THE WOMEN OF THE CHURCH

Hmm... so you think that a believing woman couldn't have a one on one conversation with a man to correct and teach? then what do you think of all the women on this chat site? Most of us at some point have 'taught' we have all 'corrected'.

And what of Deborah the Judge, was she usurping her husband's authority?

"I am reminded of your sincere faith, which first lived in your grandmother Lois and in your mother Eunice and, I am persuaded, now lives in you also."---2 Timothy 1:5

Was it wrong of them to be the ones to share the gospel message with Timothy since no men are mentioned to have been with them?

"Mary Magdalene went to the disciples with the news: “I have seen the Lord!” And she told them that he had said these things to her."--John 20:18

Was it wrong that Jesus first appeared to a woman and not a man and she was the first to bring the message to the apostles?

That's news, not teaching.

so which disciple are you? the anon one?

I disregard the nonsense you first post and the last sentence is funny

as it is, we actually do need a new water system...alot of minerals in our lovely water...gotta get to it this month...hard water is problamatical

so which disciple are you? the anon one?

I disregard the nonsense you first post and the last sentence is funny

as it is, we actually do need a new water system...alot of minerals in our lovely water...gotta get to it this month...hard water is problamatical

so which disciple are you? the anon one?

I disregard the nonsense you first post and the last sentence is funny

as it is, we actually do need a new water system...alot of minerals in our lovely water...gotta get to it this month...hard water is problamatical

that why I have him on ignore

thanks from women everywhere

this has now been pointed out a few times and it is handily ignored or twisted or called a one off

I think some men hate women. I mean that

I didn't really have a user name prepared when I joined CC, so it was the first thing that came to my head. Hopefully we are all his disciples- but, yeah, if I was alive when Jesus came to Israel, my name probably would not have made it in the Gospel, but I like to think that i would have been in the number of his disciples.

Well, I'm just calling like I see it. This is a good topic, but it's one where people have preconceived ideas about somebody with a point of view. It wasn't really aimed at you or any particular person.

I used to run a water plant. Best of luck getting your new set-up... as well as getting that living water.


Coward

Gospel means good news

LOL coward because I don't wish to be confrontational? No, being brave on a chat site is not raise one to hero status.

How do you see my posts if I am on ignore? I mean, I had acutally hoped you would see it, but I am curious.

How do you see my posts if I am on ignore? I mean, I had acutally hoped you would see it, but I am curious.

LOL Man, I see your post LOl. I am not even disagreeing with you

and unlike so many puffed up men, he took their correction

Kinda odd that Luke would write Priscilla first in a man dominated culture. But anyways they took Apollos (a man) aside and taught him the way of God.

Kinda ironic a woman was the first to be trusted with the Gospel at the garden tomb but back on point.

Again, the setting was not the assembly of believers, a local church. Who was at the tomb and entrusted with the gospel? Because Mary was at the tomb, she was first to be entrusted with the death, burial, and resurrection for sins? Let's just stick with what the scripture actually says.

Mary was at the tomb, she was first to be entrusted with the death, burial, and resurrection for sins? Let's just stick with what the scripture actually says.

that why I have him on ignore

Lol idk about hate as most men are attracted to women. I would agree though in the order of scripture as explains
1 Corinthians 11:3
But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.

But this is not mean the woman is less than man but simply every man, woman, and child has different roles and different strengths. For example, child bearing takes the strength of a woman and no man can have that role while a man in scripture is seen as leader of the household which is burdensome on it's own as to lead he must be like Christ.

So it may not be hate but I believe they just view scripture as saying women should be submissive to the man. Much how that culture in ancient times or the middle east today.

Sad that we have not moved past those days.

...but a thread like this is just rife with anti-woman sentiment but they will not admit it, seeing the Bible as their excuse for their behavior...

THE WOMEN OF THE CHURCH

For several weeks now, I have been thinking of the situation of the women in the Church. It has been heavy on my heart, and I have given much thought as to how best present it here on Christian Chat.

I am not arguing any particular Church Group/Denominational Teaching as being right or wrong. That is not the purpose of this Article.

The purpose of this Article is to discuss the situation that millions of women in the Church find themselves. There are numerous Chruch Groups/Denominations that teach the writings of the Apostle Paul concerning women. For the purpose of this Article, I am taking the position that their teachings are true and Biblical (my personal thoughts not withstanding).

The most taught writing of the Apostle Paul is found in 1 Timothy, Chapter 2:
12) But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

The Churches do not allow women to be Pastors, or hold Offices that give them authority over the men of the Congregation based on this writing. And, as far as I know, the millions of women who attend the Churches that teach this, are not rising up in protest. I can not say how they feel in their hearts, or what they think in their minds, but I am not aware of any great movement by the women to protest this teaching of their Church.

The Church Leaders hold that the Apostle Paul was speaking for God, and, thus, this teaching is a Commandment from God. And as such, must be obeyed. I fully agree that the Commandments from God must be obeyed, for Jesus Himself taught this on numerous occasions. One such is found in the 14th Chapter of John: 15) If ye love me, keep my commandments.


The problem is, this is not the only teaching concerning women that the Apostle Paul wrote. 1 Timothy contains other teachings:

9) In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10) But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
11) Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
The Apostle Paul also stated how a woman would receive salvation:
15) Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

There are othere Epistles where the Apostle spoke of women. The most notable being 1 Corinthians, Chapter 14:
34) Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35) And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

As well, in Titus, Chapter 2 we find:
3) The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

4) That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

5) To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

These are the most know teachings concerning women from the Apostle Paul. Given that it is accepted that the Apostle Paul spoke for God in all he wrote, then all of these teachings must be considered Commandments from God.

And THIS is the situation that millions of women find themselves in!

To be clear, we can show the actual results of the Apostle Paul's teachings:

Women are to keep silence in Church. This means that women are NOT to speak/pray or sing out loud while in the Church Building.

Women are ONLY authorized to teach the young women/girls. However, this teaching can not occur within the Church Building, meaning in a Sunday School Room/Class. For women are forbidden to speak within the Church Building. So, I can only believe that they are to teach the young women at home.

Women are NOT allowed to attend Sunday School Classes, nor are they allowed to own or even read the Holy Bible. The Apostle Paul said "if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home." I can only believe that IF women have a question concerning the Gospel, they are to ask their husbands "at home," and it is the husbands duty to teach his wife the Gospel. In this way, what the women learn from their husbands, they can teach to the young women/girls.

Women are NOT to cut or color or style their hair. Nor are they to wear jewelry or make up. They are to dress in "modest" clothing. The Apostle said:
"9) In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;"

Now, the situation women are faced with is that these writings of the Apostle Paul must be considered Commandments from God, since their Church Leaders have established that all that the Apostle Paul spoke/wrote WERE Commandments from God.

Given this, and given that Jesus Himself commanded that we obey Him, the millions of women who are not obedient to ALL of the Apostles writings find themselves living "daily" in disobedience to the Commandments of God!

I do not know if these women even consider this reality, or, if they do, how they justify not obeying ALL the writings of the Apostle Paul?

I have GRAVE FEAR for these women. My heart hurts for them, and I pray for them. I also do not believe their Church Leaders even recognize the situation THEY have placed their women in! How do the Church Leaders justify enforcing only one of the Apostles writings while ignoring all the rest? Do they realize that they are committing their women to live lives in disobedience to God?

I pray that somehow, some way, the Church Leaders that teach concerning women, and the women themselves begin to find a way to rectify this habitual life of disobedience. I have GRAVE FEAR for these women!

Even though the Apostle said they would be "saved in childbearing," he also stated:
15) Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
To receive their salvation in "childbearing," them MUST live in obedience to Gods Commandments!

I pray that the Church Leaders will sincerely pray and seek to address this dire situation!

Praying for the women of the Church..........

That is completely false. All of a sudden men have become "the enemy". Deal with the Scriptures, not with what you IMAGINE people are thinking or not thinking. So why don't you refute everything written in the epistles about women with other Scriptures telling us the exact opposite?