TONGUES false teaching.

Praise God, I know when a true Miracle of God happens, it should be an awareness in our Spirit from the Holy Spirit that confirms it. I have been able to use this to present to non believers and share that God is Real not just for me, but for them as well. The one true Blessing is the local Farmers here that were a part of trying to help are Believers in God. So even for them, with Family Members that don't believe, this is a Testimony they not only can share, but several have driven past the Property so they can see in person for themselves.

It's a true Blessing from God to have Miracles for Testimonies because people can feel and sense the authenticity when you share it with them. It really moves people in person. And the fact you are able to sense it, seems like a greater Miracle that it can be felt through typed words and pictures.

Thank You!

This is your bias talking, so I forgive your insult.


I didn't call anyone a liar. If a person sincerely believes in what they are doing, they are not a liar, even if what they are doing is wrong. However, an unreliable witness they may be. Charismatics are historically notorious for Big Fish stories, so in general they are considered by the public as unreliable witnesses. I'm asking for forensic evidence. If you're unwilling to present it, then why reply here, unless you're upset that I question what you're doing?


Here is where our paths diverge. When Paul wrote that one speaking in a tongue speaks to God, he wasn't saying that tongues is designed to speak to God only. If that were the case, he would not be requiring an interpretation of it in the church, and saying that it will edify the church. Therefore, to claim that tongues is only for speaking to God is a cop-out from the challenge to interpret (translate) it. That idea is not supported in scripture.


To blindly believe something regardless of evidence is a cultic idea. Biblical faith is based on both scripture and evidence. I have no trouble believing the miracles described in scripture, as they are obvious. Not only is modern tongues NOT obviously miraculous, at close examination, the evidence shows otherwise.


This is also your bias talking. So here's my bias: I've been deceived so many times by religious people, I don't believe a word that comes out of their mouths. Unless, of course, it has the backing of scripture and evidence. Are you willing to back up what you say with evidence?

Not one slander directed at you - only truth and love in Christ.

No interpretation of Scripture was given, nor is it necessary as Scripture speaks very clear on this subject.

Speaking in Tongues, as given by the Holy Spirit, is a Great Blessing and i am Thankful to God for it - Amen.

Jesus went to a place where they didn't believe Him, and He couldn't do miracles. I can just imagine the people that lived there. "The water You turned into wine, that was just grape juice from concentrate, right?" "That leper You healed two towns over, You got any medical reports to go with that?" "Come talk to our linguist expert, see if he understands You."




Those seeking worldly proof of Spiritual things will see neither. For them the gifts have indeed ceased.

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Stop pretending that you know everything about AoG churches and what people practice in them. I already said it was in AoG that I was taught counterfeit tongues. It appears to me that you have a vested interest in denying the truth of my testimony.

sarcasm will get you nowhere.

If I quote scripture that says "do not take the name of the Lord your God in vain," and then cite an application where many are doing it, do you think me wrong? Do you think I'm trying to take spiritual authority over others? Actually, I'm merely stating what I have observed and experienced. If that offends you, I'm sorry, but love rejoices in the truth. Isn't this a discussion forum as you say?

And so does a woman.

I don't see anyone requesting to have tongues translated and evaluated. Can you show me one?

100%. Some people are saying ALL of them.

I'm not so bold as to say that, except I have heard dozens in addition to what I see on youtube, and they were ALL counterfeit.Just listen carefully to what is offered on youtube.

Write down the transliteration. Then it will be easy to see that what is spoken is nonsense. It's not language, and that's why it's called pseudo-language. All I'm asking is that you (or anyone) record your tongues, write down the transliteration, and post it in this forum. Is that too much to ask?

I've yet to see anything authentic

. Language-like doesn't make it something from God. Just because a person sincerely believes that what they are saying comes from God doesn't make it so. Just because a person is convinced that their tongues is "tongues of angels" doesn't make it so.

That's what I'm doing, but you're griping, and taking what I say out of context.

Here's the actual scenario: You claimed you have nothing to prove. I said, if you have nothing to prove, then why are you debating here? I have to assume that you are debating because you do have something to prove, that's why you're debating. Oh, excuse me, "discussing."

This is what I'm trying to find out. Instead of prejudging and rejecting everything I say, why don't you carefully read my request with an open mind?

If P/C (Pentecostal and Charismatic) leaders are acknowledging counterfeit tongues, isn't it your bias that you reject the idea?

And if it's not of God, then it's of man.

In fact, expert linguists who can translate just about any language and decode cryptic languages like Ugaritic and Hieroglyphics have stated clearly that the 'tongues' they evaluated can't convey a message because it doesn't have any language structure.

It also is something anyone can do, which has been proven to be so. In addition to that, P/C doctrine teaches the expectation that EVERYONE receiving the Spirit WILL speak in tongues. Hmm, sounds like the same thing. Yes, I do believe it's the same thing. So it's of human origin, not divine. And the fact that many religions all over the world have people who do it, is further proof.

But if you claim that your tongue is an actual language, then why aren't you taking up my request? (unless you have a vested interest in keeping people in the dark about it)

I'm starting to see that it's pointless trying to discuss this issue with you,

as you seem to be hostile to about everything I say.

Jesus went to a place where they didn't believe Him, and He couldn't do miracles. I can just imagine the people that lived there. "The water You turned into wine, that was just grape juice from concentrate, right?" "That leper You healed two towns over, You got any medical reports to go with that?" "Come talk to our linguist expert, see if he understands You."




Those seeking worldly proof of Spiritual things will see neither. For them the gifts have indeed ceased.

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Your examples are invalid, because there is no real comparison. I believe the stories in the Bible, because those are obviously miraculous. You keep on harping that I don't believe in miracles even though I told you and others I do. Even modern miracles have been documented as such. But all I hear about tongues makes me believe they are just Big Fish stories. P/Cs are notorious for them.

I proved you wrong about the scripture you quoted. Why haven't you responded to that? Are you too proud to admit that you were wrong about it? Does your belief in modern tongues depend on that wrong interpretation, and so you want to act as if you weren't proved wrong?

Finally, why won't you respond to my request for evidence? Are you afraid that if you actually do what I ask that you'll find your tongues is not a language, and then that will force you to revisit your practice? Or, will you just blindly go along with the tradition just because it makes you feel warm and fuzzy?

Are you courageous enough to have your tongue examined? After all, if you have the authentic gift like Acts 2, you should want it proved out. You then could rejoice in the truth of it, and I would rejoice with you. But if you refuse, then what am I to think, except that it's not up for evaluation because it's probably a Big Fish story?

Don't waste your breath sister, he thinks he knows about Aog and other fellowships because he says he was taught wrong by them.

in fact, he ignores the statement of faith and the 16 fundamental truths they have listed on the AOG web page all backed by the word of God. He attacks those he disagrees with then tries to use linguists to validate the unbiblical position he has. Just a hater.

You provided a biblical context in which he just mocked and scoffed. I am shocked he has not too you to be quiet because you are a woman.

Honestly I wouldn't brag on church hopping.

To whom are you speaking sister?

A while back I was an online acquaintance of a guy who was very angry at God, and questioning if God even existed. He eventually told me that he and his fiancé were thinking about becoming Christians, but before they could make that decision she died. He was angry that God could take her and consign her to hell knowing she was considering becoming 'saved'.

One night I'm praying in the Spirit about him, and I get this vision of legions of angels rushing into what I interpreted as a cave or tunnel. When I told him about this, he was taken aback.

Turns out his girl was killed in an auto accident under a freeway overpass.

I then told him to not be so sure she didn't make her decision. That softened his stand against God.

If meaningless babble can bring someone closer to God, then babble away my friends!

What's the moral of this story dear

it is not good to judge a large group based on the behavior of a few within that group.

i will give an example- i have interacted with s.ome ellen white following seventh day advents.

if we met in real life, we would most likely get into a fist fight,

they are nasty false teachers , saying that anyone who doubted ms. white as a prophet and did not keep the Sabbath are the ones who will get the mark of the beast.

does that mean all s . d . a. 's are like that ?

no, of course not.

this applies across the whole Christian faith...

A while back I was an online acquaintance of a guy who was very angry at God, and questioning if God even existed. He eventually told me that he and his fiancé were thinking about becoming Christians, but before they could make that decision she died. He was angry that God could take her and consign her to hell knowing she was considering becoming 'saved'.

One night I'm praying in the Spirit about him, and I get this vision of legions of angels rushing into what I interpreted as a cave or tunnel. When I told him about this, he was taken aback.

Turns out his girl was killed in an auto accident under a freeway overpass.

I then told him to not be so sure she didn't make her decision. That softened his stand against God.

If meaningless babble can bring someone closer to God, then babble away my friends!

To whom ever bragging on church hopping

If tongues are false, how did a false act result in a spiritual vison that brought someone closer to God?

No offense, but sheesh, do I really have to spell it out for you?