From Off The Face Of The Earth 2

ugh I don't want to wait that long

*or possibly the men of Sodom were trying to do the same thing that the devils and wicked men were doing before the flood. they were awfully keen on getting at the angels that had come to take Lot & his family out of the city. possibly instead of nephilim DNA making it through the flood via the daughter-in-laws of Noah ((btw what exactly was Ham doing? that's a mystery)), the men of Sodom accomplished, or *almost accomplished* resulting in anakim instead of nephilim.
there's an obvious similarity between God utterly destroying Sodom & Gomorrah, and utterly destroying the earth in Noah's time - and Jesus puts them together in the same context in Luke 17:26-30

He says when He returns ((in the day the Son is revealed)), people on earth will be like in those days: in the days of Noah, and in the days of Sodom.
whatever terrible thing they were doing, will mankind be doing the same thing? trying to make nephilim? devouring and corrupting flesh, trying to cheat death or become super-human in power? people can be extremely wicked. it's God's mercy that we don't live past 100 much, or unredeemed people would just get worse and worse.

Johan is a funny guy, I like him. Oh and the spirit left king Saul I wonder if that is also being removed from God's presence. So many threads I would start for every thought, ugh

God withdrawing himself part, made me sad. And can you explain this part again please .....
is everyone was cast out because we were all on the body of Adam when he was and Eve when she was we’re descendants of sinners who are under the sentance of death and .that’s why we need to be saved.

I meant jonah not johan haha

Well I have my thoughts on the "jab" and DNA

“is everyone was cast out because we were all on the body of Adam when he was and Eve when she was we’re descendants of sinners who are under the sentance of death and .that’s why we need to be saved”


When God created adam And Eve he chose to put them in Eden with him and he fellowshipped with them d in his presence they had no shame because they had no sin, no knowledge of evil in thier mind and heart they were pure

“So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. …

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good…..
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:27, 31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and God places them in his presence and they had no reason to be ashamed because they knew not evil it was external not part of mans nature. Watch where God designed “very good “mankind to be

“And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

….And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:8-9, 25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

What I’m saying is the first two people at this point all of us were in thier bodies in the body of adam
And Eve our natural parents thier blood is flowing in our veins mankind as a whole is found in adam And Eve they were ll mankind at that point. And thier place wasn’t to die but to live in Gods presence and be blessed and rule the earth in peace and Gods Will

Do you see what I mean Adam and Eve didn’t need to be saved they already were where we hope to be one day. Tha yes what God created us for to live with him as his eternal children.

What happened was this after man was placed in Eden where God places them by his Will

“And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Watch what happens now and how mans relationship with God changes

“And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden.

And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:4-10‬ ‭

Do you see how mankind is now corrupted from what God had made ? And now this is true because they have transgressed it

“But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And look what happened that day

“Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:23-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

See how mans true design and estate isn’t to know good and evil ? Because they did that we are all on this boat

“I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

man wasn’t created sinners we were led astray and corrupted by Satan and condemned knowledge that was not for us we already were made in Gods image deemed by him “very good “

humans now we live 100 years if fortunate and blessed and then die but that was never Gods design for us we were always meant to live in a world like this

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1, 3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

a world that wasn’t good and evil but was very good and ruled in Gods Will.

Man literally is not who we were made to be we weren’t created to die we die because man chose death because they were beguiled and led astray by Satans word and became sinners knowing both good and evil and having that conflict in our nature.

it was only after man transgressed and condemned the corrupted knowledge that Hod placed death on mankind by that first commandment if they are the fruit they would surely die

remember a day is like a thousand years to God and Adam died at close to a thousand years old

“And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭5:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

remember Gods Will was that they remain in Eden with him and not eat the fruit and die but satans Will was to kill them with Gods commandment. They listened to satan and soon after mankind was now like this and you can see it wasn’t Gods design or Will

“And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we mankind as a whole needs to be redeemed to life as was Gods design but forst we’re apppinted to die because of the original sin every human was inside of adam And Eve and was cursed with them.

they didn’t need saving until they followed the lord of the devil and now we all are in this boat with them

“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we need to be saved from death because of sin was my point that was never Gods plan for us to sin and die that was satans idea and we followed it

we’re saved when we follow christs plan and ideas for us his words undo what Satan did to us making us sinners Christ redeems us from the knowledge of good and evil filling us with the knowledge of the gospel

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the Bible is one solid story tells us of mankind’s fall from grace and our original state worth God and shows a slow decline through the Old Testament until we reached the point when all Hope was lost and so he himself became our Hope of redemption coming as a new man to redeem us through the same process by which we fell into sin and death


“Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's ( adam) disobedience many were made sinners,

so by the obedience of one ( Christ Jesus ) shall many be made righteous.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5:18-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they took on the corrupt knowledge and believing the gospel is taking in the correct and life giving knowledge that cleanses our hearts from evil

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I hope that makes sense remember how man was made in Gods image ? We were then corrupted and now we need to be remade into his image through the gospel through observing the glory of God Jesus Christ



“In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭4:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we’re step by step as we believe and move forward in Christ and the gospel being redeemed into what God made us to be originally his children who live with him forever

Sort of like a re creation man fell into the current image of sinners but through the gospel we are being made into the image of Christ step by step or from glory to glory or as Peter says from faith to faith it’s a process of conforming to Christ as presented in the gospel because we’re willing to believe the truth and cast away the lies of Satan in the world

So you shared a lot of things that stood out but I want to ask what did you mean by the lord of the devil?

Concerning the "Nephilim Theory" ... it's fascinating, it's possible I suppose, but there are some problems. This Bible verse is a problem:

Act_17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

The Bible says that the nations are one blood, simply enough. This seems to me to present a pretty conclusive argument against the idea that there are several races of humanity, some human-demon hybrids, etc. here in this Earth realm. All this intermingling would be absolute confusion and very spiritually problematic as well:

- What % of demon blood corrupts someone to the point that they cannot be saved?
- Are those with demon blood (of a certain %) just evil by default without free will at all? This would be strange since the demons and humans both are given free will.
- Who are "better," those pure blood humans or those demon half breeds? You can already see the racial superiority and strife this situation would generate.

The Bible doesn't have any overt guidance on dealing with those who have blood of demons in them, which makes one wonder if such a thing even exists.

The source for most of this is the Book of Enoch which despite its name is of dubious origin and authorship. Let me give a related example. I have a book that calls itself "The Book of Jasher." Jasher is not a name, it is a word that means "upright" "trustworthy" "reputable." In other words, "The Upright Book" and it's actually a book that is referenced by the Bible, so that means it's super reliable, right?! Right?! Well... there are three different "Books of Jasher" out there, so at least two are forgeries that opportunists cleverly invented and called them "The Book of Jasher" to help sell the dubious things contained therein as truth. The one I have is really interesting and has a lot of stuff that is highly possible... but then there's an account about how the Hebrews in Egypt began casting their children into the desert when Pharaoh commanded them to be killed. In this account, God pitied them and sent an angel around to take care of them. So far so good. But then the angel makes them burst forth with hair all over their bodies so they look like bushes, and then gives them magical stones to hold in each fist, one for them to suck milk from and one to suck honey from. And the angel very considerately would give back the stones if the children dropped them. So there were just hundreds of filthy hair bush Hebrew children sucking on magic rocks in the desert according to this "Book of Jasher."

I think you see the problem here.

And similar problems exist with this "Nephilim Theory" stuff. Some of it is outrageous and doesn't seem to fit with a Biblical worldview.

Oh, and also:

Mat_22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Can't be dogmatic about this, but it seems to suggest that the spiritual beings don't procreate sexually like beings with material bodies do.

Some people believe the flood was not global which is why many cultures have histories that speak of a great flood that was elsewhere on the planet, and is also why some giants survived the flood and were encountered by Israel.

I've heard this explanation but it contradicts the Biblical account and is illogical. Why spend 40 years building an Ark when you could travel pretty far in 40 years and just leave the area entirely?

Could you travel safely? The flood came to kill a lot of bad people. I believe it was mainly designed to kill most of the giants, who were a severe danger to humans, especially ones that were traveling in lands they did not know at all.

The Ark is symbolic of other things so it is the shadow and type that had to have happened. It also is the safest way to travel, and to bring everything a family needed to rebuild. That would have been impossible to do by land travel.

lol sorry big thumbs little keys “the word of the devil “

Symbolic of what else?

Oh I was like what other lord and I didn't know about

The Ark protected and saved Noah and his family. That is a Messianic type of concept. Christ also saves us. It also related to the Ark of the covenant.

Well there's the Holy Grail situation.. apparently its all about the blood. And the people in power know this.

Maybe the bushy children are what some call sasquatch or big foot? (I believe they exist, btw hehe)

I believe that bigfoots (bigfeet?) exist as well. I've come across too many believable accounts and video evidence.

Not sure what you mean by the "Holy Grail situation." Do you mean the book "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" which put out the idea that Jesus had children and left a bloodline? I'm certain that didn't happen.