Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

I proved your pretrib theory wrong using your own supposed facts.

I did not say anything about the length of the week. I was only speaking of verses in Revelation that is NOT the 70th week. Just so you will always know, the 70th week is marked by 7's: the 7th seal starts the week, the 7th vial ends the week, and the midpoint is marked with the 7th trumpet.

There are five mentions of the last half of the week, two given in months, two given in days and one given in times. Of course the week is 7 years, or 84 months or 2520 days.

Sorry, but Rev. 4:1 is not the rapture. That is John being caught up to show us things in the future.
You are also mistaken about both the start and the end of the week. In chapters the week goes from chapter 8 to chapter 16.
And you also missed it with the marriage and supper, they come BEFORE His coming to Armageddon.

If you don't understand that Daniels 70th week is precisely 7 years long, eschatologically you are up the creek without a paddle my friend.

Correct. That is one aspect of the supper. But I'm sure it's a very long and drawn out affair. Perhaps extending into eternity......

Correct. That is one aspect of the supper. But I'm sure it's a very long and drawn out affair. Perhaps extending into eternity......

The key is to see the first half of 7 years (which is 3 1/2 years) mentioned several times in Revelation 11-13. It is shown as 1260 days = 42 months = time (1 year) + times (2 years) + half a time (6 months).

You're not paying attention. I said that by Rev 4:1.......the rapture has already occurred. The Church age is over ("after this") and the 24 Elders typifying the Church (kings and priests who now possess the crowns, thrones and white robes promised by Jesus in chapters 2&3) are now in Heaven glorifying Jesus.

Nothing could possibly be more clear than that. Revelation chapter 7 removes any confusion about the identity of these Elders.

I really don't know what all this debate is about. Nothing is more obvious than the pretrib rapture as described in the book of Revelation.

You're not paying attention. I said that by Rev 4:1.......the rapture has already occurred. The Church age is over ("after this") and the 24 Elders typifying the Church (kings and priests who now possess the crowns, thrones and white robes promised by Jesus in chapters 2&3) are now in Heaven glorifying Jesus.

Nothing could possibly be more clear than that. Revelation chapter 7 removes any confusion about the identity of these Elders.

I really don't know what all this debate is about. Nothing is more obvious than the pretrib rapture as described in the book of Revelation.

I disagree. Biblically there is no good reason for your assertion. Chapters 6 through 18 constitute the seven years.

That is where you got derailed. Pre-Trib Rapture is not a theory. It is a Biblical event.

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Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture

You are pulling the first seal out of its 32 AD context. Anyone can make the bible say almost anything if they are willing to pull verses out of their context.

Here is part of the context:

Rev. 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

Previous to this, Jesus was ABSENT from the throne room. And the Holy Spirit was still there IN the throne room. Chapters 4 & 5 tell us a story starting while Jesus was still on earth (or under the earth.) Then time passes, Jesus rose from the dead, was immediately found worthy, then ascends to heaven and sends the Holy Spirit down. All this around 32 AD. (And you imagined it was future!!!!)

Oh a preterist........I see.

Sorry, missed something: "after this" is only a transitional phrase used by John several times in Revelation. It only means that God changed directions in the vision.

Have you ever been to a play where they close the curtain between acts? What happens behind the curtain once it is closed? They rearrange the set to fit the next act. This is precisely what John does in chapter 7. He is rearranging the setting. You see, two events MUST take place before that 7th seal officially starts the 70th week: first, the 144,000 must be sealed, and second, the church must be seen safely in heaven.

Oh a preterist........I see. No preterist I ever knew had the slightest idea of what they were talking about and neither do you. Sorry about your situation. Hopefully this thread will be a light to your path to understanding the real truth of Scripture, prophecy and eschatology.

You're completely mistaken about that. Your eschatology is a mess.

Properly we should start with Revelation 1:9 "Write the things what you have seen, and the things which are, and the things that will take place after this." (after the Church age Rev 2&3, after the rapture.) Revelation 4:1 is the demarcation point. The Church has been raptured and now resides in Heaven typified by the 24 Elders. These are now glorified kings and priests (see Revelation 1:6), who have crowns, thrones, and white robes precisely as promised by Jesus in Revelation 2 and 3. To identify these Elders as anything other than the Church is utterly absurd....it is the Church.....period end of story.

Furthermore, to be more precise, the term is "after these things". Revelation 4:1, 7:1, 7:9, 9:12, 15:5, 18:1, 19:1, 20:3.

Every instance it is used it is unquestionably a definitive chronology of time series events being played out.

It shouldn't take much to turn him into a pretribist, then.

Oh a preterist........I see. No preterist I ever knew had the slightest idea of what they were talking about and neither do you. Sorry about your situation. Hopefully this thread will be a light to your path to understanding the real truth of Scripture, prophecy and eschatology.

That is where you got derailed. Pre-Trib Rapture is not a theory. It is a Biblical event.

1 Thessalonians
4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.