Does One Receive the Holy Ghost the Moment they Believe in Jesus?
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This is a good sidestep of human reasoning. The same experience as the OP stated with the 120 in the upper room: they were born again when Jesus breathed on them and said "Receive the Holy Spirit." They received the baptism in the Holy Spirit on Pentecost: as John Wesley used to say, "as a second, definite work of Grace."
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The truth of water baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost as distinct experiences is witnessed throughout the word. See Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:44-48, 19:1-6, 22:16.
Paul's own experience as well his interaction with the Ephesus disciples shows that water baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost are separate and distinct experiences. (Acts 9:17-18, 22:16, and 19:1-6)
Paul's own experience as well his interaction with the Ephesus disciples shows that water baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost are separate and distinct experiences. (Acts 9:17-18, 22:16, and 19:1-6)
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Notice that the biblical records actually express that the Holy Spirit is being received not just coming upon individuals. Paul asked the Ephesus disciples if they had received the Holy Ghost SINCE they believed. (Acts 19:1-6) Peter stated that what the people were seeing and hearing on the Day of Pentecost was the promise of the Holy Ghost which was shed forth by Jesus. (Acts 2:33) The scripture states that the Samaritans received the Holy Ghost when Peter and John laid hands on them. (Acts 8:17) And, Peter stated that Cornelius and the Gentiles received the Holy Ghost just as the Jews had on the Day of Pentecost. (Acts 10:47)
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It is my understanding that Jesus only breathed the Holy Ghost into His disciples with the exception of Thomas. This occurred in John chapter 20. Notice in John 21:1-2 it says after these things Jesus again appears to His disciples at the sea of Tiberias. The scripture is precise about who was there. Seven disciples were there. See John 21:2. It is only after Jesus ascended into Heaven the final time that the Holy Ghost was poured out on 120 people in the upper room. This happened on the Day of Pentecost. See Acts 1:10-2:4)
John 20:18-24
Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.
19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.
21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
John 20:18-24
Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.
19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.
21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
The point I was making was relevant to those two scripture references.
1. The Holy Ghost is not received immediately upon belief.
2. Someone stated that Peter and John's laying on of hands in reference to the Samaritans was for a specific unique reason. It was not. Paul's interaction recorded in Acts 19 confirms this point.
In all detailed biblical records concerning the rebirth experience. People are presented with the gospel message, and given instructions that include both required obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus and the need to receive the Holy Ghost.
1. The Holy Ghost is not received immediately upon belief.
2. Someone stated that Peter and John's laying on of hands in reference to the Samaritans was for a specific unique reason. It was not. Paul's interaction recorded in Acts 19 confirms this point.
In all detailed biblical records concerning the rebirth experience. People are presented with the gospel message, and given instructions that include both required obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus and the need to receive the Holy Ghost.
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You are contradicting Scripture. So what does Ephesians 1:13 teach us?
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise
This verse is clearly stating that:
1. The Gospel is the Word of Truth
2. The Gospel is the Gospel of our salvation
3. Sinners trust in the Lord Jesus Christ after they hear the Gospel
4. Sinners believe on the Lord Jesus Christ after they hear the Gospel
5. After they believe, they are immediately sealed with the Holy Spirit
6. The gift of the Holy Spirit is promised to those who believe
7. The sealing with the Holy Spirit guarantees the eternal security of the believer (see the next verse)
Do we see any mention of water baptism? Absolutely not. Why? Because that comes AFTER the Holy Spirit is given.
Do we see any mention of the laying on of hands? Absolutely not. Why? Because that was for specific purposes in Acts. When 3,000 souls in Jerusalem received the gift of the Holy Spirit, there was no laying on of hands. When those gathered in the house of Cornelius received the Holy Spirit, there was no laying on of hands.
So you need to go back to square one.
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise
This verse is clearly stating that:
1. The Gospel is the Word of Truth
2. The Gospel is the Gospel of our salvation
3. Sinners trust in the Lord Jesus Christ after they hear the Gospel
4. Sinners believe on the Lord Jesus Christ after they hear the Gospel
5. After they believe, they are immediately sealed with the Holy Spirit
6. The gift of the Holy Spirit is promised to those who believe
7. The sealing with the Holy Spirit guarantees the eternal security of the believer (see the next verse)
Do we see any mention of water baptism? Absolutely not. Why? Because that comes AFTER the Holy Spirit is given.
Do we see any mention of the laying on of hands? Absolutely not. Why? Because that was for specific purposes in Acts. When 3,000 souls in Jerusalem received the gift of the Holy Spirit, there was no laying on of hands. When those gathered in the house of Cornelius received the Holy Spirit, there was no laying on of hands.
So you need to go back to square one.
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In your GROWTH In The Amazing GRACE Of God! Starting with:
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Sincerely yours,
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This Excellent Bible "study" from Nehemiah6:
Christ's FULL Sacrifice!
My other "studies" are in my signature below - hope some will be helpful
In your GROWTH In The Amazing GRACE Of God! Starting with:
God's Simple Will!
Sincerely yours,
Chris Endrizzi
PS. This "book" changed a lot for me AFTER 11 years as a denominational "christian" = "Things That Differ" online
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op: Does the believer receive The Holy Spirit The Moment they believe in Jesus?
Yesterday = No.
Today = Yes, when they trust Him, His Death, Precious BLOOD, And His
Resurrection, According To The Scriptures!
Yesterday = No.
Today = Yes, when they trust Him, His Death, Precious BLOOD, And His
Resurrection, According To The Scriptures!
