BORN AGAIN, A CHANGE IN BODY NOT IN MIND
- Thread starter BroTan
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Jesus said with his own mouth; (Matt. 24:13) But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. That is until the end of your life, or until the Second Coming of the Lord. Paul says in Romans 8: 26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. 28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
"Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12).
So being Born again will take place at the second coming of Jesus from Adam to the present time. All the saint will be changed, that's the event.
Jesus says in John3: 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Most of you run right over this verse, because you can't understand it.
"Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12).
So being Born again will take place at the second coming of Jesus from Adam to the present time. All the saint will be changed, that's the event.
Jesus says in John3: 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Most of you run right over this verse, because you can't understand it.
I wonder if being born again is any different than "becoming as little children".
And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 4Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 4Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
-
1
- Show all
Let's take a look in 1 Peter 1: 23 being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
These are those who are the saints... "Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12). These brothers and Sisters are from Genesis to present time, that's did righteous in the sight of God and kept the Commandments of God. But Paul went more unto detail about this corruptible seed in 1 Corinthians 15: 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
See Paul and Peter understand that that we must be born again to a spirit body or heavenly body, which Jesus say in John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Notice: He made a difference between flesh and spirit. Ask yourself that question, was you born flesh or spirit?
John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Back to Paul....50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Notice Paul said the same thing Jesus said in John 3: 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Notice verse 3, except a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. We have just learned something here. If you are not born again you can not see the kingdom of God. Now this is talking about the Father's Kingdom but that's another lesson for another time.
Back to Paul...51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Now this is lining up perfect with what Peter said, but we see more information add to it. We see that being born again will happen at the last trump and we will be change from corruptible to incorruption. Also we learned a mystery and that's all will not die, but will be changed.
Paul says in Philippians 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
And when will this take place? Again in I Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. At the last trump, and not a moment before.
These are those who are the saints... "Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12). These brothers and Sisters are from Genesis to present time, that's did righteous in the sight of God and kept the Commandments of God. But Paul went more unto detail about this corruptible seed in 1 Corinthians 15: 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
See Paul and Peter understand that that we must be born again to a spirit body or heavenly body, which Jesus say in John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Notice: He made a difference between flesh and spirit. Ask yourself that question, was you born flesh or spirit?
John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Back to Paul....50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Notice Paul said the same thing Jesus said in John 3: 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Notice verse 3, except a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. We have just learned something here. If you are not born again you can not see the kingdom of God. Now this is talking about the Father's Kingdom but that's another lesson for another time.
Back to Paul...51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Now this is lining up perfect with what Peter said, but we see more information add to it. We see that being born again will happen at the last trump and we will be change from corruptible to incorruption. Also we learned a mystery and that's all will not die, but will be changed.
Paul says in Philippians 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
And when will this take place? Again in I Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. At the last trump, and not a moment before.
BORN AGAIN, A CHANGE IN BODY NOT IN MIND
I must assume that the above is a typo, then????
Let's try again...
BORN AGAIN, A CHANGE IN MIND NOT IN BODY
I must assume that the above is a typo, then????
Let's try again...
BORN AGAIN, A CHANGE IN MIND NOT IN BODY
Paul says in 1 Corinthian 14: 24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: