A Biblical Cosmology / God's Flat Earth

I believe the earth is flat set on a foundation enclosed in a dome

Me too. The Bible is clear about the Earth being fixed and nonrotating. I'm not 100% sure about the shape of the sky, but I lean towards domelike. Some serious flat earthers think it could be another mostly flat ceiling like layer above. But consider this:

(Job 37:18) "Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?"

It seems there's a structure there. This is the sea of glass under God's throne that the saints will one day stand upon.

Reminded me of an hour glass, maybe they see us inside looking down. How do we get out of the glass?

I'll offer an interesting counterpoint here.

I'm a self-taught computer programmer. I do a bit of gaming as well, though not as much now as in my 20's.

Open world video games use a flat earth model for their outside environments because it is very functional for portraying the types of natural phenomena we actually see. For example, the popular game Skyrim has a sun and moons with their own unique motion, a skybox of fixed stars that move, weather, and with mods, even meteor showers and other celestial phenomena. I don't know if it's detailed enough to actually have the paths of the sun and moons change with seasons, etc. but you get my point. There are hundreds of open world 3D video games and virtually all of them use a flat earth representation of the game world.

Now here's something interesting. You know what else utilizes a flat earth model, with the observer/Earth fixed and everything else drawn relative? Planetarium and astronomy software like Stellarium. Yes, that's right, professional astronomy software that can be used to predict eclipses, the movement of the constellations and sun, etc. actually utilize a flat earth model in order to present that information on your computer screen. So do... planetariums like you might see at a museum or observatory. You sit in an auditorium - a fixed position, while everything is represented around you. So you cannot tell me that working flat earth models do not exist.

Obviously reality is more complex, and there are no teams of flat earth programmers making their own planetarium software (to my knowledge). But we're essentially being told that a flat earth model (astronomy software with night sky view) is being used to describe the heliocentric model.

Makes me wonder if maybe... there is no heliocentric reality at all.

God certainly can see everything that happens down here. I think we are confined to this Earth realm for the duration of our mortal lives. Death (in Christ) or Rapture will bring us to heaven where Christ is.

Hi all! I am a very new member here at CC

I meant like a looking glass, us being trapped inside, others on the outside looking in etc.

Good question. If you traveled far enough, would you be able to walk up to a crystalline wall and "knock on the glass"? Who knows. It seems from Biblical context that angelic messengers can travel into this Earth realm and back out.

Actually I take the Tower of Babel account pretty literally. I think they were trying to build a tower in order to attack the firmament and break into the Second Heaven (there are three heavens, Biblically). If it were completely impossible to do, God would not have needed to intervene. I take the account to mean two things: it's theoretically POSSIBLE to leave this Earth realm, but God will not PERMIT it.

No life would exist as there would be no gravity to hold the atmosphere. So we would not be having this conversation if it was flat.

Oh good point. And that's when Pangea happened, too

Could be.

Flat Earth is interesting because this latest resurgence started only around 2012-2014 and serious flat earthers are questioning everything and trying to understand what is fact and what is dogma. But the establishment has had hundreds of years to put its heliocentric system in place.

One flat earther put it this way: We can prove that the globe is a lie, but that's not the same thing as being able to perfectly explain everything.

For example, the Sun. The truth is no one has EVER proven 100% that they know what it is. The heliocentric "magic burning ball of gas" is just what we're told. But it's a childish explanation if you think about it. Wouldn't it burn out? Spread out into a cloud? And no one can verify it.

Genesis 10: 25
Two sons were born to Eber:
One was named Peleg, because in his time the earth was divided; his brother was named Joktan.
The next chapter is about babel and again mentions Peleg

Yes, and this is quite frustrating that the powers that be have corrupted knowledge and truth and deceived humanity about many things. What do you think the Sun is?

Hmm, that Genesis bit is really interesting. I've heard young Earth creationists postulate that the Flood triggered the ice ages, which in turn triggered sea level rise which may have also contributed to the dividing of the Earth by flooding a lot of low-lying archipelagos and land masses. The Earth as seen on an AE map like Gleason's is VERY divided with the Americas, Africa, and Australia making kind of a rough Y-shape. And obviously lots and lots of water... or so we are told

What is the Sun? Yup, that's a hard one. Well, Biblically it is a light and its circuit denotes the passing of a day. Beyond that... dunno! But I've seen some simulations where flat earthers have used a flashlight to project a spot of light inside a glass dome. The Bible never says the Sun is a physical object, only that it is a light. Could it be a large energetic projection being projected by something on the other side of a firmament structure?

Great post and I was 100% on board until the last couple sentences.

Gravity exists, I'm not denying that. "What goes up must come down." Something forces matter downwards towards the Earth's surface.

I don't think the modern explanation for gravity as an attractive force between mass has been perfectly explained or proven. Newton didn't "discover" gravity. He simply described a phenomenon and his explanation was accepted.

My dad's an electrical engineer. He's always been interested in something called "GUT" - Grand Unification Theory. You see, modern scientism has a problem. The forces that supposedly exist on a mega scale affecting galaxies, stars, planets, etc. (gravity) and the atomic forces that hold all matter together (electromagnetism, strong and weak nuclear force, etc.) have equations which are not mutually compatible. A GUT framework that reconciles these two areas of equations has been sought for some time.

But here's my thought on that. Gravity - mass attracting mass - simply isn't observable, measurable, testable in real life the way it should be. The computer models of the solar system etc. all work great... but you can lie with math and computers. Every CG film or video game is a lie told with math.

I think that gravity in the modern explanation of it simply doesn't exist and thus a GUT is not needed at all.

We need a new theory of gravity.

Could be.

Flat Earth is interesting because this latest resurgence started only around 2012-2014 and serious flat earthers are questioning everything and trying to understand what is fact and what is dogma. But the establishment has had hundreds of years to put its heliocentric system in place.

One flat earther put it this way: We can prove that the globe is a lie, but that's not the same thing as being able to perfectly explain everything.

For example, the Sun. The truth is no one has EVER proven 100% that they know what it is. The heliocentric "magic burning ball of gas" is just what we're told. But it's a childish explanation if you think about it. Wouldn't it burn out? Spread out into a cloud? And no one can verify it.

Hi all! I am a very new member here at CC and was attracted to this site by a flat Earth thread that a web search happened to turn up. I was specifically looking for a community of Biblical Flat Earthers but such a thing doesn't seem to exist, at least not as I would like to see it, so I decided to join CC instead.

A bit about my Flat Earth experience. I love science and Bible apologetics and took every science course my small high school offered: 6 in four years. I am a fan of Answers in Genesis and Kent Hovind though both are to my knowledge vociferously opposed to Flat Earth. I became a serious Biblical Flat Earther after hearing a podcast about a completely different subject (COVID) by a Flat Earther (Dave Weiss - DITRH) and didn't realize until the end of the segment that he was a Flat Earth believer. At first I was disgusted but after some thought I watched some of his material and it got me thinking. The first thing I asked was, "What does the Bible say about this?" and I found that there are literally dozens of verses and passages that strongly support a Flat Earth cosmology. I am about to share many of those with you here and now. I have a video about the subject on YouTube called "A Biblical Cosmology" by J.States which you can see for yourself if the subject interests you. Anyways, after thousands of hours of personal, obsessive research, I am now a 100% Biblical Flat Earther. For me, this was a major missing puzzle piece as concerning a great many aspects of current events, Bible truth, and future eschatology.

Does the subject of Flat Earth even matter? Yes, absolutely. Though I always loved science, I generally was repelled most of my life by astronomy due to the godless conclusions that this "science" generally pushes and the godless people who practice it. The scientism of our time demonstrably lies about origins, about human nature and purpose, about humans evolving from "lower" animals, about marriage and sexuality, about the nature and historicity of Jesus Christ, about religion and faith, and a whole host of other subjects. Not surprising, as this Earth realm belongs to the god of this world, Satan, who is the Father of Lies. It is not therefore surprising that modern scientism would also lie about the shape of the Earth, especially since the globe lie leads to the following natural conclusions:

- Earth is just another planet that formed due to natural processes over eons.
- Earth is no different than any other habitable world out there, and it is just one of many.
- Humanity is just the most evolved, dominant intelligent life that developed naturalistically on this planet (one of many).
- Human life is therefore not unique and it is laughable to say we are created in God's image.
- History is not under God's control and we must be fearful every minute that our fragile space rock Earth could be destroyed by a rogue planet, asteroid strike, supernova, or piece of wayward dark matter.
- If the Earth coalesced over eons from debris caught in the Sun's gravity, then this obviously contradicts the Biblical Creation account, which must be discounted as myth.

But a Flat Earth, fixed and unmoving in her place as the Bible describes, in contrast demonstrates the power and permanence of the Godhead and Godthrone as the Scriptures attest:

(Romans 1:20) "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"

(2 Peter 3:5) "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:"

For this post, I will be using exclusively the reliable King James Version of the Bible, and not any of the 900+ corrupt modern Bible versions. If you do not understand why, feel free to look up the free PDF book online "Serious Omissions in the NIV Bible" by Keith Piper for an example of why that particular version is wholly corrupt. That is a whole other college-course level discussion right there.

For the sake of brevity, in the rest of this post I will focus exclusively on what the Bible says about the shape of the Earth. We won't even talk about the myriad other topics related to this overall discussion, like the deceptions of NASA, the Freemasonic connection to the space program, the reasons for the globe deception, facts and phenomena that disprove or contradict the heliocentric model, or the communities of Biblical Flat Earth believers which have existed historically (including ~120 years ago which spawned an awakening back then of flat earth and which generated several unanswered and truly epic books by Biblical flat earthers of that time).

The Bible passages - both from Isaiah - which had me taking a second look at what the Bible says about the Earth both come from Isaiah:

(Isa 40:22) "It is he that sitteth upon the CIRCLE of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:"

(Isa 22:18) "He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a BALL into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house."

I took a bit of Hebrew in college and the capitalized words above (CIRCLE and BALL) are two different Hebrew words which mean "circle" and "ball" today in modern Hebrew. In other words, the prophet Isaiah, under divine inspiration, had available to him the word for "ball" but he chose with intention to describe the Earth instead as a "circle." A relatively flat disc can be circular.

At this point, we must avoid some confusion by describing exactly what a serious Flat Earther believes. You have probably seen graphics of a heliocentric solar system but with a flat cracker Earth substituted in place of a planet Earth. This is rubbish, nonsense, and pure disinformation intended to make Flat Earthers look stupid. No informed Flat Earther believes in a cracker Earth floating in space.

The Flat Earth is the basement of the universe. It is like a floor, extending in all directions to an unknown extent. The Earth is fixed, and it does not move:

(1Ch 16:30) "Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved."

(Psa 93:1) "The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved."

(Psa 104:5) "Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever."

There is nothing "immovable" about a planet Earth that is rotating at 1,000 miles per hour at the equator, shooting around the Sun at 66,600 miles per hour, with the whole Solar system hurtling at ludicrous speeds (millions of mph) around the galactic core.

In a heliocentric globe planet Earth model, the southern hemisphere shrinks from the equator down to the Antarctic continent at the bottom of the globe. In a Biblical Flat Earth model, instead the disk of the Earth continues to spread outward from the equator to an Antarctica which is a ring around the "world pond." The Antarctic ring is the bounds for the world oceans established by God, and the Antarctic ice wall rises to heights of 100-200 feet from sea level to the frozen plateau which continues to spread outwards for an unknown distance. Carefully read these relevant Scriptures:

Psalm 33:7 "He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses." (Massive Antarctic ice wall ring)

(Job 26:10) "He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end." ("Compassed" has connotation of surrounding around a periphery.)

(Job 38:30) "The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen." (South of the Antarctic shoreline unknown regions of ice (?) extend outwards for an unknown distance.)

If you are having trouble visualizing things at this point, look up Alex Gleason's Azimuthal Equidistant (AE) map of the world, which most serious Flat Earthers consider to be (roughly) accurate, though of course we don't know for certain as all voyages of exploration are funded by and the published results controlled by world governments.

Above the fixed Earth plane, the Sun, Moon, and wandering stars (from the Greek planetes) make their circuits. According to the Genesis account, their purpose is for "signs, seasons, days, and years." They are not meant to be inhabited. No one has ever walked on the Moon; it is a light, not a reflector:

(Mar 13:24) "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give HER light,"

(Rev 21:23) "And the city had no need of the sun, neither OF THE MOON, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof."

(1Co 15:41) "There is one glory of the sun, and ANOTHER GLORY OF THE MOON, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory."

(Eze 32:7) "And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give HER light."

(Jer 31:35) "Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a LIGHT BY NIGHT, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name."

(Isa 13:10) "For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause HER light to shine."

A FE model makes everything so much easier to calculate. If you have to allow for the curvature of the earth, the maths becomes near impossible for a PC to model.

If there is not gravity (an FE dogma)

I'll offer an interesting counterpoint here.

I'm a self-taught computer programmer. I do a bit of gaming as well, though not as much now as in my 20's.

Open world video games use a flat earth model for their outside environments because it is very functional for portraying the types of natural phenomena we actually see. For example, the popular game Skyrim has a sun and moons with their own unique motion, a skybox of fixed stars that move, weather, and with mods, even meteor showers and other celestial phenomena. I don't know if it's detailed enough to actually have the paths of the sun and moons change with seasons, etc. but you get my point. There are hundreds of open world 3D video games and virtually all of them use a flat earth representation of the game world.

Now here's something interesting. You know what else utilizes a flat earth model, with the observer/Earth fixed and everything else drawn relative? Planetarium and astronomy software like Stellarium. Yes, that's right, professional astronomy software that can be used to predict eclipses, the movement of the constellations and sun, etc. actually utilize a flat earth model in order to present that information on your computer screen. So do... planetariums like you might see at a museum or observatory. You sit in an auditorium - a fixed position, while everything is represented around you. So you cannot tell me that working flat earth models do not exist.

Obviously reality is more complex, and there are no teams of flat earth programmers making their own planetarium software (to my knowledge). But we're essentially being told that a flat earth model (astronomy software with night sky view) is being used to describe the heliocentric model.

Makes me wonder if maybe... there is no heliocentric reality at all.