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  • they are not experts on the word of God
  • they're not experts on the gifts of the Holy Spirit
  • they are not authorities or even valid tools for the understanding of the word of God
  • they are not Greek or Hebrew Translators of the word of God
  • They are not learned in Christian theology
  • They are secular
Linguists are also translators and many are Christians. Also, those doing Secular Studies while studying Tongues correctly translated as Languages one does not have to be an expert on the Bible. It is just plan silly to claim they are not qualified to study external appearance of so-called tongues.

I cor 12
7 Something from the Spirit can be seen in each person. The Spirit gives this to each one to help others. 8 The Spirit gives one person the ability to speak with wisdom. And the same Spirit gives another person the ability to speak with knowledge. 9 The same Spirit gives faith to one person and to another he gives gifts of healing. 10 The Spirit gives to one person the power to do miracles, to another the ability to prophesy, and to another the ability to judge what is from the Spirit and what is not. The Spirit gives one person the ability to speak in different kinds of languages, and to another the ability to interpret those languages. 11 One Spirit, the same Spirit, does all these things. The Spirit decides what to give each one.
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27 All of you together are the body of Christ. Each one of you is a part of that body. 28 And in the church God has given a place first to apostles, second to prophets, and third to teachers. Then God has given a place to those who do miracles, those who have gifts of healing, those who can help others, those who are able to lead, and those who can speak in different kinds of languages. 29 Not all are apostles. Not all are prophets. Not all are teachers. Not all do miracles. 30 Not all have gifts of healing. Not all speak in different kinds of languages. Not all interpret those languages. 31 Continue to give your attention to the spiritual gifts you consider to be the greatest. But now I want to point out a way of life that is even greater.

I cor 13:8 Love will never end. But all those gifts will come to an end—even the gift of prophecy, the gift of speaking in different kinds of languages, and the gift of knowledge.

1 Corinthians 14
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Use Spiritual Gifts to Help the Church
14 Love should be the goal of your life, but you should also want to have the gifts that come from the Spirit. And the gift you should want most is to be able to prophesy. 2 I will explain why. Those who have the gift of speaking in a different language are not speaking to people. They are speaking to God. No one understands them—they are speaking secret things through the Spirit. 3 But those who prophesy are speaking to people. They help people grow stronger in faith, and they give encouragement and comfort. 4 Those who speak in a different language are helping only themselves. But those who prophesy are helping the whole church.

5 I would like all of you to have the gift of speaking in different languages. But what I want more is for you to prophesy. Anyone who prophesies is more important than those who can only speak in different languages. However, if they can also interpret those languages, they are as important as the one who prophesies. If they can interpret, then the church can be helped by what they say.

6 Brothers and sisters, will it help you if I come to you speaking in different languages? No, it will help you only if I bring you a new truth or some knowledge, prophecy, or teaching. 7 This is true even with lifeless things that make sounds—like a flute or a harp. If the different musical notes are not made clear, you can’t understand what song is being played. Each note must be played clearly for you to be able to understand the tune. 8 And in a war, if the trumpet does not sound clearly, the soldiers will not know it is time to prepare for fighting.

9 It is the same with you. If you don’t speak clearly in a language people know, they cannot understand what you are saying. You will be talking to the air! 10 It is true that there are many different languages in the world, and they all have meaning. 11 But if I don’t understand the meaning of what someone is saying, it will just be strange sounds to me, and I will sound just as strange to them. 12 That’s why you who want spiritual gifts so much should prefer those gifts that help the church grow stronger.

13 So those who have the gift of speaking in a different language should pray that they can also interpret what they say. 14 If I pray in a different language, my spirit is praying, but my mind does nothing. 15 So what should I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind. I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my mind. 16 You might be praising God with your spirit. But someone there without understanding cannot say “Amen” to your prayer of thanks, because they don’t know what you are saying. 17 You may be thanking God in a good way, but others are not helped.

18 I thank God that my gift of speaking in different kinds of languages is greater than any of yours. 19 But in the church meetings I would rather speak five words that I understand than thousands of words in a different language. I would rather speak with my understanding, so that I can teach others.

20 Brothers and sisters, don’t think like children. In evil things be like babies, but in your thinking you should be like full-grown adults. 21 As the Scriptures[a] say,

“Using those who speak a different language
and using the lips of foreigners,
I will speak to these people.
But even then, they will not obey me.”

This is what the Lord says.

22 And from this we see that the use of different languages shows how God deals with those who don’t believe, not with those who believe. And prophecy shows how God works through those who believe, not through unbelievers. 23 Suppose the whole church meets together and you all speak in different languages. If some people come in who are without understanding or don’t believe, they will say you are crazy. 24 But suppose you are all prophesying and someone comes in who does not believe or who is without understanding. Their sin will be shown to them, and they will be judged by everything you say. 25 The secret things in their heart will be made known. So they will bow down and worship God. They will say, “Without a doubt, God is here with you.”

Your Meetings Should Be Helpful to All
26 So, brothers and sisters, what should you do? When you meet together, one person has a song, another has a teaching, and another has a new truth from God. One person speaks in a different language, and another interprets that language. The purpose of whatever you do should be to help everyone grow stronger in faith. 27 When you meet together, if anyone speaks to the group in a different language, it should be only two or no more than three people who do this. And they should speak one after the other. And someone else should interpret what they say. 28 But if there is no interpreter, then anyone who speaks in a different language should be quiet in the church meeting. They should speak only to themselves and to God.

29 And only two or three prophets should speak. The others should judge what they say. 30 And if a message from God comes to someone who is sitting, the first speaker should be quiet. 31 You can all prophesy one after the other. This way everyone can be taught and encouraged. 32 The spirits of prophets are under the control of the prophets themselves. 33 God is not a God of confusion but a God of peace. This is the rule for all the meetings of God’s people.

34 The women should keep quiet in these church meetings. They are not allowed to speak out but should be under authority, as the Law of Moses says. 35 If there is something they want to know, they should ask their own husbands at home. It is shameful for a woman to speak up like that in the church meeting.

36 God’s teaching did not come from you, and you are not the only ones who have received it. 37 If you think you are a prophet or that you have a spiritual gift, you should understand that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command. 38 If you do not accept this, you will not be accepted.

39 So my brothers and sisters, continue to give your attention to prophesying. And don’t stop anyone from using the gift of speaking in different languages. 40 But everything should be done in a way that is right and orderly.
 

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This series is dedicated to the development and promotion of linguistically informed study of the Bible in its original languages. Biblical studies has greatly benefited from modern theoretical and applied linguistics, but stands poised to benefit from further integration of the two fields of study. Most linguistics has studied contemporary languages, and attempts to apply linguistic methods to the study of ancient languages requires systematic re-assessment of their approaches. This series is designed to address such challenges, by providing a venue for linguistically based analysis of the languages of the Bible. As a result, monograph-length studies and collections of essays in the major areas of linguistics, such as syntax, semantics, pragmatics, discourse analysis and text linguistics, corpus linguistics, cognitive linguistics, comparative linguistics, and the like, will be encouraged, and any theoretical linguistic approach will be considered, both formal and functional. Primary consideration is given to the Greek of the New and Old Testaments and of other relevant ancient authors, but studies in Hebrew, Coptic, and other related languages will be entertained as appropriate.

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I recently heard this text used against speaking in tongues, languages. What is your understanding of the text. I think the speaker are very young children.

Isaiah 28
9 Who is the Lord trying to teach? To whom is he explaining a message? Those just weaned from milk! Those just taken from their mother's breast! 10 Indeed, they will hear meaningless gibberish, senseless babbling, a syllable here, a syllable there. 11 For with mocking lips and a foreign tongue he will speak to these people. 12 In the past he said to them, "This is where security can be found. Provide security for the one who is exhausted! This is where rest can be found." But they refused to listen.
13 So the Lord's word to them will sound like meaningless gibberish, senseless babbling, a syllable here, a syllable there. As a result, they will fall on their backsides when they try to walk, and be injured, ensnared, and captured.
 

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Matthew 6:9-13
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9 So this is how you should pray:

‘Our Father in heaven,
we pray that your name will always be kept holy.
10 We pray that your kingdom will come—
that what you want will be done here on earth, the same as in heaven.
11 Give us the food we need for today.
12 Forgive our sins,
just as we have forgiven those who did wrong to us.
13 Don’t let us be tempted,
but save us from the Evil One.

Jesus taught his disciple to pray out loud, openly. demons are limited creatures and God will hear our prayers before they can do anything. God would know our thoughts before we speak.

To my knowledge, prayers not in faith, sin and wrong motives derail our prayers.
 

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Those who believe the Good News and all it entails do indeed believe in things yet unseen, and what we believe is foolharty to those who are adrift, lost.
 

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Friend record individual speakers and out line the sentences. Good Luck with that since there is a lot of meaningless repetition.

Matthew 6:7-8
“And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words. So do not be like them; for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.
What does this rejoinder have to do with what I hav e posted? Sorry you are allowing intellignece to be surpassed by folly and da lack of reason.
 

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Each language group nation uses parts of their own language while speaking in tongues.
There is an incredible amount of similarity between phonetic sounds between languages. English uses the same sounds as Spanish or French with some mild variations. What languages do not have some variation of /b/, /d/, /g/ or /p/,/t/,/k/. I studied eight seven or eight languages, depending on how you count them, that all have sounds in common.

Challenge would be to record messages by secular people in uncommon languages that you have a transcript in English of the meaning. Ask Tongue interpreters to give their understanding. None will have the same interpretation and none will have the correct meaning that matches the transcript.
Why would you think the gift of interpretation operation operates this way? Experientially, from what I gather from conversing with speakers in tongues is that they receive an interpretation like one receives a prophecy at times when the gift of tongues is in operation or maybe immediately after it. They may either get the first words and go on from there or the whole thing at once. Sometimes two people get the same interpretation and someone else starts off before the other one gets it and the message is the same. Similar things happen with prophecies. I Corinthians 14:13 says for the one who speaks in an unknown tongue to pray that he may interpret.

If you approach the issue from a historical perspective without an anti-supernatural bias, you can find evidence for such things occurring. There are multiple people who witness to speaking in tongues in a known language at Azusa Street. An interview with one of the people there said that is what drew the crowds. Agnes Ozman some years earlier had languages she spoke identified as Chinese and Bohemian. Various missionaries have experienced similar things.

I have spoken with at least four people who have either heard a language they knew spoken 'in tongues' or understood a language spoken in tongues, and I can think of one other individual I have corresponded with.
 

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The gift of tongues is a very powerful gift to the person who receives it -----when you come across a difficult situation and you have no idea how to pray about it -----you can rely on the Holy Spirit who will pray for you about the problem ------also you can use tongues in intercessory prayers when you pray for another person--When you pray in the Spirit you are praying directly to God Himself by the Spirit ----when you pray in English Satan has access to block your prayers by putting doubt and fear in your thoughts that your prayer won't be answered ----
I believe in speaking in tongues, but where does the Bible say tongues is intercessory or that Satan can block prayers in English, or whatever other language we know? if I pray to God, I should believe God to answer my prayers. If I were afraid Satan would block my prayer, that might hinder my faith, so I do not think this is a good or helpful teaching, and I cannot find it in the Bible. Paul said he would pray with the spirit and he would pray with the understanding.

If you speak in tongues and you don't know what you are praying, you do not know if you are praying for your needs, but Paul 'Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; .' (Philippians 4:6, NKJV). If we aren't to be anxious, why should we be anxious about Satan interfering with our prayers? And if we do not know what we prayed, how do we know if we let our requests be made known to God with prayer and supplication? We need to pray with the understanding also.
 

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There is an incredible amount of similarity between phonetic sounds between languages. English uses the same sounds as Spanish or French with some mild variations. What languages do not have some variation of /b/, /d/, /g/ or /p/,/t/,/k/. I studied eight seven or eight languages, depending on how you count them, that all have sounds in common.



Why would you think the gift of interpretation operation operates this way? Experientially, from what I gather from conversing with speakers in tongues is that they receive an interpretation like one receives a prophecy at times when the gift of tongues is in operation or maybe immediately after it. They may either get the first words and go on from there or the whole thing at once. Sometimes two people get the same interpretation and someone else starts off before the other one gets it and the message is the same. Similar things happen with prophecies. I Corinthians 14:13 says for the one who speaks in an unknown tongue to pray that he may interpret.

If you approach the issue from a historical perspective without an anti-supernatural bias, you can find evidence for such things occurring. There are multiple people who witness to speaking in tongues in a known language at Azusa Street. An interview with one of the people there said that is what drew the crowds. Agnes Ozman some years earlier had languages she spoke identified as Chinese and Bohemian. Various missionaries have experienced similar things.

I have spoken with at least four people who have either heard a language they knew spoken 'in tongues' or understood a language spoken in tongues, and I can think of one other individual I have corresponded with.
a BIT OFF THE op BUT ON YOUR REPLY. lIVING IN sPAIN, IT ALWAYS IRKS ME TO NO END WHEN n English speaking people who have lived here some tome consistently mispromounce wo many words when speaking Spainich just because of your mention here of having the same sounds in their native tongeue.

Here is one example, the word for worker is trabajador. Some English will say Traba ka dor instead of traba ha dor. Idt quite easily pronounced using the English counterparts to the Spanish sounds but they would drather mispronounce it it seems. It irks me because we are gueests in their country and whenever posssible, aside for a natural accent we should use our counterpart pronuciations since they are there and perfectly pronoucable.

God bless all Spanish speaking folks and all of other languages also, amen.
 

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Linguists are also translators and many are Christians. Also, those doing Secular Studies while studying Tongues correctly translated as Languages one does not have to be an expert on the Bible. It is just plan silly to claim they are not qualified to study external appearance of so-called tongues.

I cor 12
7 Something from the Spirit can be seen in each person. The Spirit gives this to each one to help others. 8 The Spirit gives one person the ability to speak with wisdom. And the same Spirit gives another person the ability to speak with knowledge. 9 The same Spirit gives faith to one person and to another he gives gifts of healing. 10 The Spirit gives to one person the power to do miracles, to another the ability to prophesy, and to another the ability to judge what is from the Spirit and what is not. The Spirit gives one person the ability to speak in different kinds of languages, and to another the ability to interpret those languages. 11 One Spirit, the same Spirit, does all these things. The Spirit decides what to give each one.
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27 All of you together are the body of Christ. Each one of you is a part of that body. 28 And in the church God has given a place first to apostles, second to prophets, and third to teachers. Then God has given a place to those who do miracles, those who have gifts of healing, those who can help others, those who are able to lead, and those who can speak in different kinds of languages. 29 Not all are apostles. Not all are prophets. Not all are teachers. Not all do miracles. 30 Not all have gifts of healing. Not all speak in different kinds of languages. Not all interpret those languages. 31 Continue to give your attention to the spiritual gifts you consider to be the greatest. But now I want to point out a way of life that is even greater.


5 I would like all of you to have the gift of speaking in different languages. But what I want more is for you to prophesy. Anyone who prophesies is more important than those who can only speak in different languages. However, if they can also interpret those languages, they are as important as the one who prophesies. If they can interpret, then the church can be helped by what they say.

6 Brothers and sisters, will it help you if I come to you speaking in different languages? No, it will help you only if I bring you a new truth or some knowledge, prophecy, or teaching. 7 This is true even with lifeless things that make sounds—like a flute or a harp. If the different musical notes are not made clear, you can’t understand what song is being played. Each note must be played clearly for you to be able to understand the tune. 8 And in a war, if the trumpet does not sound clearly, the soldiers will not know it is time to prepare for fighting.

9 It is the same with you. If you don’t speak clearly in a language people know, they cannot understand what you are saying. You will be talking to the air! 10 It is true that there are many different languages in the world, and they all have meaning. 11 But if I don’t understand the meaning of what someone is saying, it will just be strange sounds to me, and I will sound just as strange to them. 12 That’s why you who want spiritual gifts so much should prefer those gifts that help the church grow stronger.

13 So those who have the gift of speaking in a different language should pray that they can also interpret what they say. 14 If I pray in a different language, my spirit is praying, but my mind does nothing. 15 So what should I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind. I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my mind. 16 You might be praising God with your spirit. But someone there without understanding cannot say “Amen” to your prayer of thanks, because they don’t know what you are saying. 17 You may be thanking God in a good way, but others are not helped.

18 I thank God that my gift of speaking in different kinds of languages is greater than any of yours. 19 But in the church meetings I would rather speak five words that I understand than thousands of words in a different language. I would rather speak with my understanding, so that I can teach others.

20 Brothers and sisters, don’t think like children. In evil things be like babies, but in your thinking you should be like full-grown adults. 21 As the Scriptures[a] say,

“Using those who speak a different language
and using the lips of foreigners,
I will speak to these people.
But even then, they will not obey me.”

This is what the Lord says.

22 And from this we see that the use of different languages shows how God deals with those who don’t believe, not with those who believe. And prophecy shows how God works through those who believe, not through unbelievers. 23 Suppose the whole church meets together and you all speak in different languages. If some people come in who are without understanding or don’t believe, they will say you are crazy. 24 But suppose you are all prophesying and someone comes in who does not believe or who is without understanding. Their sin will be shown to them, and they will be judged by everything you say. 25 The secret things in their heart will be made known. So they will bow down and worship God. They will say, “Without a doubt, God is here with you.”

Please post the version of the Bible You used above for 1cor chapter 12 through 14.


You are creating a false narrative and "linguists" are not theologians. Your confidence in "linguist" to provide the Biblical interpretation of the scriptures is one of the most errored things I have seen. It is nothing but window dressing Eisegesis.


Let's look at your use of scriptures in this post above.





1. "Secular Studies while studying Tongues correctly translated as Languages one does not have to be an expert on the Bible. "

This is a very troubling thing coming from those who claim to be Evangelical and fundamentalist, in context to the word of God.
The Context of the gifts of the Holy Spirit which speaks in tongues is one by the power of the Holy Spirit where "interpretation IS ALSO A GIFT GIVEN BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, not to a linguist who learned a language ay UC Berleky. !cor 12 :10-11


10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.


Nowhere in the text does it say "linguist" are the exceptions. The Holy Spirit is the person ONLY!


2. "It is just plan silly to claim they are not qualified to study external appearance of so-called tongues."


This is where human reasoning replaced proper exegesis of the text which changed the context and interpretation.

A "linguist" is not the method used in scripture to Interpret one who speaks in tongues. The interpretation is not a translation. That is where those like you errored.

The gifts are operated by the Inspiration of the Holy Spirit not man's intellect why? So God gets the Glory not man's ability to do.

Of course "linguists" would say this is not a real language, because they are limited in this supernature Gift of the Holy Spirit to Interpret without being given the gift of Interpretation as 1cor 12:10-11 to do so WITHOUT the Help of the Holy Spirit. AS the word of God states. The Carnal mind of the "linguist" is stomped, so they attack what they don't know or can know.

The Gifts of the Holy Spirit are for the church, not the worldly canal secular humanistic intellect. They are Spiritually discerned.

UC Berkley and others like it are not the way to know the gifts. YOU don't look outside the word of God to understand the word of God.

you must :

1. be saved
2. studied the word of God
3. Pray for understanding as the Holy Spirit teaches you. John chapter 14-16



Things that are helpful but not to replace the above:


  1. sound biblical commentaries Strongs / Vines and other
  2. Bible Dictionaries
  3. proven teachers who are saved
  4. geographical historical biblical locations like Iraq, Isreal, Egpyt which all I have personally been to and other places.

UC = UNgodly Colleges are not authoritative or what is best for the Christian to use.
 

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I recently heard this text used against speaking in tongues, languages. What is your understanding of the text. I think the speaker are very young children.

Isaiah 28
9 Who is the Lord trying to teach? To whom is he explaining a message? Those just weaned from milk! Those just taken from their mother's breast! 10 Indeed, they will hear meaningless gibberish, senseless babbling, a syllable here, a syllable there. 11 For with mocking lips and a foreign tongue he will speak to these people. 12 In the past he said to them, "This is where security can be found. Provide security for the one who is exhausted! This is where rest can be found." But they refused to listen.
13 So the Lord's word to them will sound like meaningless gibberish, senseless babbling, a syllable here, a syllable there. As a result, they will fall on their backsides when they try to walk, and be injured, ensnared, and captured.
changing the word of God to make it fit your false narrative is about as low as one can go. I would be very careful with your scoffing and mocking of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit. You have been warned.
 

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"when you pray in English Satan has access to block your prayers by putting doubt and fear in your thoughts that your prayer won't be answered "

Prove this please.
TheLearner ------does God cause fear and doubt --NO --Satan does ---and How does Satan cause this by and through our thoughts ---God Himself gave Satan full reign to attack our thought ------

Born Again people are Holy in Spirit but we still are in the flesh and we still sin and Satan can still put doubt about answered prayer in our thoughts ------we need to keep our thought life on God's word -----the Helmet is part of the armour that we true Christians should be wearing everyday as we are in a Spiritual Battle still with our thoughts ------Satan can and does cause Born again Christians to feel guilty when we sin and then he can cause you to doubt that you are worthy to have your prayer answered ------There is many scriptures about keeping your mind on the things of God and casting down bad thoughts -----when you pray and you feel bad about something you did Satan then has full reign to block your prayer by doubt and fear that God will not answer your prayer -----see Scriptures below ----

It sounds like TheLearner --you don't know how your enemy works ------and that is very dangerous when your are in a Spiritual War every Minute of every Day -----Satan is still the God of this world and as access to all people including Born Again people who have not become Grounded and rooted in God;s Faith and His Word -----Peter is a perfgect example of that ---Peter when he focused on Jesus being a mere man Walked on water ---but then when his focus went from Jesus to the wind ---He Sank ------

Can Satan Block Prayers Understanding The Spiritual World In Daniel 10
http://folcc.org/can-satan-block-prayers-understanding-the-spiritual-world-in-daniel-10/

Many believers have asked this question: Can Satan block prayers? In this audio message, given on April 8, 2018 Pastor Bob explains this subject. Can Satan block prayers? Yes! He blocked Daniels answer for 21 days. He hindered Paul’s plans. Can Satan block prayers today? Sure he can, but God’s word gives us an understanding of how to defeat our adversary and win. He can delay but not deny our answer.
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this is Forerunner Commentary on Daniel 10 -----

Daniel 10:8-13 KjV


This was an awesome being of power, so great that ordinarily strong, valiant men were so frightened that they ran. Yet something withstood this great being to his face and kept him from getting to Daniel for three full weeks. We cannot even begin to imagine the titanic struggle that went on between, say, Gabriel and this other being. There must have been such an awesome wrestling match as men have never been witness to.

Whatever it was that withheld Gabriel from getting to Daniel must have been awfully powerful. Notice too that this great struggle was going on without Daniel even being aware of it.
Somehow a malignant demon tried to thwart Daniel's prayer from being answered.



James 1:6-7-8 GNT
But when you pray, you must believe and not doubt at all. Whoever doubts is like a wave in the sea that is driven and blown about by the wind. If you are like that, unable to make up your mind and undecided in all you do, you must not think that you will receive anything from the Lord.


The Parable of the Sower-----Mark 4 see verse verse 15

13 Then Jesus said to them, “Don’t you understand this parable? How then will you understand any parable? 14 The farmer sows the word.

15 Some people are like seed along the path, where the word is sown. As soon as they hear it, Satan comes and takes away the word that was sown in them.

16 Others, like seed sown on rocky places, hear the word and at once receive it with joy. 17 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. 18 Still others, like seed sown among thorns, hear the word; 19 but the worries of this life, the deceitfulness of wealth and the desires for other things come in and choke the word, making it unfruitful. 20 Others, like seed sown on good soil, hear the word, accept it, and produce a crop—some thirty, some sixty, some a hundred times what was sown.”


2 Corinthians 10:5
King James Versio

5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;



Romans 12:2

Amplified Bible
2 And do not be conformed to this world [any longer with its superficial values and customs], but be [a]transformed and progressively changed [as you mature spiritually] by the renewing of your mind [focusing on godly values and ethical attitudes], so that you may prove [for yourselves] what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect [in His plan and purpose for you].


I say ---know how your Enemy works Folks ------you in a Spiritual Battle every minute of every day ------
and you win or loose the battle in your mind ------

 

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see my recent post-----post #1,0i7 -----

I said you can use speaking in tongues when praying for someone else which is intercessory prayer ------you can pray for others in English as well ------- for instance ----If you have a friend who is sick in the Hospital you can pray for that person in tongues just as you can pray for the person in English ----

I am praying in tongues every day for my brother who was diagnosed with Cancer recently -----that is intercessory prayer -----
 

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There is an incredible amount of similarity between phonetic sounds between languages. English uses the same sounds as Spanish or French with some mild variations. What languages do not have some variation of /b/, /d/, /g/ or /p/,/t/,/k/. I studied eight seven or eight languages, depending on how you count them, that all have sounds in common.



Why would you think the gift of interpretation operation operates this way? Experientially, from what I gather from conversing with speakers in tongues is that they receive an interpretation like one receives a prophecy at times when the gift of tongues is in operation or maybe immediately after it. They may either get the first words and go on from there or the whole thing at once. Sometimes two people get the same interpretation and someone else starts off before the other one gets it and the message is the same. Similar things happen with prophecies. I Corinthians 14:13 says for the one who speaks in an unknown tongue to pray that he may interpret.

If you approach the issue from a historical perspective without an anti-supernatural bias, you can find evidence for such things occurring. There are multiple people who witness to speaking in tongues in a known language at Azusa Street. An interview with one of the people there said that is what drew the crowds. Agnes Ozman some years earlier had languages she spoke identified as Chinese and Bohemian. Various missionaries have experienced similar things.

I have spoken with at least four people who have either heard a language they knew spoken 'in tongues' or understood a language spoken in tongues, and I can think of one other individual I have corresponded with.
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French and Latin words make up 58 % of modern English vocabulary today. On their own, purely French words make up 29% of English.

It’s generally thought that around 10,000 words have been borrowed into English from French. Of those, according to this source, there are over 1,700 “true cognates” – that is, words that not only look the same or similar, but have exactly the same meaning in both languages.

...

Like English, French has many suffixes. A number of these come from Latin. These include:

-ation. Examples: nation/la nation ; information/l’information
-tion. Examples: acceleration/l’accélération ; attention/attention
-ssion. Examples: mission/une mission ; passion/la passion
-able. Examples : capable/capable ; table/la table ; adorable/adorable
-isme. Examples: Impressionism/l’impressionnisme ; racism/le racisme
-if/ive. Examples: furtive/furtif/furtive; creative/créatif/créative

...

Here are some of the most common food- and dining -related words that are the same (or extremely similar) in French and English:

à la carte : when you want to order individual dishes which are not part of a pre-established sequence of courses.
menu
apéritif
café (a type of restaurant)
picnic
salade
soupe
omelette
bon appétit
hors d’œuvre
vinaigrette
restaurant
alcool (This word was originally borrowed into French from Arabic, by way of Latin)
chef (This means boss in French and not only “cook”.)
British English speakers also often use some common French food words, including:

cornichon
gateau
courgette
aubergine"
https://frenchtogether.com/french-words-in-english/

Read rest of that above article and those that follow for more examples.

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How many French words are there in English?
There exists around 7,000 French words in the English language at present.

Believe it or not, though, there were plenty more English words that came from French (and typically Latin) roots originally – around 10,000, to be exact."
https://blog.busuu.com/french-words-in-english/

Google french words used in english pdf there was About 1,100,000,000 results (0.61 seconds) .


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Google spanish words used in english pdf About 460,000,000 results (0.58 seconds)
German words used in english pdf About 1,590,000,000 results (0.87 seconds)
Latin words used in english pdf About 155,000,000 results (0.64 seconds)

Choose any common language like that. You will find that English is no way "pure" English only.