Jesus Came To Fulfill Not To Destroy

MOSES' LAW
Called "the law of Moses" (Luke 2:22).
Called "law ... contained in ordinances" (Ephesians 2:15).
Written by Moses in a book (2 Chronicles 35:12).
Placed in the side of the ark (Deuteronomy 31:26).
Ended at the cross (Ephesians 2:15).
Added because of sin (Galatians 3:19).
Contrary to us, against us (Colossians 2:14).
Judges no one (Colossians 2:14-16).
Fleshly (Hebrews 7:16).
Made nothing perfect (Hebrews 7:19).

GOD'S LAW
Called "the law of the Lord" (Isaiah 5:24).
Called "the royal law" (James 2:8).
Written by God on stone (Exodus 31:18 32:16).
Placed inside the ark (Exodus 40:20).
Will stand forever (Luke 16:17).
Points out sin (Romans 7:7 3:20).
Not burdensome (1 John 5:3).
Judges all people (James 2:10-12).
Spiritual (Romans 7:14).
Perfect (Psalms 19:7).

Again, works demonstrate whether we love Jesus or hate Jesus, and our choice to love Him or hate Him is what determines our destiny. Choice is not work, it's thought. Yes, I know it's an unwelcome truth to those who love sin. They should join the RCC, seeing that here is the real reason why so many "Protestants" fiercely defend her:

Part of the new testament is Law.

You didn't know this?

Which is it? Either Paul is putting us under a yoke of bondage by telling us to keep commandments that are part of the Ten Commandments......OR.....Paul doesn't consider keeping God's commandments to be a "yoke" of bondage unless we're trying to earn salvation by that, right or wrong?.

BTW, "...His commandments are not grievous" to them that love Him, but those that despise Him will fight Him tooth and nail to be free from their obligatory "reasonable service". Church is full of em.

You should try reading all of God's word instead of cherry picking what suits you. Lord Jesus fulfilled the Law already. He said on the cross, "It is finished". Galatians makes it clear what legalism is and where it leads to. Unless, of course, you are not yet saved. In which case, you are under the law.

1 Timothy 1:7-9

They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not understand what they are saying or that which they so confidently assert. Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it legitimately. We (but not you) realize that law is not enacted for the righteous, but for the lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinful, for the unholy and profane, for killers of father or mother, for murderers,…

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God does not need proof. He can look into your soul and know the truth

Works justify us before men. They will never justify us before God.

its funny how you mock the RCC. yet when you come to it. your really just like them. Use works as a means to earn eternal life. instead of looking toGod the author and finisher of your faith. in the god who as paul said, is confident of the fact, that he who began a good work in ALL of his children. will complete it.

Wrong.

Yes, God looks upon the heart of those who wave their arms high in church but refuse to obey Him and sees hatred for Him covered over by their willful ignorance and OSAS delusion, and that's why He's going to cast them into the Lake of Fire.

"He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments is a liar, and the truth (Jesus is the Truth) is not in him." --1 John 2:4 KJV

Hi there, when John the Baptist protested against baptizing Jesus, He said that doing so would "fulfill all righteousness".

If we're going to interpret "I am not come to destroy (the law), but to fulfill" to mean the law is done away with, then we must interpret "fulfill all righteousness" to mean righteousness is now done away with, right or wrong?

So, how can "he that is righteous, let him be righteous still" (Revelation 22:11 KJV) be possible if there's no more righteousness?

Obviously, "fulfill the law" does not mean the law is done away with - it means "to fill full" or "to keep". Jesus is our example and He kept the same Ten Commandments He wants to empower us to keep, as our Christian "reasonable service" duty which "God before ordained that we should walk in them."

I don’t hate God I love him, and I honor him and his promise

I don’t dishonor him by trying to use my works to get him to save me

Remember those he casts away, He said he never knew them

A child of God can;t sin, if they can;t sin, they can;t lose salvation.

Hi there, when John the Baptist protested against baptizing Jesus, He said that doing so would "fulfill all righteousness".

If we're going to interpret "I am not come to destroy (the law), but to fulfill" to mean the law is done away with, then we must interpret "fulfill all righteousness" to mean righteousness is now done away with, right or wrong?

So, how can "he that is righteous, let him be righteous still" (Revelation 22:11 KJV) be possible if there's no more righteousness?

Obviously, "fulfill the law" does not mean the law is done away with - it means "to fill full" or "to keep". Jesus is our example and He kept the same Ten Commandments He wants to empower us to keep, as our Christian "reasonable service" duty which "God before ordained that we should walk in them."

You miss the point entirely. When I come to God in my morning prayer time, it is clothed in the righteousness of Christ. The way is made open by the precious shed blood of Christ. I do not analyse how well I've kept the law before I dare to approach God.

You talk about righteousness. It's not a "thing", it is a Person. The sermon on the mount makes it clear that the 10 commandments are only superficial compared to the righteousness of God. The Law is the shadow. You may be content to live in the shadows. I prefer the light. You might like to live by rules and regulations. I prefer to live according to the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. The Law demands that I do something for God. Grace is God doing for me what I cannot do myself.

I will sometime in the next 20 years or so stand before my Saviour and Lord. My declaration will not be what I've done for Jesus. It will be what He has done for me. His salvation is so good that even I cannot mess it up.

Ephesians 2:15
"having annulled in His flesh the law of commandments in ordinances, so that He might create in Himself the two into one new man, "making peace," Berean literal translation.

Other versions use "abolish" instead of "annul".

Definition of annul: Annulment is a legal procedure within secular and religious legal systems for declaring a marriage null and void. Unlike divorce, it is usually retroactive, meaning that an annulled marriage is considered to be invalid from the beginning almost as if it had never taken place. Marriage is a covenant relationship between a man and a woman. The Law is a covenant relationship between Israel and God. It has been annulled.

Definition of abolish: Formally put an end to (a system, practice, or institution).

Whichever word you use, or whatever translation you care to use, the meaning is crystal clear. The Law no longer has any effect on a born again Christian. I am not making this up. It's in your Bible too.

A child of God can't sin unless he decided to no longer be a child of God, at which time he can split hell wide open.

Remember this? The Unmerciful Servant ("sinner") was totally forgiven by his Master ("God") of his impossible debt ("wages of sin") and knew so because he ceased from his begging and walked out into the street a free man....only to have his original impossible debt ("wages of sin") reinstated because he refused to allow his character to be transformed by grace -- and his inward choice resulted in the outward mistreatment of his fellowservant.

His actions aka "works" didn't condemn him, it was his choice to reject the transforming power of his Master's grace that condemned him.

I asked a question, I didn't make a statement.

I asked:

(A) Is Paul putting us under the law by telling us to not steal, honor our parents, and observe the other Ten Commandments......OR......(B) does he consider obedience only "a yoke of bondage" when it is attempted in order to try and earn salvation?

It's either the one or the other - there is no (C) no matter how much the OSAS crowd reees and screams.

In (Matthew 5:17), Jesus made the statement Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. He came not to destroy the law, or the prophets, but to fulfill. Based on that statement many ministers have taught their congregation that the arrival of Jesus did away with the Old Testament along with its laws, statutes and Judgements. They even make the statement, to their congregation, that they are no longer under the Old Testament, but now operate under the New. So you have people believing that the Old Testament is no longer relevant today. One needs only to further examine the scriptures to find out, how incorrect that position is.

In (Matthew 5:18), Jesus Himself states For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Now you will find in a concordance that jot and tittle mean letter. Here Jesus clearly states that not one letter of the law will be changed as long as heaven and earth exist. We know that the law came from the Old Testament so based solely on (Matthew 5:18), it nor the Old Testament can not be done away with.

There is clearly a discrepancy between what is being taught and what the scriptures say. The fact, that Jesus came to fulfill is known, because that is what is stated in (Matthew 5:17). But one needs to find out what He was to fulfill, since that is the condition put forth in (Matthew 5:18), when He said no letter would pass from the law until all is fulfilled. You will see the information needed to answer this will be found in the Old Testament. This itself serves as further proof as to how erroneous the position of doing away with the Old Testament is. Let's focus on what Jesus was referring to when He said He came not to destroy the law, but to fulfill and His position on the commandments.

The Gospel of Luke, will reveal what Jesus meant when He said in (Matthew 5:17 & 18), that He came to fulfill and no letter would pass from the law until all is fulfilled. Looking at Luke chapter 24:14-44, you will find that , this is when Jesus had been crucified and Peter and others were at the grave site and they were contemplating the events that had occurred. Verse 16, tells you that Jesus had come among them but they did not know Him. In verse 17, Jesus asks them what were they discussing,

(17) And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?

In verse 19 and 20, they explained to Jesus what had taken place, still not recognizing Him. Verse 21, tells why they were sad, they had expected Jesus to restore Israel. (Israel as a nation , had a history of being conquered by other nations. They had been split into two kingdoms and the northern kingdom had already been taken into captivity prior to this time. All that remained was Judah, and now it had been taken over by Rome.) Now this was the 3rd day since Jesus crucifixion and they were in question because to them nothing had changed. Israel still remained in its same state. Note what Jesus says to them in verse 25:

(25) Then he said unto them, O fool, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

Now the prophets had spoke of many things that Jesus was to do when He came. However they were just focused on the redemption of Israel. That is why Jesus told them in verse 25 that they were not bringing into remembrance all the things that were spoken of Him by the prophets. He reminded them in verse 26 that He had to suffer first and then enter into glory. He then in verse 27 went over all that the scriptures had to say concerning Himself. Following is verse 27,

(27) And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, He expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself.

The following verse explains what Jesus meant in (Matthew 5:17) where He said He came not to destroy the law but to fulfill. Jesus says in (Luke 24:44) And He said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which are written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Here Jesus makes it clear that all things written about Him in the Old Testament must be fulfilled. Knowing that all things must be fulfilled by Jesus, as long as heaven and earth is still here, tells us that the law (Commandments) are still here as well and must be kept.

The epistle of Christ was not ministered through ink or stones, as we see in 2 Cor 3, therefore it wasn't Christ's finger that created the stone tablets to begin with. Those commandments can't be shoehorned into the list of commandments pursuant to "if you love me, keep my commandments." The OT iteration of the ten commandments are 100% Mosaic.

The question i was asked was why i differentiate between the the ten commandments and the laws that Moses added over the years that followed.
i gave many reasons other then just what they were written on.
I agree that the law needs to written on the heart, it always was Gods intention to have it in our hearts. God put it in stone because of the sinfulness of our hearts so it could not be changed over time. Jesus came to show us and the Jews what it meant to obey the law.
He is the perfect example. Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

The question i was asked was why i differentiate between the the ten commandments and the laws that Moses added over the years that followed.
i gave many reasons other then just what they were written on.

Where do you come up with this stuff? (that a child of God can decide to no longer be one)

The same author who said a child of God can not sin, said whoever sins has NEVER SEEN OR KNOWN GOD. How can you have been a child of God at one time, yet never seen or known God? This does not support your works based theology my friend. The scripture said one who sins has NEVER SEEN or KNOWN GOD

Jesus said many will come in that day with all their works. and he will say depart for he NEVER KNEW THEM. Jesus said whoever believes will NEVER PERISH, He also said they will NEVER DIE, I take it the word never does not mean never to you?

Paul doesnt tell "us" to observe the 10 commandments.