me not to go in - that I disobeyed God and fell back into a fleshy life. I cannot tell you how grieved I was that I had disobeyed God and fallen into fleshy lusts arising from drink. I guess it all comes down to asking the Father to teach you what His word means and to establish its meaning in a way that you can know that God is in it. God Bless.
 
TMS said:
i was told i don't know what i'm talking about... Can i ask?

Why Speak in tongues?
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If you believe what Paul wrote is inspired scripture:
1 Cor 14:5 Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up.

What is the purpose?
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It edifies you:
1 Cor 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
Jude 1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, [praying in the Holy Ghost is praying in the spirit: speaking in tongues. cp. 1 Cor 14:15].

It is giving thanks well to God:
1 Cor 14:17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.

You are speaking divine secrets to God:
1 Cor 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. [musterion, transliterated as mystery, but it means secret].

When spoken in public and interpreted, it edifies the church:
1 Cor 14:5 Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may be built up.

How do you speak in tongues?
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Stop being a doubter, learn what it is, and step out on faith. Find people who know what it is and how to do it, they can help. Know this: God doesn't possess people, He will not make you do it.

When was it done in the bible?
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CS1 answered that above.

Is there any conditions on who can speak in tongues?
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Be a Christian.
 
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Rhomphaeam said:
So what that means is that more than 70% of the men. women and children who made a confession of Christ in the Hebridean Revival between 1949-1952 were deceived and only thought they came under the power of God. That sounds like one of those charismatic dishonesties after all. Duncan Campbell has borne a false witness and so we can all turn away because we have established by one precept that they could not have been saved after all because they didn't hear the gospel being preached when they came to faith.

It also means that my own faith is worthless because I came to salvation in solitary confinement in prison and there was no preacher - no gospel message and not even a bible to hand. Just myself and whoever it was that made me confess Christ and put my confidence in His death and resurrection for my sin.

Don't be concerned if I denigrate myself - I am as a wall of brass. So no need to retract your claim because to do so would be to make your claim false. And don't tell me that you are not speaking of myself - because I say that I didn't hear any gospel when I was saved when I was in solitary confinement at the time and there was no one to hear. We have to stand by what we say - and it is better to press it to its full meaning than endlessly play with words. Which is why I am so pleased that @Aidan1 has asked his last few questions. Lets see where reality lies - and let us say what the Lord has done that we were a party to - be that our own salvation or the great works of God in others lives.

So just to state the obvious - all men call upon the name of the Lord when the Lord comes to them in power. It's just a completely reasonable and inevitable outcome of meeting God in power.
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Ive only started reading some of the posts in this thread but I want to give credit to one thing you said that I respect. It's the concept of not backing down but following a doctrine all the way to it's conclusion(s). (As a process of thought... not necessarily of practice... Because there is nothing glorious in following a false doctrine all the way to hell before discovering the mistake).

I'm not sure which questions of Aidan's you meant but I'm not ashamed to state miracles, etc that I've seen or done, or to state how far along the path towards doing more than Paul that I happen to be... But there does come a point where it's not the willingness or ability of the speaker that is in question... but rather "Will the speaker simply be giving that which is Holy unto dogs, and casting pearls before swine for them to turn again and rend?"

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
 
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Rhomphaeam said:
Perhaps I could say that I was asked by letter when I first became a believer to consider the baptism and the gifts of the Holy Spirit - but the gift of tongues was raised expressly. I recall being very opposed to what I was reading in that letter. Just a day later I was reading the Corinthian passage you were given and became very distressed because there right in front of my eyes was the very thing that the brother wrote me about. I was only a babe in Christ and saved for less than a week. I had only been reading my bible for six days so I knew almost nothing of what was in the Scriptures.

I was so distressed that I literally cried out in a sort of grief because I realised that I had no way to know how to refuse what I could see in the Scripture. In fact I was so grieved in my spirit that I was compelled to cry out to the Father in a loud voice asking for help. After a few moments I received peace - but the peace was the ability to confess that I had no way to judge the word of God myself and needed the Father to make it have a true meaning. I asked the Father to give me an understanding of His word - and on that basis I would believe what I could understand and rest about what I could not understand.

Several years later and just over a year after I had been released from prison I was in a very poor condition spiritually chiefly due to falling into some fleshy habits and again I cried out to God. I was led in my spirit to travel to the city where the brother lived who wrote me the letter in which he spoke about the gift of tongues. I didn't have that thought in my mind - I was simply seeking advise from him because he had also visited me in solitary confinement where I was saved and where I received his letter and his was the only visit I ever had when I was in prison. But when I got to his house his neighbour told me that he was on his honeymoon and wouldn't be back for a week. So there I was in a poor spiritual condition having followed a belief that the Spirit had lead me there to get help and the brother was not even there.

I decided to book into a small hotel and await his arrival back to the city he lived in. It was during that time in a small bedroom whilst kneeling in prayer and longing to be able to overcome my fleshy attitude that I began to speak in tongues as I was praying out loud to the Father. I could hear myself speaking in a language I had no recognition of. I knew that whatever I was saying it had no connection with my mind - even though it was coming out of my mouth. That simple act of speaking in tongues changed my walk completely. The next day which happened to be Good Friday 1986 I went to the street that the brother who was on his honeymoon lived and as I was passing a rather shabby and somewhat poor building the Spirit spoke to me and said, "I will give you the key to this church." So I stood still wondering whilst I realised that I was standing outside a church building and within a few minuets a number of believers began to gather outside of this church. Among them was my future wife. I found myself going into the city and for the first time in my calling I preached the Gospel to a city centre and did so with such boldness and power that even I was surprised.

My point being brother - the evidence of my own speaking in tongues was proven to be of God because it took me out of my fleshiness and into a liberty of walking in the power of the Holy Spirit. I found out later that same Good Friday that the brother I had been led to seek out in a city several hundred miles from my own home - was also a member of that church. So the Father did do what I had asked of Him when I was in my prison cell and in distress at suddenly realising that the thing I had refused in a letter so forcefully - was received in experience of being strengthened in my spirit to begin walking in obedience to the calling of God.

And I should say brother that I was radically saved in my cell - it was only when I walked passed a pub and smelled the beer and knew the Spirit telling me not to go in - that I disobeyed God and fell back into a fleshy life. I cannot tell you how grieved I was that I had disobeyed God and fallen into fleshy lusts arising from drink. I guess it all comes down to asking the Father to teach you what His word means and to establish its meaning in a way that you can know that God is in it. God Bless.
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Glad to read this post just now. Happy to hear what you received.

Am I correct to paraphrase what I think you were saying earlier as "you aren't against tongues or spiritual gifts, but you are against the way you see them being used and/or exploited in recent years"?

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
 
CS1 said:
You know that 1cor chapter 14 does speak of this Tongues and interpreation of tongues is = to prophesy. There are those who recieved the ability from The Holy Spirit who refuae to speak out and interpet. They were afriad, But after the service came and gave it. The Holy Spirit will not force you to speak in toungues, prophesy, heal throug prayer. IF one is not going to yeild it will not happen. We can and do say no.
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Understood.

If the spirits of the prophets (spirit of prophecy, and similar gifts) were not subject to the prophets (meaning we can refuse to speak what God commands if we choose) THEN we wouldnt have books like Jonah.

:)

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
 
SophieT said:
right. well then let's review it

first it was a response to this post of yours: post #133

"Aidan1, post: 4745043, member: 306010"]You cant compare the events in Acts with the church. All these Events happend without that there was a church.
And it is interesting that this "important" issue ( speaking in tongues as visible sign that someone has received the baptism in the Holy Spirit) nowhere is taught in the church. But all for the believers in the past and in the future important issues were taught to the believers in the letters we find in the bible.

here is what I said:

Yesterday at 10:29 AM
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Aidan1 said:
You cant compare the events in Acts with the church. All these Events happend without that there was a church.
And it is interesting that this "important" issue ( speaking in tongues as visible sign that someone has received the baptism in the Holy Spirit) nowhere is taught in the church. But all for the believers in the past and in the future important issues were taught to the believers in the letters we find in the bible.


yeah actually we can compare it because it was the start of what we call the church

we could learn something from it also

PAY ATTENTION!!!!!!! the Holy Spirit was sent by God not so that little men can make statements to attempt to destroy that work (not gonna happen) . so why then was the Holy Spirit sent? so that everyone everywhere can speak in tongues?

and why did I say this? you have said multiple times that the gift of tongues are made up, not real and serve no purpose (and I am not going looking for those comments in other threads because everyone here knows your line of response and that is what I am referring to) further I did not call you a little man...I referred to ALL little men who are against speaking in tongues

better yet, I pointed out that the reason the Holy Spirit was sent so that we could have power to live for Christ...not speak in tongues

but you and another person here, handily refuse to see this and offer ad hominin attacks and twist my words. see the scripture following for the truth of that statement.

“But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you. And you will be my witnesses, telling people about me everywhere — in Jerusalem, throughout Judea, in Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” Acts 1:8

but what do you do?

you BADMOUTH the Holy Spirit and tell people not to believe and you are in Germany so you spread that news from there to a different continent

my

interesting comparison between what Jesus said to do and the fact we NEED the Holy Spirit and what you actually do

and that is what you do. you have mocked, made derisive comments and continue to do so and then claim you did no such thing

your negative influence and constant griping are the opposite of the empowerment of the Holy Spirit. the Holy Spirit leads us into truth but constantly lie and say He is done and basically can pack up and go back home

if you say speaking in tongues does not exist, that is a lie. people have responded to you probably hundreds of times in threads over the years (this is not your first membership here nor is it mine) and shown you with great patience in the scriptures the error of your understanding. you brush it off, ignore the scripture and continue with your constant anti-tongues rhetoric...you do not even address the scripture presented to you or if you do, you twist them to say something else

the fact that you (and several others here) are determined to prove the Holy Spirit a liar and men truthtellers, is alarming and significant. I question what spirit you operate out of

the Holy Spirit is to lead us into all truth. you do seem to want to prove we have not been led by the Holy Spirit and I do wonder why you continue on this way. so should you

I can quote from other threads if you don't remember...when I have time
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I meant not all posts. I meant the one i quotet in my last post. Thank you!

Yes the Holy Spirit leads to the truth!
According millions of oneness pentecostals Christians which do not speaking in tongues are not saved. Millions of RCC believers claimes to be baptised with the Holy Spirit and speakingbin tongues, but believing all the RCC doctrines.
Would you say that the Holy Spirit supports false teachings?
We are talking here about speaking in tongues. Right!
But the teaching about it supports not what the bible teaches.

According 1.Cor. 12-14 is speaking a tongues a gift like any other mentioned gift, too.
A gift which not all receive, according 1. Cor. 12,30.
And it is in the church not depend from a second baptism or an special Level of spiritual life.
It was given, like the other gifts when someone was bornagain and received the Holy Spirit.
The events which mentioned in Acts 2,8,10 and 19 have nothing to do with the speaking in tongues which we find in 1. COR .
Those events were made for to show that Jesus came for all mankind and not only for an special nation or group of people.

According what we learn in 1. COR. the gift of speaking in tongues should be normal in every Christian group/church. ( not for all believers) through the whole churchhistory.

But the fact is, that however, it seems to end in the first centurys after the apostolic time. Except out of in cults, or in combination with gospel messages speaking in tongues occur not in the churches.
For example in australia speaking in tongues began after an woman ( i have not the name now) came in contact with the azusastreet movement and spread it then in australia
In germany the azusa movement came in 1906. Before this tongues where not practised according 1. COR. in the churches.
At for shure not, as it was taught in azusa.

If speaking in tongues would be normal given as gift today for the worldwide church. Then we would have this without azusa movement or all this charismatic movements
normaly in the church and would not discuss about this issue.

And again, I am believing that the Holy Spirit works today in many ways to open the hearts of people. And without Him we could not live
as believers.
And I believe also that he can do this throuh giving the gift of speaking in tongues.
For that he is God and can do everything!

But i dont believing the teachings from pentecostals/ charismatics regarding this issue, because I cant find taught this in the bible to other believers.

I know that they base their believing on the scripture. But for that they have to create an own doctrine and must interprete the scripture out of the context and must ignore scripture.

And now you can stone me!
 
Amen and yes the gift of speaking in tongues is a precious gift takes maturity for the believer to be able to walk in it. I do also believe that the gift of speaking in tongues is very much associated with prayer
 
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KelbyofGod said:
Ive only started reading some of the posts in this thread but I want to give credit to one thing you said that I respect. It's the concept of not backing down but following a doctrine all the way to it's conclusion(s). (As a process of thought... not necessarily of practice... Because there is nothing glorious in following a false doctrine all the way to hell before discovering the mistake).

I'm not sure which questions of Aidan's you meant but I'm not ashamed to state miracles, etc that I've seen or done, or to state how far along the path towards doing more than Paul that I happen to be... But there does come a point where it's not the willingness or ability of the speaker that is in question... but rather "Will the speaker simply be giving that which is Holy unto dogs, and casting pearls before swine for them to turn again and rend?"

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
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If you read @#277 and my response @#279 and then the connected response that the sister made @#280 it isn't difficult to see that brethren often refuse simple cogency in favour of another meaning. And it is almost always the case that that other meaning is implicit in fleshy ambitions and a poor spirit because were it not - then plain speech would suffice even when saying difficult things that will cause stumbling if they cannot be received in a spirit of humility.

It no longer surprises me after over 35 years of speaking into the lives of believers over extended periods of time and almost always with great resource of means to settle debt and to address harm in their lives to find that they cannot after all receive the things of the Kingdom of Heaven.

KelbyofGod said:
"Will the speaker simply be giving that which is Holy unto dogs, and casting pearls before swine for them to turn again and rend?"
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Thanks for taking the trouble to read what is written and to resist throwing atones when you give an better explanation to the problem of why the Spirit resists the flesh as the flesh resists the Spirit - because the flesh is not able to submit to the things of God. Only the new man in Christ.. That is gracious and commendable.
 
One may think, "I'm saved by what I believe." When they were taught about salvation, some were taught that the gifts had ceased. So perhaps, in their mind, they have to deny tongues or else it might shake what they believe.
To some, tongues may be, in a round about way, a salvation issue.
Of course, it is not acceptance of spiritual gifts that saves one, but acceptance of Christ being punished for our sin. The Divine exchange.
I just wish that those who do not believe in the gifts would be more graceful to those who do. And stop saying that we're speaking by the devil. Are there counterfeits? Yes.
I could easily turn that around and say that this is something the devil would say, thus anyone who says that a tongue-talker is not of God and is speaking by the devil, and for the devil. But I don't really believe this.
Jesus is the son of God, God the son. He has always existed. He has always, and will always be, holy, sinless, and perfect. He came to this earth when He was conceived by the Holy Spirit and given birth by His mother, Mary.
He lived a sinless life. After 3 years of miraculous ministry, He was unjustly charged, convicted, and executed on a cross.
On the third day, God the Father raised Him from the dead. He is now seated at the right hand of the Father. One day He will return to judge the living and the dead. Those who have faith in Him will spend eternity with Him and those who don't will perish, I believe by being thrown into the lake of fire prepared by God for the fallen angels and demons.
Belief in what I've just laid out is the foundation of our unity in the congregation of God.
"Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit." - 1 Corinthians 12:3 NIV
Jesus is blessed and Jesus is Lord. Jesus gave me the gift of tongues.
"…2with all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love, 3and with diligence to preserve the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called;…" - Ephesians 4:3 NIV
We all need to get better at agreeing to disagree without being disagreeable on non-salvation issues. To bless and not curse.
Don't we?
 
Just caught up from a few pages ago. Wow... Kind of a hostile thread considering how positively Lafftur started it.

Anyway, I praise God for the Holy Ghost and speaking in tongues that comes with it. It was beautiful then and is beautiful now... Regardless if people do it at potentially inappropriate times, or attach stuff that God didn't attach, or even if they preach falseness around it.

I pray everyone who reads these posts seeks God until he pours out His Spirit on them. Remember, even the 11 apostles had to tarry until they received it. Some in Acts had to be prayed over by others before they could receive it. Don't give up before you recieve. Then let God teach you on the usage.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
 
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VARob said:
To clarify, what I disagreed with is your statement that tongues with interpretation = prophecy.

While both edify the church, they are not equal.
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tongues and interpretation is prophesying which equal Prophecy which contextually in 1cor chapter 12 through 14 is speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit


  1. the result of Prophesying is edification, comfort, and exhortation profitable for all in the church setting
  2. The result of speaking in tongues without an interpretation is self-edification and speaking to God not profitable for all in the church setting
  3. the result of tongues with an interpretation is edification, comfort, and exhortation, and profitable for all in the church setting

Both prophesying and tongues with interpretation do the same thing, they are equal in the outcome of edifying.


Both edify
both are inspired by the Holy Spirit
both are used in a church setting
Tongues is a sign to the unbeliever
prophesying is to the believer
praying in tongues is speaking to God
Prophesying is God speaking through a person to people
 
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Jist want to share that God was patient with me as my mind got in the way of allowing speaking in tongues to happen. It took a few months but when he got it through to me, I used it a lot.

One night when I was out by myself, I fell asleep praying in tongues and woke up singing in tongues. As I woke I thought "What is that beautiful melody?" Until I woke enough to realize it was my voice. Then I started to try to figure out what the next notes and such would be... and I messed it up. For the next few nights I would do similarly until I could figure out how to LET it happen instead of thinking I had to MAKE it happen. Now I can sing in tongues and let God lead the song almost any time (especially when I'm stressed because, as someone mentioned earlier, the Spirit is the Comforter)

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
 
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KelbyofGod said:
Just caught up from a few pages ago. Wow... Kind of a hostile thread considering how positively Lafftur started it.

Anyway, I praise God for the Holy Ghost and speaking in tongues that comes with it. It was beautiful then and is beautiful now... Regardless if people do it at potentially inappropriate times, or attach stuff that God didn't attach, or even if they preach falseness around it.

I pray everyone who reads these posts seeks God until he pours out His Spirit on them. Remember, even the 11 apostles had to tarry until they received it. Some in Acts had to be prayed over by others before they could receive it. Don't give up before you recieve. Then let God teach you on the usage.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
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Kelby, so you believe, that the Readers of this thread are nonchristians?
Otherwise all Christians is already given the Holy Spirit!
 
Lafftur said:
We’ve been given sooooo many gifts from God our Father in Heaven….speaking in tongues is just one of MANY! :love:

It is our Father’s Will that sinners be saved and sealed, baptized and filled with His Holy Spirit and filled with the knowledge of His Word!

Tongues is NOT false but, there is a counterfeit….you’ll know the difference….No Fear! :love:(y)
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I agree with this

sadly some individuals resist these truths

one thing of note, is that those who oppose this gift seem to ignore the fact that tongues is both a gift and a sign

they ignore it or perhaps are ignorant of it, and get stuck on tongues in church

they do not understand that this gift is for every individual to use in their prayer life and to build themselves up in the Holy Spirit
 
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SophieT said:
I agree with this

sadly some individuals resist these truths

one thing of note, is that those who oppose this gift seem to ignore the fact that tongues is both a gift and a sign

they ignore it or perhaps are ignorant of it, and get stuck on tongues in church

they do not understand that this gift is for every individual to use in their prayer life and to build themselves up in the Holy Spirit
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I agree I think many of us have all spoken very clearly of those that are in error and counterfeit. it is only one gift from the Holy Spirit, yet, it is a gift from the Holy Spirit and should not be mocked or scoffed none of the gifts should be done that way. amen.
 
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Aidan1 said:
Kelby, so you believe, that the Readers of this thread are nonchristians?
Otherwise all Christians is already given the Holy Spirit!
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Some are, yes. Some people don't want what the Spirit has to offer. Some know little, if anything about it because their leaders teach nothing about it (even though the bible does). Some (like I did) might struggle with how it will happen, how does it manifest, how do you get it, etc.

People struggle in different ways, but the Holy Ghost today is the same Holy Ghost of the book of Acts, Romans, 1 Corinthians, etc. God hasn't lost effectiveness, and people haven't lost their need for edification, healings, prophecies, teachings, preachings, helps, etc.

As has been told in this and other threads, there are many occasions where a group of disciples start seeking God and the Holy Ghost gets poured out on them just like he did on the day of Pentecost and they start speaking in tongues. Other people receive it when they come up out of the water of baptism. Others receive it at the laying on of hands. I've seen it happen in both of the latter two methods repeatedly. It's still available JUST like it was in Acts. Some just don't want to believe it no matter how many witnesses there are.

"Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets; [41] Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you." - Acts 13:40-41 KJV​

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
 
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