NOT EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES WILL BE SAVED

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keiw

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Yeah his words are true of course

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I agree fully what’s your point ? We have to believe that or we’ll never come to it is my point we have to believe right before we’ll ever be able to live right belief is first and all that actually matters but we have to believe what Jesus taught like …..the above anyone who truly believes that will do what ?

That not one who practices a sin is known by Jesus. Most assuredly why he teaches-- Enter through the narrow gate, for broad and spacious the path that leads to destruction, many have entered this way. For narrow is the gate and cramped the road that leads off into life, FEW are the ones finding it. Matthew 7:13,14
 
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Hitler was an insane power mad murderer. He did not have the love that Jesus spoke about, nor any of the christian religions that allowed the young men to kill and murder for him, Their clergys wouldnt even stop the young men when they clearly saw what he was. That is darkness. THE clergys prayed on both sides to the same God for the quick destruction of their own supposed brothers in Christ.-hipocrosy. It took throwing Jesus away to kill their own supposed brothers in Christ who stood on the other side blowing each others heads off= not the love Jesus spoke of. Jesus would not ever condone that.
War generally is more complicated than that. Murder was forbidden in the Bible, but performing one's duty as a soldier comes from a legally authorized termination of life, not murder. Painting soldiers as evil is hateful. Blame politicians for political decisions, yes. But a good soldier is just faithful to their duty.
 

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You don't have my email. I posted a comment. But if life has been so harsh to you that you are endlessly wrecked by the casual attitude of others - then by all means do as you wish - even if you express yourself in a mistaken way when you talk about emails when you have received a public comment.

You are the one who is claiming that five years ago you and your adopted father began to study the bible and discovered that you have misunderstood the entirety of what ought to be understood when speaking about salvation. And your premise is based on a precept derived from the term the circumcision of the flesh - and arises in meaning to the removal of a curse of the Lord. That claim is now being furthered in this OP and it amounts to saying that it is the fleshy spirit that is circumcised - by which you remove from the fleshy body meaning. I could go on because I took the trouble of reading your posts before presuming to comment.

Now I have asked you to define the term fleshy body and fleshy spirit from the Greek. So you call me bud and tell me that you have to get back to studying. And that I should remind you later. Convincing stuff.

You ought to be concerned for my salvation bud because according to your doctrine I am likely to be one of the majority who are yet perishing because I haven't understood what the circumcision of the flesh (heart) means. Why don't you humble yourself and tell me - and use some Greek to ground what you believe in a manuscript meaning.
For starters, I'm on a ten minute break from my online class. That said, I don't owe you any further explanations. And, considering your abusive nature, I see no need for further communications. Now, when your attitude changes, I'd be more than happy to share things with you. Until then, good luck.
 

keiw

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War generally is more complicated than that. Murder was forbidden in the Bible, but performing one's duty as a soldier comes from a legally authorized termination of life, not murder. Painting soldiers as evil is hateful. Blame politicians for political decisions, yes. But a good soldier is just faithful to their duty.

The concentration camps were pure murder. 1John3: 10-12--No slaughtering of brothers. If the clergys told the young men not to stand on both sides slaughtering one another, Mr Hitler wouldnt have had enough armies to attack anyone, millions of lives would have been saved. That was solution.
 

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That not one who practices a sin is known by Jesus. Most assuredly why he teaches-- Enter through the narrow gate, for broad and spacious the path that leads to destruction, many have entered this way. For narrow is the gate and cramped the road that leads off into life, FEW are the ones finding it. Matthew 7:13,14
oh yeah I’m no sinless perfectionist or anything like that we’ve all sinned you too that means it’s about repentance and remission of sins

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus is the judge and he’s willing to forgive sin as we forgive others

“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We have to follow what Christ taught not what Moses taught about sin he came specifically for sinners to call them into repentance . This doesn’t equate to being sinless it means that you repent and start following Christ as you learn from him things like above there

“This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:15

sinless perfection is a delusion we trick ourselves into not seeing our own sins and peering at others and come to a conclusion everyone else needs to be perfect and sinless but truthfully it’s about repentance and remission of sin. NOt imputation of sin like the law

“And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:46-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we need to follow the gospel that Jesus preached and taught have to follow after his word and start treating people with love and forgiving peoples sin
 

keiw

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oh yeah I’m no sinless perfectionist or anything like that we’ve all sinned you too that means it’s about repentance and remission of sins

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus is the judge and he’s willing to forgive sin as we forgive others

“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We have to follow what Christ taught not what Moses taught about sin he came specifically for sinners to call them into repentance . This doesn’t equate to being sinless it means that you repent and start following Christ as you learn from him things like above there

“This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:15

sinless perfection is a delusion we trick ourselves into not seeing our own sins and peering at others and come to a conclusion everyone else needs to be perfect and sinless but truthfully it’s about repentance and remission of sin. NOt imputation of sin like the law

“And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:46-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we need to follow the gospel that Jesus preached and taught have to follow after his word and start treating people with love and forgiving peoples sin
Actually Paul was clear--Hebrews10:26--There is no sacrafice left for any who practice a sin. Yes all sin, maybe a little sin like swearing in road rage or something, but never do they practice one of these-1Corinthians 6:9-11,, Galations5:19-21--Both spots teach--Will NOT enter Gods kingdom--spiritism = the Greek word Farmacia=so drug addiction is apart of that. There is as well a lot of false god worship on the earth as well. so between the 2 lists and false god worship-99% on earth are in big trouble. Jesus compared these last days to Noahs day. It was 99.9% then.
The biggest problem i see for those thinking they are christian is someone told them they were saved, so they dont bother listening to Jesus.
 
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The concentration camps were pure murder. 1John3: 10-12--No slaughtering of brothers. If the clergys told the young men not to stand on both sides slaughtering one another, Mr Hitler wouldnt have had enough armies to attack anyone, millions of lives would have been saved. That was solution.
As much as you are pointing the finger at the losers of the war, you are equally pointing the finger at soldiers that put down their lives to liberate others.

Is it the right thing to do nothing and let people die? Or to lawfully kill in order to save lives?
 

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Actually Paul was clear--Hebrews10:26--There is no sacrafice left for any who practice a sin. Yes all sin, maybe a little sin like swearing in road rage or something, but never do they practice one of these-1Corinthians 6:9-11,, Galations5:19-21--Both spots teach--Will NOT enter Gods kingdom--spiritism = the Greek word Farmacia=so drug addiction is apart of that. There is as well a lot of false god worship on the earth as well. so between the 2 lists and false god worship-99% on earth are in big trouble. Jesus compared these last days to Noahs day. It was 99.9% then.
The biggest problem i see for those thinking they are christian is someone told them they were saved, so they dont bother listening to Jesus.
yeah or maybe all those scriptures I posted are pretty clear also
 

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Actually Paul was clear--Hebrews10:26--There is no sacrafice left for any who practice a sin. Yes all sin, maybe a little sin like swearing in road rage or something, but never do they practice one of these-1Corinthians 6:9-11,, Galations5:19-21--Both spots teach--Will NOT enter Gods kingdom--spiritism = the Greek word Farmacia=so drug addiction is apart of that. There is as well a lot of false god worship on the earth as well. so between the 2 lists and false god worship-99% on earth are in big trouble. Jesus compared these last days to Noahs day. It was 99.9% then.
The biggest problem i see for those thinking they are christian is someone told them they were saved, so they dont bother listening to Jesus.
Your message is hitting the bullseye. Be strong and brave . . . don't let up on this message! You will be torn apart, I'm sure, for talking this way, but that's because you have been given the right message. So be the messenger! :D
 

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For starters, I'm on a ten minute break from my online class. That said, I don't owe you any further explanations. And, considering your abusive nature, I see no need for further communications. Now, when your attitude changes, I'd be more than happy to share things with you. Until then, good luck.
As to my perceived attitude - you haven't got the remotest likelihood of my changing my attitude as you define its likely evilness - sufficient for you to walk away and turn your back. Its spectacular to me that a man claims to have come across a teaching that has it that almost everyone who he speaks to is lost in false religion - and sets about to teach them the truth - but cannot do it in an open and humble way - unless he can determine that all readers are just fluffy and lovely. And like all such predications to control others you even tell one believer in this OP that they are in the right place that they are proven to be in the right place because they ask questions. That is cultic behaviour in my book.

I understand that their is a passion when we have seen some truth that gives us hope ourselves and naturally extends to others. But you flop over at the least semblance of being resisted - and that includes the least statement of the fewest words. Where is this substance that sets some believers in a hopeless place and a few others in a chosen place by your definition and choice and then can't even bear with a man telling you that he won't be holding his breath to wait for your explanation of the below quote?

The Sin Nature is not associated with our physical flesh, but our Spiritual Flesh. This is one of the ways that God kept His Plan hidden from the unregenerate. The simple fact that you're asking questions is amazing . . . and a great sign that your heart has, in fact, been Circumcised by Christ. Spiritual Circumcision is the dis-association of the Sin Nature from a person's "heart" so that they can see.
So rationally speaking why would I even say that? Well you know of course because you posted into the blog post on this forum where I began to set down a Greek parse of the very subject that informs your claims - only I did that work nearly four decades ago and so it could scarcely be with you in mind. So you commented on that blog post and raised this very doctrine you are promoting. What I posted was rational and intelligent and didn't include any inflection that would condemn anyone. I did it rationally and not in a religious canopy that requires compliance by emotional demand and accusations that the respondent is somehow deficient in their behaviour. As highlighted in RED (above) you tell me that I am abusive.

Given that you have me set into terms that has me incapable of spiritual discernment or else my heart is yet uncircumcised - which in your book means I am yet lost - the responsibility to show me where this abuse is evident would have to be singularly more substantive than could be derived from telling you that I won't hold my breath when you call me bud and tell me that you will answer me if I remind you later. That response was in sight and in your mind expressly in the Greek parse meaning and so why would I not see that as a misdirection?

I take the view that is is wholly contrary to Christ to be telling anyone that they are not saved if being saved is in a meaning of being born again or else in Christ or else Christ in them - when they are able to lay hold of Christ by a simple witness of saying so. Who appointed any man to become the judge of who is and who is not eternally saved? No one - not the Father - neither Christ and neither the Holy Spirit. The real distinction is a matter of eternal life and a matter of receiving the kingdom. That was my Greek parse and you have already rejected it. So let me have your parse and then you can correct me. But there is no possibility whatsoever that I will be yielding to a demand to be so fluffy that I can't even express a cogent and properly informed reason for knowing that your answer was false.
 

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As much as you are pointing the finger at the losers of the war, you are equally pointing the finger at soldiers that put down their lives to liberate others.

Is it the right thing to do nothing and let people die? Or to lawfully kill in order to save lives?

Its never right to kill your own brothers in Christ. Jesus taught--LOVE, PEACE, UNITY. The clergys should have told the young men not to kill for Hitler, that was the solution. By applying Jesus, not the orders of wicked men. The bible guarantees that Jesus is going to wipe every mortal govt off this earth. not because they listen to him, because they dont listen to him.
 

keiw

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yeah or maybe all those scriptures I posted are pretty clear also

The bible doesnt teach 2 different things. It is good news for the righteous only. Its not good news for those God sees as wicked. Yet all of them have love. Its not the love Jesus taught. Those in Noahs day had love as well. For family and friends. Jesus said that love must go to enemies as well. The bible is clear--Return evil for evil to no one. Vengeance is mine said the lord. Pride gets in most peoples way of applying that.
 

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Your message is hitting the bullseye. Be strong and brave . . . don't let up on this message! You will be torn apart, I'm sure, for talking this way, but that's because you have been given the right message. So be the messenger! :D

Jesus teaches his followers would be hated. I expect it. They hated him back then, not for teaching love, peace, and unity but other truth from God exposes wicked things. The world cant stand that part.
 

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As to my perceived attitude - you haven't got the remotest likelihood of my changing my attitude as you define its likely evilness - sufficient for you to walk away and turn your back. Its spectacular to me that a man claims to have come across a teaching that has it that almost everyone who he speaks to is lost in false religion - and sets about to teach them the truth - but cannot do it in an open and humble way - unless he can determine that all readers are just fluffy and lovely. And like all such predications to control others you even tell one believer in this OP that they are in the right place that they are proven to be in the right place because they ask questions. That is cultic behaviour in my book.

I understand that their is a passion when we have seen some truth that gives us hope ourselves and naturally extends to others. But you flop over at the least semblance of being resisted - and that includes the least statement of the fewest words. Where is this substance that sets some believers in a hopeless place and a few others in a chosen place by your definition and choice and then can't even bear with a man telling you that he won't be holding his breath to wait for your explanation of the below quote?



So rationally speaking why would I even say that? Well you know of course because you posted into the blog post on this forum where I began to set down a Greek parse of the very subject that informs your claims - only I did that work nearly four decades ago and so it could scarcely be with you in mind. So you commented on that blog post and raised this very doctrine you are promoting. What I posted was rational and intelligent and didn't include any inflection that would condemn anyone. I did it rationally and not in a religious canopy that requires compliance by emotional demand and accusations that the respondent is somehow deficient in their behaviour. As highlighted in RED (above) you tell me that I am abusive.

Given that you have me set into terms that has me incapable of spiritual discernment or else my heart is yet uncircumcised - which in your book means I am yet lost - the responsibility to show me where this abuse is evident would have to be singularly more substantive than could be derived from telling you that I won't hold my breath when you call me bud and tell me that you will answer me if I remind you later. That response was in sight and in your mind expressly in the Greek parse meaning and so why would I not see that as a misdirection?

I take the view that is is wholly contrary to Christ to be telling anyone that they are not saved if being saved is in a meaning of being born again or else in Christ or else Christ in them - when they are able to lay hold of Christ by a simple witness of saying so. Who appointed any man to become the judge of who is and who is not eternally saved? No one - not the Father - neither Christ and neither the Holy Spirit. The real distinction is a matter of eternal life and a matter of receiving the kingdom. That was my Greek parse and you have already rejected it. So let me have your parse and then you can correct me. But there is no possibility whatsoever that I will be yielding to a demand to be so fluffy that I can't even express a cogent and properly informed reason for knowing that your answer was false.
No need to keep writing. I didn't read this post. Take care.
 

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The bible doesnt teach 2 different things. It is good news for the righteous only. Its not good news for those God sees as wicked. Yet all of them have love. Its not the love Jesus taught. Those in Noahs day had love as well. For family and friends. Jesus said that love must go to enemies as well. The bible is clear--Return evil for evil to no one. Vengeance is mine said the lord. Pride gets in most peoples way of applying that.
yeah so maybe forget your interpretation and look at those scriptures

like this one pretty straight forward

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

your right it just says what it says and I don’t have to convince you of how I’ve interpreted anything it’s plain

Maybe consider what the New Testament is about

“But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:33-34‬ ‭

In other words repentance and remission of sins will be preached in his name not the law of Moses which imputes sin

your thinking is here

“Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭3:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you should be looking here

“Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The reason is

“Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭4:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

your still looking at salvstion as if it’s based on your own deeds of the law of sin and death you have to look away from the law and into the righteousness of the gospel and find the mercies of Christ and follow him
 

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No need to keep writing. I didn't read this post. Take care.

Its a very simple thing to see if one has the teachers Jesus appointed or satans teachers-2Corinthians 11:12-15
The teachers Jesus appoints teach what Jesus taught- correct? Here is a simple teaching that all can look to see which teachers they actually have. Jesus meant every word he said.
Jesus taught--Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY utterance from God-Thus-Jesus real teachers make 100% sure this gets done by the flock. The only way this works is by those teachers assigning like Genesis 1-3) for the next meetings disscussion with the flock, then gen 4-6, then gen 7-9--something like this each week. Year after year it never stops because new ones come along and some things get forgotten over time. Then at the next meeting the teacher discusses the major point to the flock, then asks the flock which points they found appreciation for, hands are raised and those tell what they liked and learned. That way if anyone misses certain points, all points get covered. There are many things that one cannot understand by themselves when reading Gods word. so they must have the teachers Jesus appointed to assure truth is being taught.
Now all can look at their teachers to see if they have Jesus real teachers.
I have studied for years and years and still learn new points to appreciate. It never stops and his teachers make 100% sure it doesnt stop. No matter how many x i have been through the bible like that. i still forget some over time. On one occasion talking about Solomon that he fell away to false god worship. I said to myself no way, but then reread that and for sure he fell away to false god worship. Seems like that would be easy to remember, but mortal minds forget things quickly in its imperfection.
 

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yeah so maybe forget your interpretation and look at those scriptures

like this one pretty straight forward

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

your right it just says what it says and I don’t have to convince you of how I’ve interpreted anything it’s plain

Maybe consider what the New Testament is about

“But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:33-34‬ ‭

In other words repentance and remission of sins will be preached in his name not the law of Moses which imputes sin

your thinking is here

“Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭3:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you should be looking here

“Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The reason is

“Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭4:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

your still looking at salvstion as if it’s based on your own deeds of the law of sin and death you have to look away from the law and into the righteousness of the gospel and find the mercies of Christ and follow him

yes all sin, the righteous do not practice a unacceptable sin like at 1Cor 6:9-11, Gal 5:19-21 Cor states--that is what some of you were= past tense they do not do those sins anymore. Both spots say-Will NOT enter Gods kingdom. it is clear. And its still grace to those who are righteous. Because they still do little sins, not the unacceptable ones in those 2 lists.
 

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yes all sin, the righteous do not practice a unacceptable sin like at 1Cor 6:9-11, Gal 5:19-21 Cor states--that is what some of you were= past tense they do not do those sins anymore. Both spots say-Will NOT enter Gods kingdom. it is clear. And its still grace to those who are righteous. Because they still do little sins, not the unacceptable ones in those 2 lists.
“yes all sin, the righteous do not practice a unacceptable sin”

wait so there are some acceptable sins ? And some unacceptable sins ? Where are you getting your information ? Brother when you and I stand before Jesus Christ he’s not going to ask about your sins it’s going to be all about how you have treated other people whether you have loved them as Christ loved you forgave your sins , lifted you up when you were lost , cleansed your heart so you weren’t serving sin anymore but look here moses is not our judge Jesus is

It’s going to be about how you treated other people

“When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

…Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me:

I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? ….And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:31, 34-37, 40‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s about loving one another in deed and truth sin is ot stuff if we don’t look away from sin we can never see righteousness sin is already dead we just have to leave it behind and the way to do that is to start learning what Jesus taught for us to do

on the other hand the other group

“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

…Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:41-43, 45-46‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s no longer about “ don’t lie and cheat and steal “ it’s now about doing the right things and keeping this commandment

“Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:3, 7, 9-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬


When you see people in need and walk on by even though we can help that’s a lack of compassion a lack of love

to be clear if we forget about the law of sin and start learning the gospel we’re going to be set free of sin d won’t have to be focusing on who’s sinned or not it’s already in the tomb we just have to leave it there and walk away in the life of Christ and the gospel

Christians shouldn’t focus on sin they should focus on righteousness Jesus deals with sin the doctrine is when you realize you have sinned in some way you acknowledge it ,repent and confess and then you have the key

Blessed are the merciful for they will receive mercy

“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if we won’t forgive people we shouldn’t expect forgiveness but if we learn from Jesus he teaches us to be merciful in fact to be perfectly merciful

This the heart of Christs doctrine

Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged:

condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned:

forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom.

For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

of course brother Christians should have the attitude that we never want to sin , but when we find we have sinned and realize it that’s what mercy and grace and the doctrine of Christ is for that’s why believing his word is salvstion without it we are all here

“For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and the law doesn’t say “ forgive and you will be forgiven it says “ the sinner must be put to death “

we have to come out of the sinners doctrine and move into the repentance and righteousness of heart and the gospel and learn to love one another sin will go away if we allow it to by following the truth

it’s like a dead enemy is we keep struggling with sin we’re keeping it alive we just need to leave it in the tomb and start letting the gospel fill us up Christ can do the rest we’re just disciples he’s the master
 

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“yes all sin, the righteous do not practice a unacceptable sin”

wait so there are some acceptable sins ? And some unacceptable sins ? Where are you getting your information ? Brother when you and I stand before Jesus Christ he’s not going to ask about your sins it’s going to be all about how you have treated other people whether you have loved them as Christ loved you forgave your sins , lifted you up when you were lost , cleansed your heart so you weren’t serving sin anymore but look here moses is not our judge Jesus is

It’s going to be about how you treated other people

“When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

…Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me:

I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? ….And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:31, 34-37, 40‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s about loving one another in deed and truth sin is ot stuff if we don’t look away from sin we can never see righteousness sin is already dead we just have to leave it behind and the way to do that is to start learning what Jesus taught for us to do

on the other hand the other group

“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

…Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:41-43, 45-46‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s no longer about “ don’t lie and cheat and steal “ it’s now about doing the right things and keeping this commandment

“Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:3, 7, 9-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬


When you see people in need and walk on by even though we can help that’s a lack of compassion a lack of love

to be clear if we forget about the law of sin and start learning the gospel we’re going to be set free of sin d won’t have to be focusing on who’s sinned or not it’s already in the tomb we just have to leave it there and walk away in the life of Christ and the gospel

Christians shouldn’t focus on sin they should focus on righteousness Jesus deals with sin the doctrine is when you realize you have sinned in some way you acknowledge it ,repent and confess and then you have the key

Blessed are the merciful for they will receive mercy

“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if we won’t forgive people we shouldn’t expect forgiveness but if we learn from Jesus he teaches us to be merciful in fact to be perfectly merciful

This the heart of Christs doctrine

Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged:

condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned:

forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom.

For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

of course brother Christians should have the attitude that we never want to sin , but when we find we have sinned and realize it that’s what mercy and grace and the doctrine of Christ is for that’s why believing his word is salvstion without it we are all here

“For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and the law doesn’t say “ forgive and you will be forgiven it says “ the sinner must be put to death “

we have to come out of the sinners doctrine and move into the repentance and righteousness of heart and the gospel and learn to love one another sin will go away if we allow it to by following the truth

it’s like a dead enemy is we keep struggling with sin we’re keeping it alive we just need to leave it in the tomb and start letting the gospel fill us up Christ can do the rest we’re just disciples he’s the master

I just showed you 2 lists that both say-will not enter Gods kingdom. So the righteous do not do those sins. There is a whole bible and if it says will not enter Gods kingdom, best to believe it. After all Jesus said--Man does not live by bread alone, but by every utterance from God. He meant it.
Right you speak of the LAW. Some sins are not in the law. Swearing isnt mentioned, masturbation isnt mentioned as keeping one out of Gods kingdom. Those 2lists keep one out of Gods kingdom. There are many little sins i am sure, but they do not say will keep one out of Gods kingdom. No one is perfect. God knows that, but those 2 lists are unacceptable. And that is why it is still grace because all sin. There is no grace if one is practicing unacceptable sins.
 

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Then at the next meeting the teacher discusses the major point to the flock, then asks the flock which points they found appreciation for, hands are raised and those tell what they liked and learned. That way if anyone misses certain points, all points get covered. There are many things that one cannot understand by themselves when reading Gods word. so they must have the teachers Jesus appointed to assure truth is being taught.
Interesting. This is basically how I would teach. I would lead the group into thought and then allow them, as a group, to work through the details. Again, I would lead the direction, but as an entire group, we would work through the entire Bible (the actual Gospel). That said, I would use a timeline, chronological reading plan to ensure that the "class" would learn the story, or more accurately, the Mysterious Plan of God. Believe it or not, even studying the Law as it spans three books of the Bible, would be exciting to me. Why? Because as laborious as it is, I would point out how if [we] think it's rough, imagine how difficult it must have been for the Blessed Jews. Impossible! Who had time to work? Anyway, that concept leads to much discussion and appreciation for what they endured according to the Law of Moses.

Solomon . . . funny, that is of major importance to me in that he worshipped Chemosh and Molech. As I have scoured the Bible, I have always looked for that passage, or set of passages, that would explain how this is possible. Solomon seems clearly to have been led and taught by the Spirit, yet he sacrificed children to fire. I sure hope they were dead FIRST. If no murderer (practicing) can receive Eternal Life, how can Solomon be Spirit filled and led? Yeah, so that's one that I never forgot after the first time I read it. Funny how different we can be. :)

I appreciate what you wrote about who the True teachers are. :)