Reading The First Five Chapters Of Revelations Without Stopping

Hello Phoneman 777:

-445 B.C. is the rightful date to start counting the 69 weeks (490 years) up to the “cutting off” of Messiah.

(Please read the last paragraph within the following link:

https://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/1827-artaxerxes-i )


(And the contents of this one as well:

https://jewishroots.net/library/prophecy/daniel/daniel-9-24-27/royal-decree.html )


-By Messiah having been “cut off”, it’s speaking of when Messiah was impaled.



-The prophecy that the prince who is to come would destroy the city and the sanctuary is something that’s also been fulfilled (siege and destruction of Jerusalem, from 67-70 A.D. by the ancient Roman beast)


-In verse 27, though, “the prince who is to come” being alluded by Daniel is, yes, the same Beast but in its “renewed” form. I think you remember it’s the same as the one whose head had been fatally wounded, but then was healed: that’s the future Beast entering into agreement with Israel for 7 years (the one week pending as seen in Daniel 9:27 below,) but then breaking it in the middle by desecrating the holy place with its/his image:



Just in the way Antiochus Epiphanes IV did when out of rage (by not being able to domain Egypt) went against Jerusalem and installed an idol image to be worshiped in the temple. So, this is a type; a clue our Lord Himself gave so that it would be written:

I like this angle: the Weeks feast/Pentecost accounting for the times of the Gentiles; and reminds me of the poerful message delivered by Peter on the Day of Pentecost oin Jerusalem... (One only has to take another look, like so many times we do, to that blessed passage in order to marvel ourselves at God's progress in the fulfillment of the Times and Epochs He's got in His own hand; and this is one of them: The Congregation's/Church's/Body of Christ's/Times of the Gentiles.... And another flashback: Peter preaching at Cornelius house... Hallelujah!!!

Thank you brother

I suppose then that you believe that King David was lost. After all, he disobeyed God's laws. He was an adulterer and indirectly a murderer. Additionally, he was guilty of misusing his office and power. Scripture teaches he was severely chastened by the Lord but was not cutoff. Scripture also says, he was a man after God's own heart.

The Scriptures teach clearly, that once someone has been saved, by the power of God, they are saved forever. They are saved by the Grace of God inspite of sin because Christ has paid for all their sins. Only Armenians feel that one can lose salvation because their view never knew salvation. If one believes they have the right to decide upon salvation, apart from the New Birth, (John 3:1-10), then they also have the right to depart from it.

Salvation was determined from Eternity and every thing needed for it was provided. No one can prevent the Sovereign Lord from carrying out His Father's Plan. Mat. 24:12-13 is not talking about the Elect's love waxing cold. They are the ones who will persevere to the end.

Mat_24:22 And except those days had been shortened, no flesh would have been saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Mat_24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.

But it is not possible to lead the Elect astray to the point of destruction. God's Eternal Plan and The Holy Spirit sees to that. (John 10:29). Those who have claimed to know Christ and later fell away, are the same as those who believed they had salvation among the Jews because Abraham was their father. Religion does not save, only God can impart true salvation. The Father's Eternal Plan is a tight and sure Salvation. 1) He purposed it. 2) He determined it's extent. 3) Christ purchased it. 4) The holy Spirit applies it. 5) The Holy Spirit guarantees it. 6) Christ will consummate it. 7) Christ will present it.

1) Eph 1:3-5 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ: even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blemish before him in love: having foreordained us unto adoption as sons through Jesus Christ unto himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, (see also Rom. 8:29,30; Rev. 13:8&17:8)

2) John 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd who lays down his life for the sheep. (see also Mat. 20:28; John 6:37, 44&65; 17:9; Heb. 9:28)

3) John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. (see also Rom. 5:19; 1Cor. 6:20)

4) John 3:6-8 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born anew. The wind blows where it will, and you are hearing the voice thereof, but know not from where it comes, and where it is going: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. (see also Titus 3:5)

5) Eph 1:13, 14 in whom ye also, having heard the word of the truth, the gospel of your salvation,--in whom, having also believed, ye were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, which is an earnest of our inheritance, unto the redemption of God's own possession, unto the praise of his glory.

6) Rom 8:37-39 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. (see also Heb.12:2; 1John 3:2)

7) Eph 5:27 that he might present the church to himself a glorious assembly, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

David was not lost. David did not have a pattern of sin. David did not have a pattern of shagging married women. As for Urijah, he was a Hittite, and God called for all of their deaths, thus explaining potential latitude by the Father.

Just curious . . . are you here to goad and pick fights?

I, as always, am here to embrace fellow believers in the Truth and with all the strength the Lord shall give me, attack those who attack the Truth. If you wish to protect those you are friends with, be my guest. I am friends of those who are sound in Doctrine.

By the way - what does Urijah have to do with my post? The use of King David was an example. The body of my post, takes exception to the attack on OSAS. Once saved, always saved. That is Scripture.

King David paid for his sins the rest of his life, it divided his family up, he had to kill Absalom, so he paid a steep price for having Absalom killed. The difference however between David and other Kings is when faced with God's accusation, via Nathan the Prophet, David repented, other kings would have had Nathan killed. David was a man after God's own heart, so God looked at his WANT TOOS, not his Sin Flesh that lusted, and murdered a man. By the way, people do not even understand God's law, SOMEWHERE (trust me, I can find it) if a man murdered someone while in ANGER, they were not to be killed or even imprisoned, but would be kept in a certain city to protect them from the mans kinfolks and their possible retribution, for a time.

Us, unjust humans want to imprison Truck Drivers for 110 years when their brakes fail. SMH. But at the same time its OK for teachers to indoctrinate our kids in transgenderism and homosexuality.

Twilight Zone.

You stated that David was guilty of murder. He murder Urijah.

I am here to embrace those who do not hold to sound doctrine. They need me/us more.

Oh man, I know what you're talking about . . . they are today's modern Sanctuary cities for people who committed crimes. I have them all logged in my database, but can't think of the name! Or, how to find it! I need more key words. It'll take a few minutes.

Just needed two more minutes:

Deuteronomy 19:3-7 NLT - "Survey the territory, and divide the land the LORD your God is giving you into three districts, with one of these cities in each district. Then anyone who has killed someone can flee to one of the cities of refuge for safety. 4 "If someone kills another person unintentionally, without previous hostility, the slayer may flee to any of these cities to live in safety. 5 For example, suppose someone goes into the forest with a neighbor to cut wood. And suppose one of them swings an ax to chop down a tree, and the ax head flies off the handle, killing the other person. In such cases, the slayer may flee to one of the cities of refuge to live in safety. 6 "If the distance to the nearest city of refuge is too far, an enraged avenger might be able to chase down and kill the person who caused the death. Then the slayer would die unfairly, since he had never shown hostility toward the person who died. 7 That is why I am commanding you to set aside three cities of refuge."

I agree. Anyone can quote scripture and many are obsessed with the book of Revelation. The Gospels contain teachings that most people have no knowledge of. In fact that is true for
the whole Bible. The Holy Spirit will teach any individual who sincerely seeks Gods Truth

100% - You just described my former Christian Life to the T. By the way, I love your handle!

This however actually shows us God is a just God and all he wants is a WILLING HEART, that desires, if our hearts desire to be lie unto God He will continue to lead us in that direction, meanwhile the modern day liberal is a total construct of "BETTER THAN THOU", the are so good because they accept all manner of perverted lifestyles etc. etc. Moral Irrelevance is however not a virtue in m y eyes. We all know the difference in right and wrong, and as long as we by faith move towards God, He will justly find us blameless because we trusted in His Son was was 100 percent just and faithful.

I'd say "common sense approach" guided by Holy Spirit discernment -- and simple math.
Why? There's a diff between "Event Specific Time Prophecy" and "Numerically Specific Time Prophecy".
Event Specific Ex. Methuselah - "when he dies, it shall come". (When he died, the Flood came)
Numerically Specific Ex. " After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, [even] forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities..." (Israel wandered 40 years, no gap)

Sorry, but there's not a single precedent in all of Scripture for inserting a "gap" into a Numerically Specific Time Prophecy, not one. I'll be addressing how my position can satisfy the "six" reasons for cutting off the 70 Weeks from the 2,300 days prophecy soon, but I've been really busy, so please be patient. Thanks

If is a historic fact that the prophecies of Daniel 9 has such power to convince early century Jews Jesus was the Messiah that the rabbis placed a curse on anyone who would attempt to find the timing of the arrival of the Messiah from it:

So, sorry, but I can't trust the "scholarship" of those who hate Jesus and have an agenda against Him, which would include distorting the correct starting point of the 70 Weeks.

What do you think about the Syro-Macedonian calendar pinpointing 27 A.D. as the year Jesus was baptized? That would be exactly 483 years from 457 B.C.?

As He stepped out of the Jordan, the 69th week expired and the 70th began with Jesus confirming His covenant of grace, then He was crucified "in the midst of the week", then He continued confirming it through "them that heard Him" aka His disciples after He was caught up to heaven.

No, David was Just Man who fell, but rose again in repentance, unlike wicked King Saul who was anointed by God but turned his back on Him and never repented.

There's mercy for the Just Man who slips and falls into the pit of sin, cries out to Jesus in repentance, takes hold of His uplifting hand, is set back down on the Path of the Just, and continues his March to Zion.

The Presumptuous Man (which seems to make up 99.99% Christianity) climbs down into the pit, sits down comfortably among the filth, swats away the uplifting hand of Jesus, and shoves his "OSAS License to Sin" in His face. That man will surely split hell wide open, no matter how much he waves his hands around during Praise and Worship.

There is no 2300 days, its 1150 days. Go read Daniel praying in Dan. 9 and in verse 21 (I think) Gabriel shows up at the time of the Evening Oblation (Sacrificial prayer/tribute unto God). So, there was an Evening and Morning Oblation or Sacrifice unto God, written into the Laws.

So, in Daniel we see the Translators got it wrong, tis is why I d deep dives, nit only did they get it wrong, but later on in the same chapter they got it RIGHT, LOLOL.........Too funny. I think you will see what they did wrong and why it misleads people in the end. Lets compare the KJV Translation with the actual texts.

Dan. 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? 14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Daniel 8:13 ¶ Then I heard 8085 z8799 one 259 saint 6918 speaking, 1696 z8764 and another 259 saint 6918 said 559 z8799 unto that certain 6422 [saint] which spake, 1696 z8764 How long x5704 x4970 [shall be] the vision 2377 [concerning] the daily 8548 [sacrifice], and the transgression 6588 of desolation, 8074 z8802 to give 5414 z8800 both the sanctuary 6944 and the host 6635 to be trodden under foot? 4823 Daniel 8:14 And he said 559 z8799 unto x413 me, Unto x5704 two thousand 505 and three 7969 hundred 3967 days; 6153 1242 then shall the sanctuary 6944 be cleansed. 6663 z8738

Notice, they added in a few words, which at ties is OK fir the context but at times they got it wrong, thus THE DAILY doesn't have to be a Sacrifice, it can be an Oblation or Tribute, like Dan. 9:21 shows us Daniel was doing daily. Thus if this was Jesus Worship that was taken away, or a tribute to Jesus, there would be nothing different from what Daniel was doing at the evening oblation and what the end time repentant Jews would be doing, worshiping Jesus in like manner. So, adding in words wrongly can affect our understanding. BUT....that's not the major point here, the word DAY in verse 14 is the real problem, NOTICE, the word DAY has two numbers (6153 and 1242) behind it, not one, so why does it only say day? What should it really say? Lets look at each word by itself.

#6153 עֶרֶב `ereb {eh'-reb}

from H6150; TWOT - 1689a; n m
—Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) evening, night, sunset
1a) evening, sunset
1b) night
—Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)

From H6150; dusk:— + day, even (-ing, tide), night.
—Strong's (Hebrew & Chaldee Dictionary of the Old Testament)
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#1242 בֹּקֶר boqer {bo'-ker}

from H1239; TWOT - 274c; n m
—Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) morning, break of day
1a) morning
1a1) of end of night
1a2) of coming of daylight
1a3) of coming of sunrise
1a4) of beginning of day
1a5) of bright joy after night of distress (fig.)
1b) morrow, next day, next morning
—Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)

From H1239; properly dawn (as the break of day); generally morning:— (+) day, early, morning, morrow.
—Strong's (Hebrew & Chaldee Dictionary of the Old Testament)
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So, its not really DAY its Evening and Mornings, or 2300 Evening and Mornings Oblations, like Daniel was doing in Dan. 9:21, it even says that in the verse but the KJV translated is a DAY not Evening and Morning Oblations. Looking on down in the same chapter, what is so funny is that they later on translate it correctly, I joke not !! SEE BELOW:

Dan. 8:26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.

Daniel 8:26 And the vision 4758 of the evening 6153 and the morning 1242 which x834 was told 559 z8738 [is] true: 571 wherefore shut thou up 5640 z8798 x859 the vision; 2377 for x3588 it [shall be] for many 7227 days. 3117

So, it was NEVER DAYS, it was always 2300 Evening and Morning Oblations, so that comes out to 1150 days !! And 1150 days fits inside the Anti-Christ/Little Horns 1260 day rule.

No hurry brother, being patient is our calling......

There are no 1150 days, but there are 2,300 days in Daniel: And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. (Dan 8:14)

I'm well aware of this line of reasoning. It's an exercise in futility.
Genesis 1 plainly says an "evening and morning" (singular) equal one single day (singular), therefore the 2,300 evenings and mornings (plural) equal 2,300 days (plural). "Consistency, thou art a jewel."
Now, if you're read this far down, would you like to know why the phrase "evenings and mornings" was chosen instead of "days"?

The entire chapter of Daniel 8 is filled with Sanctuary imagery and symbolism, so it stands to reason that the use of "evenings and mornings" would be chosen. Why? Well, what took place in the Sanctuary every single "evening" and "morning"? Only that which is the most powerful, compelling, mind-blowing symbol of all the symbols, types, shadows, and imagery there is, right?

Exactly. If an "evening and morning" = a day, then it just stands to reason that 2,300 "evenings and mornings" = 2,300 days, right?