Liberal and Conservative Christianity are both false

You got a poll for this?

It's a challenge to respond--it's sort of like how so many Jews didn't realize the seriousness of their situation in Germany until it was too late. you responded with:

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Not that serious when it is false, Trump isn't even President (I see more Nazi resemblance to the Liberals agenda) have you studied the Nazi rise to power?

Let me clarify. When I say who, I mean a massive majority of Christians not a small minority who are cultish types like QAnons.

There are churches preaching 'social justice' --talking about how white people are the problem-and these are predominantly white churches! White isn't anything in and of it self--no color is---the gospel talks about SIN and WICKEDNESS--color has nothing to do with it. The Southern Baptist Convention voted in adopting Critical Race Theory to be brought into their churches--this is insane.

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I agree and this is part of the liberal socialist agenda.

Even parents who aren't Christians were going to board meetings to fight it being taught in schools, many who were people of color.

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And largely a Conservative push. Look at Virginia.

This is their wording in their 'charter': RESOLVED, That critical race theory and intersectionality should only be employed as analytical tools subordinate to Scripture—not as transcendent ideological frameworks;

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I agree. The major denominations have been shifting liberal for decades as to why now LGBT is the major splitting issue.

You seem to have no understanding how we are using the term, even though we already explained they're not seeing him as THE Messiah, but rather a type of Messiah--we are to be looking to Christ and not man to make things right.

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I can only understand if you define your meaning. Thank you for the clarification. That sounds like a QAnon thing and that is hardly a majority.

You must define right. Because if you mean millennium Kingdom right then I agree. If you mean not combatting evil where we can as if we shouldn't get involved then no I do not agree.

Things will not be made right until Christ comes again.

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Things will not be made 100% right until Christ returns but if we end Roe for example that will do a lot of right.

Again that is the WHOLE point of this thread. You think these Christians are outlers--we see it as enough to be a problem--take as example the pastors' mother--she and her husband founded that church -- it is a church known for being gospel centered and yet she was so disturbed about me not voting as if Trump was some sort of 'savior'

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We? Two or 3 of you on this thread? Your pastors mother is a local event how do use that to judge Jack Hibbs Church? Maybe put yourself in her shoes. Do you remember 2020? The environment of the nation? The political madness, the lies and censoring of the media, the riots, racial divide, the call by liberals to stack the Supreme Court, kill the filibuster, the passing of the lgbt discrimination rights, Covid-19 and the liberal tyranny in many states/cities especially biased towards churches, socialist agendas that would cause inflation or worse, open borders, school education in propaganda mode, etc. This is a small glimpse that had many Americans worried about the state of life, liberty, and the American dream for millions of people and probably her grandchildren.

She obviously took out her fear on you which is wrong but her fear wasn't warrantless. Nor is it stupid to want the best for your family and neighbors.

I personally do believe in a Republic where we have the liberty to vote and voting does make a difference then it is irresponsible to not vote. So many American soldiers served and gave their life for that responsibility and it is the most a civilian can do is vote out of knowledge and wisdom. But I do not get mad when people don't.

and Jack Hibbs church is into the thousands not to mention people that follow him throughout the U.S.--the home church as an example that invited me to their study.

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If I saw it as a huge legit movement then it wouldn't be funny. But I mostly see Christians who see the socialist/communist evil and wish to try and combat it.

Correct. We are not of this world, but of one with no manmade boundaries.

Galatians
3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

True America can no longer be served because true americans are very rare but one can hold the values this country once stood for, that is what being a patriot means holding fast the values and morals that this country was founded in it isn't about being politically correct or even being able to serve your country. Like with everything in Christianity it's about the heart

At work so this will be quick.. Have no idea how youre putting Hibbs and pastors mom together— obviously my point is how politics has invaded the church— you seem to be missing things that i wrote. One i called the church because i was struggling to find a simple gospel centered church- that church was too far so wanted advice AND some encouragement instead she spent the time chiding my off handed comment about not voting— and i have voted in every orher election. It was unchristian inkind and totally inappropriate. for her to do that to a stranger. Also ive already said we have responsibilities as good citizens to vote and to be involved in what is happening in our govt.

The word Conservatism means to to keep things as they are or tp conserve the traditions as known, the word Progressive means to progress from the things that are unto the things as we see them as best for mankind. (Men's ideals/Humanism).

You are the one placing Politics on these ideals, you can call it what you want to, call it a Concrete Block vs. a Brick, matters not to mem if the Brick stands for perverts marrying and killing innocent babies then that brick will be EVIL ad if the Concrete block is against those things then it will be the lesser of two evils, even in the block likes to spend us into debt which is also evil.

There is NO RIGHT, that's just in your brain, you have been conditioned by these Socialist to think this way, those who desire t keep the traditions of old are CENTER, we are right (I guess) of those crazy progressives who want to take our kids and give them hormones, and teach the they are gay etc. etc. but in all reality, they are fools. Anyone that votes these things in will be condemned with those people, the bible says so, anyone who advocates for these types have blood on their hands according to the bible. I see these so called Church people voting in abortion and just shake my head, if they do not repent and TURN they will not make heaven, to kidd yourself.

It seemed as you used the negative event in your own life to judge Hibbs and his church based on that fact both had political speech.

Not really missing just trying to understand your thinking.

I agreed that was not how to speak to someone.

But it doesn't make politics in the pulpit bad.

political: [adjective] of or relating to government, a government, or the conduct of government. of, relating to, or concerned with the making as distinguished from the administration of governmental policy.

Does the Bible speak to the issues of day that we politically debate over? Of course, it does. Just as John the Baptist spoke to the authority of his day about marriage so should we. Scriptures also speak on stopping the innocent being led to the slaughter, loving our neighbors, and giving to Ceasar what is Ceasars. The American Ceasar isn't the President but the Constitution in a Constitutional Republic. The Constitution gives the people the most authority. And part of that authority is to uphold life, liberty, and ability to prosper for each individual.

I agree

Wrong, there is a right. Center means we would have kept the things that were before, such as a rising tide lifting all boats. Ever since saint Reagan moved conservatives to the right, the rising tide has only lifted executive yachts.

Conservatism (genuine) is much more than that.

The conservative Heritage Foundation has an excellent article on "What is Conservatism?". Here's an excerpt.

"I begin with the main points of the Sharon Statement, recognized by The New York Times as a “seminal document” of the conservative movement and accepted by many conservatives as the best brief statement of conservative ideals.
https://www.heritage.org/conservatism/commentary/what-conservatism

While the executive yachts pay higher taxes and give jobs to all.

You don't even understand these things are a PROVEN FALSEHOOD. Reagan CUT TAXES and brought in MORE REVENUE, it almost tripled. The top 1 percent pay 40 percent of all the Federal Taxes, the Bottom 50 Percent pays literally nothing. The top 5 percent pay 60 percent of all the taxes, the top 10 percent pay 71 percent of all taxes and the top 25 percent pay 86 percent f all federal taxes.

NOTICE: In 2018 after the Trump tax cut the bottom 50 percent's Tax Rate went from 3.11 percent to 2.94 percent. Meanwhile their salary went up 2000 dollars in one year. Big Corp. passed their tax cuts in many situations on to their Employees !! People like you think the money is the Governments, LOL, it our ,money, they waste our money on STUPID THINGS, like inviting illegals in our country like FOOLS. You imply repeats the medias lies and untruths.

Yes, but I am keeping it in the Biblical realm. Not what it means in a broader sense.

I do beleive politics should stay out of the pulpit--nowhere did Christ or the apostles preach on it--Paul said he resolved to preach nothing but "Christ and Him crucified.. Of course the church in friendships and community can and should stand against government corruption, abortion, indoctrination in our schools--the insanity of trying to change what it means to be male and female. However, Jack Hibbs theatrics was over the top--and I think it's more about his 501C 3 status and raking in the bucks, than true care and concern--and if it is those things, they play second fiddle--I found the whole thing appalling.

I watch Prager U and sometimes they get a little propogandaish but overall I am encouraged to know there are people who feel as I do--being in the SF Bay area--I often feel alone in my faith and beliefs. I also listen to--I think his name is Charlie Kirk. I like Thomas Sowells, Ayan Hirsi Alli, Mosab Hussan Yousef . I really am outraged that we have Muslims in our government who are against Israel--that is really beyond belief. So I am political--I just don't think it should be preached in the pulpit.

Excuse not editing 7:30 PST--must have dinner--good to dialogue with you.

Remember Jesus had a lot of words to say to the governing officials of his day. The Sanhedrin was made up of the Pharisees, Sadducees, and the Scribes. Politics isn't just voting. It is the debate between right and wrong how to go about handling the everyday affairs of a civilization. I personally can not see how anyone can separate the Bible and politics. The Bible literally has something to say on almost every political topic. Marriage, role of government, examples of bad government, laws, the role of a just judge, gender, how to deal with the poor, how to deal with criminals and laziness, creation was created for us (fossil fuels, animals, etc), self defense is Biblical, right to life, liberty, and property is Biblical, the Bible speaks against racism, all the sin that government tries to promote is spoke against, the way we handle money is spoken on, I mean is there any political issue that isn't spoken on?

I agree

I have heard him speak on Washington Watch with Tony Perkins and I do not get that vibe from him. He was one of the few to stand against biased Covid measures against his church as to another reason he was dedicated to stopping the Democrats push for power.

Very smart people. I have heard them before as well.

Remember you are not alone even if physically you have God. I say that knowing it can be difficult to feel physically alone and to adjust to that relational pull of the Spirit. It is easier to achieve by prayer and staying in the Word with expectation of God to speak to you.

I am currently trying to find a new church. The church we tried last Sunday the pastor has really short sermons mostly filled in by music, jokes, and stories. But the little bit he does get into was Biblical and the church has a huge youth participation. So I'm hoping they at least have study groups.

Anyways this transition has had me in the feeling of a wilderness wandering and being out of my old loop has made me realize if I couldn't meet with other Christians, how relationally strong would my relationship be with God alone? If God was all I had, would I feel lacking? Anyways it has made me see I'm not where I want to be in my walk with Christ. I need to draw closer and be emotionally, physically, and spiritually vulnerable to the love and Words of God.

It is an outrage to have American hating and Israel hating people in our government. Goes against common sense to vote in people who hate America but unfortunately many Americans have been taught the ideals of the 1619 project, CRT, European colonization as bad, and other anti American sentiment.

No need to excuse. Good talking to you as well.

American hating americans--yes--can't believe i left that out. It's like an episode of the Twilight Zone--except a lot more disturbing.

Thanks for sharing about your struggle in finding a new church. I've pretty much given up--I'm looking for a house church and praying about finding others who might be interested in starting one--I believe there are many others like me who are done with the institutional church (though how to find them?)--all the money going to the running of the machine--move trailer sermons--Tune in next week!--and every week they follow the same script. I run into Christians I've known for years who serve in the church and they are accepting so many things of the world--same sex marriage as an example or their teenage daughter's friend who has decided at 14 that she is a boy. Or Pastor John Ortberg's (you can look them up if you don't recognize the name) daughter who decided at 30 she was a man and then married a man who transitioned to being a woman--yes, truth is stranger than fiction.

The bible says don't forsake fellowship, but what if you want the fellowship but can't find it? The only good thing is I know the bible better now than I ever have--but thru studying discovering that every denomination has some false doctrine.

And back to what you said--among other things you said--closer to the love of God. I know what the bible says about God's love, but I never really have experienced it--I pray often but I don't feel I am praying as I should. I normally read my bible just before bed, so I don't feel I am spending as much time in the word as I should--anyway, I'm glad you mentioned it because it gave me something to think about--thank you.

now it's late, so that's why i'm not editing. (;

This is why we have abortion on demand around the world and homosexual marriage folks, people think the Church should just be silent and accept this evil world. John the Baptist was beheaded for calling out the evil of King Herod and his mistress Salome. Many, many, many of the great Prophets were killed, a lot by their own Jewish kings or fellow countrymen for calling out their sins, you might be surprised at how many were killed. All of the Disciples save John were killed because they preached not only against the evil state of Rome but against the evils of their false gods !!

Isaiah: said to be of Jerusalem, suffered martyrdom by being sawn in two by Manasseh (King of Judah)

Jeremiah: said to be of Anathoth (Jeremiah 1:1), suffered martyrdom by stoning at Tahpanhes in Ancient Egypt

Ezekiel: said to be of Arira and to be of a priesthood family. He suffered martyrdom in the land of the Chaldeans.

Micah: said to be of the Tribe of Ephraim. He suffered martyrdom by Jehoram (9th King of the Northern Kingdom)

Amos: said to be born in Tekoa (Amos 1:1), tortured by Amaziah (the priest of Beth-el of Amos 7:10) and martyred by the son of this one.

Zechariah ben Jehoiada (2 Chronicles 24:20–22): said to be of Jerusalem, he was killed by Jehoash near the altar of the Temple.

What many call politics, I call evil. I call them all out, especially the abortionists and the pervert lovers. Any who support them have blood on their hands before God also says the scriptures. ANYONE who fails to tell them they are wicked will be judged by God to have blood on their hands, it is our job.

Ezekiel 3:17 Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me.

18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

God don't care what humans call politics. God tells us to call out the wicked, at ALL TIMES, not to place nice with them and go along with their evil perverted practices by staying silent. A whole lot of people, sadly, are not going to make it to heaven and they are going to wonder why !! God demands actions from us, if we bury our talents God will not be happy at all. He demands that we bear fruits.

Matt. 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful work 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

God gives us a job, we are to preach the Gospel unto the masses and call out wickedness, not play patty cake with these evil world leaders. As I have stated 99 percent of Dem pols are crooked and evil, and 65-80 percent of the Republican Pols are evil also. Calling out anyone who advocates for homosexuality, or abortion is not politics to me, its our job as Christians !!

Like John the Baptist, like the other Prophets, like Nathan who called out David and only lived because David was a king after God's own heart, faults and all, he knew when he was in the wrong, thus Nathan lived, but nevertheless, he spoke the truth unto David.

Jesus sees a whole lot of us now and I imagine the words he spoke to the Pharisees come unto his mind. We have the words and platitudes down pat, but its just us following tradition, we don't pick up our cross and follow him, else this wickedness would not have been allowed to seep in unawares. We are a lazy church, a compromised church, a sleeping church, too worldly, thus we go along to get along, sadly.

The Church should not be taxed, no matter what, we have liberal org. who are nothing but political 24/7/365 and they are all built to further the Dem party. All Pols ae crooks, save a few. TRUTH.

[for me anyway] they who are of the world speak of the world, and the world listens to them: but they who are of God hears God's Words, and they who are not of God hears not God's Word. The hearing of this world's wisdom brought forth by politicians is the listening to the world, which a true Christian will not.

Your too quick on the draw here Rondomon--again people try to say it's in the bible but you will not find the elders teacher apostles or Jesus preaching politics--the gospel is NOT politics and only the gospel will change people--please, people stop responding before carefully reading a person's position--it's so frustrating as I said Christians should be good citizens, fight corruption abortion etc.

This world has Evil Leaders/Pols no doubt, the difference in Rome, Greece, Babylon etc. is for the most part they were run by the few, the tyrants, and we could say even those with a form of representative Gov. back then had no understanding of the God of Abraham. Today, we in the USA have a supposedly true Representative Gov., thus like it or not your one vote has a determining factor on this nations policy if you are a U.S. Citizen. Sadly, the Dems (as all Socialist/Commies wind up doing) have learned how to steal elections, they cry racism, racism so they can get by with cheating in the big metro areas with no Voter ID (Simply crazy) and by extending the voting periods for up to a month, now they want Vote by Mail, its just a scheme so they can send in their "Troops" to invent votes, everyone knows what's going on except the naive.

So, every we take here, like it or not, means we are responsible before God for putting in people who represent us, and God will judge us on that, its so funny these people who go to Church, then vote in Abortion and homosexual loving tyrants, and they actually do not understand, God is going to hold the responsible for that vote. It a persons heart saying I don't care that God hates Abortion and Homosexuality, I am going to vote this way, and mind you, they could vote for a goofy man who calls himself a part of the Concrete Party for all I care, the problem is, if those evil people did not get these Church peoples votes, they would soon turn from their evil policies, they are Pols after all, they have now however learned to 1.) Cheat 2.) Create a permanent vote via Freebies 3.) Indoctrinate our kinds in classrooms all be cause we allowed it.

They have a strategy, the hear from their father Satan, they are organized, they are evil. The Church kept these types at bay for near 2000 years for the most part, the Nations eventually got away from their old evil practices of Slavery, of every race, they became cultured, they moved towards Democracy etc. etc. it took some 1500 years for the old Beast like Governments of old to be completely overcome by the Church, but Islam still existed and people like Hitler popped up, because even though we had a Church that was overcoming this evil world, when that Church could not reach certain people (Muslim nations) they became a backwards people, when ever the church became silent in Germany, the Holocaust cam unto existence. We have to speak up against evil, and like it or not, if you have a vote, then you are represented in the USA y this ONE VOTE, and God will hold us accountable. I know they cheat, I know the Deep State now gets blackmail material on people and thus they control many like puppets, an I know all this must needs come to pass, but Jesus also knows why it has come to pass, we have been allowing this to happen by not being involved in school board meetings, by allowing our kids to be indoctrinated, by sending our kids to Universities that are nothing more that Hedonistic Debauchery Schools which teach them "Do as thou Wilt" and that Socialism is great, and that religious peoples are ignorant fools.

Don't be naive, people who sat back and allowed this, and never called these people out, God will hold accountable.

You can be a Christian and fit into a political side. But where you put your faith in is what matters. If you think a sin is okay because the government says it is, then you are not following God (abortion, homosexuality etc).
When you put yourself on a pedestal because you see the other political party as the enemy or more evil, then you forget your sins and the price Jesus paid for you.
I am a conservative republican, mainly on policy belief but I put my faith in God and the moral labels of everyone on the commandments of God and not political parties.
Both sides struggle with greed
Both sides struggle with hate
Both sides struggle with envy
Both sides struggle with pride
Both sides put too much faith in their party and not in Christ
Both sides put their political identity and its worth before their identity in Christ and His worth