TONGUES is a precious gift from God

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Oblio

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Scripture warns against attributing the work of the Holy Spirit to Satan.
Scripture warns me against hanging out with those who have a form of godliness but deny the power.
The gift of tongues is a manifestation of God's power.
I didn't write the book and I'm not interested in reinterpreting it either.
 

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I had confessed my list of sins before the class. I had repented, with godly sorrow, of the sins on my list. I had, in faith, nailed each one to my cross. I then prayed back 4 generations on each side of my family. I felt spiritually refreshed and lifted my hands to the Lord in praise.
The Lord gave me a vision of Himself riding a horse. When it ended, the weight of His presence pushed me over backwards. It took about 15 seconds for me to reach the ground. I'd experienced a physical miracle.
As I lay on the floor, looking at the ceiling, I saw what looked like a tongue of fire fly into the room. After it flew around a bit, it flew straight into my chest. My body started shaking as I felt something well up from deep within me. As it burst out of my mouth, I heard myself, for the first time, speaking in tongues.
(Alone in my motel room on the morning of Thursday, March 16, 2000. I was at Jacob's Well Ministries, "Five Days Of Healing" seminar.)
This is my testimony of when the Lord Jesus gave me the gift of tongues. What you make of it is up to you.
That's beautiful @Oblio! I'm so glad you shared your encounter with us! :love:

God baptized me with the Holy Spirit and gave me the gift of speaking in tongues too in a wonderful way! I'll never forget it...January 11, 1990...alone also in my apartment having just returned from an evening church service that had a special guest speaker. God is AMAZING and sooooooo much FUN! :love:(y)

Did you notice how the scriptures opened up to you afterwards?! My love for God's Word - reading it, thinking it, memorizing it, was insatiable. I could not get enough of it! lol! :giggle::love:(y)
 

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I pray I'm someday worthy of tongues if it's God's will. I've never felt it. Perhaps I've not been open enough.
Apart from Christ, NONE of us are "worthy".....HOWEVER, IN CHRIST - Jesus Christ has made each of us "worthy"... including YOU!!!

@RAWisconsin - IN CHRIST YOU ARE WORTHY to receive EVERYTHING the Father wants to give you!

Pray...

Dear Heavenly Father,

I humble myself before You, repent of all my sins and ask You to take away anything that hinders me from receiving ALL that You have me. I receive the Blood of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of all my sins and it breaks any and every curse ever spoken over me. Also, I receive the Body of Jesus Christ which is the Righteousness of God for me.

Now, with the Blood and Body of Jesus Christ I make Jesus Christ my Savior, Lord and KING - I have no other savior, lord or king, or god. I belong to Jesus Christ.

Seal me, baptize me and fill me with Your Holy Spirit, I pray, ask and receive in the Name of Jesus Christ. Thank You Heavenly Father, amen. :love:(y)
 
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As we study the scriptures, we MUST also ask the Holy Spirit to give us understanding. We can easily misunderstand the scriptures and not know the truth. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth and He is our Teacher.
I fully understand where you are coming from. The Holy spirit will led us into all truth. I got a question have you studied all the scriptures in the bible concerning 'speaking in tongues' in the entire bible? Most receive their understanding on topics in the bible from pastors and they take what they hear and then just run with what has been taught without searching and proving it for themselves. (And they also base teaching as result of on feelings) And the message of the bible always remain the same. We as human beings have to change our perspective.
 
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Hello Biblescholar, :love:

If I approach God's Word, God's Holy Spirit and God's Ways with my own human understanding, I'll NOT KNOW or learn anything the way I should. It's best for me to humble myself and acknowledge my need for the Holy Spirit to help me to understand and to teach me the things of God.

I will never understand God's gift of speaking in tongues if I rely on my own human reasoning. God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble.
I appreciate your humility. And it is on each and everyone of us need to take responsibility for what we believe. And I would suggest that everyone of us need to revisit the bible and study this subject without preconceptions ideas of what the bible teaches on speaking on tongues. We should go with an open mind and not try to prove our view. But allow the bible to interpret itself. That is why we cannot agree on any subject because we go on what has been taught to us by the church or family.
 

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I am very interested to know how are you able to discern the difference? @Blain @Gideon300 According to my understanding it is just an literal language spoken in the world. If you look at the context of the events of Pentecost. You will see that the disciples spoke in languages of the surrounding regions. The hearers could hear the disciples speak in their languages and what is happening in the world today? My view is just that its a deception. How does speaking in tongues help you spiritually?
I have what is called discernment of the spirit I am very sensative to the spirits voice and presence so if one pretends to speak in tongues around me I will know
 

Lafftur

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I fully understand where you are coming from. The Holy spirit will led us into all truth. I got a question have you studied all the scriptures in the bible concerning 'speaking in tongues' in the entire bible? Most receive their understanding on topics in the bible from pastors and they take what they hear and then just run with what has been taught without searching and proving it for themselves. (And they also base teaching as result of on feelings) And the message of the bible always remain the same. We as human beings have to change our perspective.
It's absolutely wonderful and so life giving to do a search of every time the words Spirit, Holy Spirit, and Holy Ghost are mentioned in scripture! HOWEVER, one still will know NOTHING unless the Holy Spirit gives the understanding to them.

I don't pay much attention to people preaching unless the Holy Spirit bears witness to my spirit that what was said is TRUE. I stay away from commentaries....I've been waaaaaay tooooooo spoiled with the Holy Spirit teaching me.... so much more! AMAZING!!! :love:(y)

God has given us His Holy Spirit...His abiding Presence....always with us, guiding, counseling, correcting, instructing, comforting, and teaching us...WOW! WOW! WOW! :love::love::love::love::love:
 

Blain

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I pray I'm someday worthy of tongues if it's God's will. I've never felt it. Perhaps I've not been open enough.
I have been used in gifts that were not my initial giftings not because I had great faith or because of anything else other than the fact I was willing. God doesn't use the strong or thje wise nor does he use those who are biblically informed these things are good to have but it is the willing that he uses the most. He uses us according to his timing not ours if you ever do speak in tongues just remember it has to be for his purpose and his timing not simply because we ant it be patient and always seek the gift asking for it but remember that it will happen when he decides it is needed.

As for what it is like the best way I can describe it is a surge of power and life surging through you like electricity
 
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I have what is called discernment of the spirit I am very sensative to the spirits voice and presence so if one pretends to speak in tongues around me I will know
You have very sincere answer. Thank you for that. But honestly, I would not trust myself to always make the right discernment everytime. We should only use the bible as the measurement to test the spirit with.
 

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You have very sincere answer. Thank you for that. But honestly, I would not trust myself to always make the right discernment everytime. We should only use the bible as the measurement to test the spirit with.
Well you would be right in saying to not trust yourself because it is about trusting God not yourself. It is vital to daily soak in his presence to become accustom to his voice and spirit because knowledge of scripture while very good is simply not enough it does us no good to know the bible like the back of our hand yet be unable to know his voice and spirit

Even when reading the bible it is far to easy to read it with out own veiws as our lenses instead of reading through his yes we are biblically knowledgeable but because we tend to not truly know his voice and be aware of his spirit we often times gain our understanding from our own perception.

Some like me are simply more spiritually sensative so it was easier for me to learn his voice and presense but I also would spend days and hours being with him simply enjoying talking with him getting to know him resting and soaking in his word and his presense so I am naturally able to know his voice and spirit very well.
 

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It's not good to be so quick to judge a gift from God because it's actually the Giver of the gift that you end up judging....

We know God is just, good and righteous in ALL THINGS that He does.... God in His vast unmeasurable wisdom gave us the gift of speaking in tongues...I'm pretty sure God knows what He is doing.

I think it is best to keep silence and not speak against God's gift of speaking in tongues. Yes, ask questions about it but, speak against it...NEVER.
The critical mistake some make is thinking we know too much and everyone else is misinformed

“He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭14:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

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The critical mistake some make is thinking we know too much and everyone else is misinformed

“He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭14:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

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Apart from Christ, NONE of us are "worthy".....HOWEVER, IN CHRIST - Jesus Christ has made each of us "worthy"... including YOU!!!

@RAWisconsin - IN CHRIST YOU ARE WORTHY to receive EVERYTHING the Father wants to give you!

Pray...

Dear Heavenly Father,

I humble myself before You, repent of all my sins and ask You to take away anything that hinders me from receiving ALL that You have me. I receive the Blood of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of all my sins and it breaks any and every curse ever spoken over me. Also, I receive the Body of Jesus Christ which is the Righteousness of God for me.

Now, with the Blood and Body of Jesus Christ I make Jesus Christ my Savior, Lord and KING - I have no other savior, lord or king, or god. I belong to Jesus Christ.

Seal me, baptize me and fill me with Your Holy Spirit, I pray, ask and receive in the Name of Jesus Christ. Thank You Heavenly Father, amen. :love:(y)

Why have you given a man who is born again and is therefore in Christ by faith - having Christ in Him by the Holy Spirit - evidenced by his confession of faith and his claim in his profile that he is a Christian - a seeming prayer of repentance equal to a prophetic instruction to making Christ his Saviour?

All he said was:

I pray I'm someday worthy of tongues if it's God's will. I've never felt it. Perhaps I've not been open enough.
 

Blain

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Why have you given a man who is born again and is therefore in Christ by faith - having Christ in Him by the Holy Spirit - evidenced by his confession of faith and his claim in his profile that he is a Christian - a seeming prayer of repentance equal to a prophetic instruction to making Christ his Saviour?

All he said was:
Perhaps it was prophetic just not for the reason you think, sometimes prayers such as this are like pouring oil over your head it is an anointing prayer
 

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I pray I'm someday worthy of tongues if it's God's will. I've never felt it. Perhaps I've not been open enough.
It is not a question to be worthy or not, otherwise this gift would not given in the corinthian church.
If this gift is given today only through the believe that this is a proof that someone is baptised with the Holy Spirit, i would questioning it. Because this is not taught in the bible.
 

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Perhaps it was prophetic just not for the reason you think, sometimes prayers such as this are like pouring oil over your head it is an anointing prayer
How do you know what I am thinking brother?

If it were a prophetic prayer then it would also have to include the sense that the person to whom it was given is not saved in the instant of giving it. Otherwise what purpose has prophecy when it speaks that a man must call on the Lord and make Him his Saviour? Let the sister answer her own claims and perhaps the brother to whom the prayer was given can say if he believes that he was unsaved when he made his post.

The prayer is directed to a meaning and I agree that that meaning would have to be prophetic if it is taken as it is given. Otherwise what purpose prophecy? If it is intended to be an anointed prayer then the anointing cannot be based on a claim that a man must first know that he is worthy in Christ due to the body and blood of Christ and then speak to the Father that he makes Christ His saviour - when he says he is already a Christian. Do we take his own words to be less than those of the anointed prophetic utterance?

The OP is talking about a gift of the Holy Spirit - not the gift of life.
 

Blain

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How do you know what I am thinking brother?

If it were a prophetic prayer then it would also have to include the sense that the person to whom it was given is not saved in the instant of giving it. Otherwise what purpose has prophecy when it speaks that a man must call on the Lord and make Him his Saviour? Let the sister answer her own claims and perhaps the brother to whom the prayer was given can say if he believes that he was unsaved when he made his post.

The prayer is directed to a meaning and I agree that that meaning would have to be prophetic if it is taken as it is given. Otherwise what purpose prophecy? If it is intended to be an anointed prayer then the anointing cannot be based on a claim that a man must first know that he is worthy in Christ due to the body and blood of Christ and then speak to the Father that he makes Christ His saviour - when he says he is already a Christian. Do we take his own words to be less than those of the anointed prophetic utterance?

The OP is talking about a gift of the Holy Spirit - not the gift of life.
As far as knowing what your thinking you asked her why she prayed a prayer for salvation knowing that he gave testimony to being saved that is what I was refering to, while I do not know why she worded it in the way she did I know her well enough to know her intent. Now as for it being prophetic and whether or not it is or isn't that remains to be seen but It could have been. Prophesy is not always about proclaiming something often times especially for the church it is a form of building and strenthening what is already there this particular prayer may also have been for the salvation of him perhaps I misunderstood but I do think it was meant to be an anointing
 

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As far as knowing what your thinking you asked her why she prayed a prayer for salvation knowing that he gave testimony to being saved that is what I was refering to, while I do not know why she worded it in the way she did I know her well enough to know her intent. Now as for it being prophetic and whether or not it is or isn't that remains to be seen but It could have been. Prophesy is not always about proclaiming something often times especially for the church it is a form of building and strenthening what is already there this particular prayer may also have been for the salvation of him perhaps I misunderstood but I do think it was meant to be an anointing
yeah prophecy is also about understanding the mysteries of scripture

“And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭13:2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery;Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;


That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭3:3-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

New Testament understanding is a fruit of the gift of prophecy as well
 
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Oblio

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I understand the word prophecy to mean "hearing God's voice," however He's speaking.
 

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As far as knowing what your thinking you asked her why she prayed a prayer for salvation knowing that he gave testimony to being saved that is what I was refering to, while I do not know why she worded it in the way she did I know her well enough to know her intent. Now as for it being prophetic and whether or not it is or isn't that remains to be seen but It could have been. Prophesy is not always about proclaiming something often times especially for the church it is a form of building and strenthening what is already there this particular prayer may also have been for the salvation of him perhaps I misunderstood but I do think it was meant to be an anointing
Forgive me for being rational.

I read what people say and I also trust my reasonable mind in Christ to discern what the direction of words mean when I read them. So whilst I can ask you how you know my thoughts - and you can tell me that my words indicate what I am thinking and then you openly say that you know the author of the contentious words (those words being contended over) you are not after all speaking about what I think - because if what I wrote is what I was thinking - then no need to change your mind about how you can tell me in your first response to myself what the contentious words mean (those words being contended over) when you say:

Perhaps it was prophetic just not for the reason you think, sometimes prayers such as this are like pouring oil over your head it is an anointing prayer
In this second post to myself (as cited at the head of this comment now) you explain that you don't know what the author of the contentious words (those words being contended over) mean in the sense that you may have misunderstood - but that remains to be seen as you say - and you predicate that on the idea that prophecy is not always about proclaiming something "often times especially for the church it is a form of building and strengthening what is already there" - but you also say that this prayer (meaning those words being contended over) - may be for his salvation - which you say may be a misunderstanding - but you do think that the prayer (meaning those words being contended over) was meant as an anointing.

Being rational is galling isn't it brother.

Thats why some brethren simply express positive assertions which when unchallenged or challenged may transport into prophetic speech. It is no different to sorcery - yet it is a directing others for God when we say pray and then give them a form of words.. Those who make such intentional speech - so as to direct a man to pray to the Father as an encouragement - yet predicate on undoubted substance of a meaning to the body and blood of Christ - must account for their words.

In the church I fellowship in they would be challenged by myself and I have done so many times and seldom found a clear meaning. Just endless flip flopping from one precept to another as though it were somehow difficult to understand that we can encourage one another - or else we can ask questions and then offer prayer - or else we can desire to bless a brother or sister. What we have no authority to do is set our speech into a prophetic guise being the authoritative basis - meaning to speak for God or to be led of the Holy Spirit - and then incite a mistaken claim which rationally could not be mistaken when we say:

"Now, with the Blood and Body of Jesus Christ I make Jesus Christ my Savior, Lord and KING - I have no other savior, lord or king, or god. I belong to Jesus Christ."

The gift of speaking in tongues goes hand in hand with the gift of prophecy when it is interpreted and the belief that we are led by the Holy Spirit when we say things in the Lord's name. How will we account for that unless we are willing to be tested? And how will we prevent others faltering because they nervously say that they are not worthy to receive a gift that is for children and babes in Christ - when we assert such strong claims that even includes their salvation?