God tried to kill Moses?

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Lanolin

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Can anyone explain Exodus 4:24-26 to me?

I dont really get it...what did circumcising Moses son had to do with anything. Was God going to kill Moses if Zipporah had not circumcised their son?
was it to pay back for killing the Egyptian? It seems to come out of nowhere, especially after God had instructed Moses to go and do all these miracles in front of everyone.
 

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How old was Gershom when he was circumcised...was he 8 days old or older?
The passage is confusing...the previous passage talks about the firstborn sons of Egypt being killed so I thought it would relate to Gershom being the firstborn more than Moses. Though in my versions (both KJV and ICB) it sprecifically says God tried to kill MOSES.
Zipporah was a Midianite though not an Egyptian, though she wasnt an Hebrew...

I suppose Moses being born in Egypt, might have counted as an Egyptian, and might not have been circumcised, seeing he was adopted. Although his nurse actually was his mother....
 

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also, I dont think Moses was the firstborn as he had his sister Miriam and brother Aaron who were older than him.
 

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FYI:

Gills Exopsition.......

EXCERPT

God was going to kill Moses because of sin. The sin of Moses in Exodus 4:24-26 is not stated explicitly, but the surrounding events give substantial clues as to the nature of Moses’ transgression. God had instructed his messenger to warn pharaoh to free Israel or pharaoh would lose his firstborn son (Exodus 4:21-24). Moses had been specially groomed by God for eighty years for this mission, and now the time for action had come.

HERE

Why was God going to kill Moses in Exodus 4:24-26 ...
 

Lanolin

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oh ok

I dont always trust the got questions site as I asked it a question once and they gave me a totally run around and condescending answer that wasnt even biblically based.
 

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Can anyone explain Exodus 4:24-26 to me?

I dont really get it...what did circumcising Moses son had to do with anything. Was God going to kill Moses if Zipporah had not circumcised their son?
was it to pay back for killing the Egyptian? It seems to come out of nowhere, especially after God had instructed Moses to go and do all these miracles in front of everyone.
Yeah, it was a blood covenant with Abraham.

Genesis 17:10-14
10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.



Moses, Zipporah and Gershom were all children of Abraham:

Abraham > Isaac > Jacob > Levi > Moses > Gershom
Abraham > Midian > Zipporah > Gershom
 

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Can anyone explain Exodus 4:24-26 to me?

I dont really get it...what did circumcising Moses son had to do with anything. Was God going to kill Moses if Zipporah had not circumcised their son?
was it to pay back for killing the Egyptian? It seems to come out of nowhere, especially after God had instructed Moses to go and do all these miracles in front of everyone.
No it was his son God was going to kill, circumcision is a foreshadow of the cross.
 

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I dont really get it...what did circumcising Moses son had to do with anything. Was God going to kill Moses if Zipporah had not circumcised their son?
The key to this passage is Zipporah. She was the daughter of Jethro, who was a Midianite priest. Midianites were idolaters and Moses should not even have married her. So it appears that she resisted the circumcision of her son, even though Moses must have tried to have him circumcised almost immediately after he was born. God was not pleased with this, and since Moses was to lead Israel, he would have to lead by example. So God wanted Moses to see that unless he did something about this matter, his own life was in jeopardy. The fact that Zipporah circumcised the child in this context shows that there must have been some unrecorded conversation at this time between Moses and her, and she finally relented in a huff.
 

Lanolin

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No it was his son God was going to kill, circumcision is a foreshadow of the cross.
some translations make out like God was going to kill MOSES
ICB actually says 'So the Lord did not kill Moses'

KJV doesnt say this. It just says God let him go (him...meaning Gershom, Moses son?)
 

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ICB - International Childrens Bible.
 

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Deu 32:48 And the LORD spake unto Moses that selfsame day, saying,
Deu 32:49 Get thee up into this mountain Abarim, unto mount Nebo, which is in the land of Moab, that is over against Jericho; and behold the land of Canaan, which I give unto the children of Israel for a possession:
Deu 32:50 And die in the mount whither thou goest up, and be gathered unto thy people; as Aaron thy brother died in mount Hor, and was gathered unto his people:
Deu 32:51 Because ye trespassed against me among the children of Israel at the waters of Meribah-Kadesh, in the wilderness of Zin; because ye sanctified me not in the midst of the children of Israel.
Deu 32:52 Yet thou shalt see the land before thee; but thou shalt not go thither unto the land which I give the children of Israel.
 

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Deu 32:48 And the LORD spake unto Moses that selfsame day, saying,
Deu 32:49 Get thee up into this mountain Abarim, unto mount Nebo, which is in the land of Moab, that is over against Jericho; and behold the land of Canaan, which I give unto the children of Israel for a possession:
Deu 32:50 And die in the mount whither thou goest up, and be gathered unto thy people; as Aaron thy brother died in mount Hor, and was gathered unto his people:
Deu 32:51 Because ye trespassed against me among the children of Israel at the waters of Meribah-Kadesh, in the wilderness of Zin; because ye sanctified me not in the midst of the children of Israel.
Deu 32:52 Yet thou shalt see the land before thee; but thou shalt not go thither unto the land which I give the children of Israel.
that came a bit later, the passage I was referring to was before Moses even went back to Egypt.

Though this is a bit peculiar too...Did God tell Moses to just die, or did God kill him or what.
I mean...if God tells you to die in the mountain what do you do...jump off a cliff?
 

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Deu 32:48 And the LORD spake unto Moses that selfsame day, saying,
Deu 32:49 Get thee up into this mountain Abarim, unto mount Nebo, which is in the land of Moab, that is over against Jericho; and behold the land of Canaan, which I give unto the children of Israel for a possession:
Deu 32:50 And die in the mount whither thou goest up, and be gathered unto thy people; as Aaron thy brother died in mount Hor, and was gathered unto his people:
Deu 32:51 Because ye trespassed against me among the children of Israel at the waters of Meribah-Kadesh, in the wilderness of Zin; because ye sanctified me not in the midst of the children of Israel.
Deu 32:52 Yet thou shalt see the land before thee; but thou shalt not go thither unto the land which I give the children of Israel.
that’s a reference to Moses stroking the rock 2 times rather than speaking to it

he was frustrated with the people’s constant complaining and didn’t sanctify Gods word when he didn’t speak to the rock , but instead took it on himself to strike it two times

this seems Not important until you realize the rock was Christ then it becomes more clear what it was Moses actually did to transgress
 

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that’s a reference to Moses stroking the rock 2 times rather than speaking to it

he was frustrated with the people’s constant complaining and didn’t sanctify Gods word when he didn’t speak to the rock , but instead took it on himself to strike it two times

this seems Not important until you realize the rock was Christ then it becomes more clear what it was Moses actually did to transgress

He was supposed to strike the rock, so striking twice wasn't the problem. It was other things including not speaking to the rock but my point was that God killed Moses because of that.
 

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Can anyone explain Exodus 4:24-26 to me?

I dont really get it...what did circumcising Moses son had to do with anything. Was God going to kill Moses if Zipporah had not circumcised their son?
was it to pay back for killing the Egyptian? It seems to come out of nowhere, especially after God had instructed Moses to go and do all these miracles in front of everyone.
This is such a great and honest question. I appreciate it!

I may absolutely be wrong, here, but here are the notes I've taken on this text set:

This seems to be a reflection of Salvation and what Christ does for us. Perhaps Moses had neglected to circumcise his son on the 8th day, of which there were dire consequences: Gen 17:14 NLT - "Any male who fails to be circumcised will be cut off from the covenant family for breaking the covenant."
 

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He was supposed to strike the rock, so striking twice wasn't the problem. It was other things including not speaking to the rock but my point was that God killed Moses because of that.
Um…. Are you sure about that ? It only takes a moment to check

“And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and speak ye unto the rock before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink.

And Moses took the rod from before the Lord, as he commanded him. And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock, and he said unto them, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock? And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod he smote the rock twice: and the water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their beasts also.”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭20:7-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

seems like Moses was told to speak to the rock in everyone’s sight and it would give water but instead in frustration with the people he struck the rock twice as he was not told to do

Then to finish the point God tells him what he did

“And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭20:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

seems pretty rock solid but if we want to talk about what we think it says then we can debate but if we are talking about what took place it’s written

Then of course this thread ends with that being carried out Moses not allowed into the promised land because he did not sanctify Gods commandment in front of the people instead he let frustration in and he failed to sanctify God in thier sight that’s Moses only transgression under law before the law is different under law that’s all he did wrong

Concluding here Aaron already has died before they entered now Moses gets to look from afar and see it but not enter because of what he did

“And the Lord said unto Moses, Get thee up into this mount Abarim, and see the land which I have given unto the children of Israel. And when thou hast seen it, thou also shalt be gathered unto thy people, as Aaron thy brother was gathered. For ye rebelled against my commandment in the desert of Zin, in the strife of the congregation, to sanctify me at the water before their eyes: that is the water of Meribah in Kadesh in the wilderness of Zin.”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭27:12-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I rest my case
 

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The error was giving an outward indication the he caused the water to flow. Moses was instructed *commanded) to SPEAK to the Rock. I like to thin he inadvertently disobeyed.
 

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This is long but worth the read:

Numbers 20:12 And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.

Numbers 27:14 For ye rebelled against my commandment in the desert of Zin, in the strife of the congregation, to sanctify me at the water before their eyes: that is the water of Meribah in Kadesh in the wilderness of Zin.

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06942 qadash {kaw-dash'}

a primitive root; TWOT - 1990; v

AV - sanctify 108, hallow 25, dedicate 10, holy 7, prepare 7,
consecrate 5, appointed 1, bid 1, purified 1, misc 7; 172

1) to consecrate, sanctify, prepare, dedicate, be hallowed, be holy,
be sanctified, be separate
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to be set apart, be consecrated
1a2) to be hallowed
1a3) consecrated, tabooed
1b) (Niphal)
1b1) to show oneself sacred or majestic
1b2) to be honoured, be treated as sacred
1b3) to be holy
1c) (Piel)
1c1) to set apart as sacred, consecrate, dedicate
1c2) to observe as holy, keep sacred
1c3) to honour as sacred, hallow
1c4) to consecrate
1d) (Pual)
1d1) to be consecrated
1d2) consecrated, dedicated
1e) (Hiphil)
1e1) to set apart, devote, consecrate
1e2) to regard or treat as sacred or hallow
1e3) to consecrate
1f) (Hithpael)
1f1) to keep oneself apart or separate
1f2) to cause Himself to be hallowed (of God)
1f3) to be observed as holy
1f4) to consecrate oneself


This would basically mean "be separate", to make sure that you set God apart from and above others. This "sanctifies" God in the sight of others.

God's commandment that Moses "rebelled against" is clearly spoken as having been "to sanctify me". Moses was commanded to do this, but he did not.



Numbers 20:8 Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and speak ye unto the rock before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink.


No account that I know of shows Moses speaking to the rock before their eyes but he was told to do it. Also, he is told by God that he and Aaron "shalt bring forth to them water
out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink."

They were to bring forth the water for the people and give it to them, basically servants to the people.


Numbers 20:10 And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock, and he said unto them, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock?


So, what does Moses do and say?

First he calls the people rebels! He doesnt think they deserve the water, and he certainly doesnt think he should have to serve them the water because they are rebellious!

"must we fetch you water out of this rock?"

Oops, didnt God just tell Moses that he and Aaron had to do that? Why would he question it?

Remember how they were to set God "apart" in front of the people?

That type of rebellious speaking is going against God's commandment and fails to sanctify God. He should have said words that sanctified God rather than speaking words that showed rebellion in front of the people.


Reminds me of what Christ did:



Matthew 14:19 And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to his disciples, and the disciples to the multitude.

Christ was basically "set apart" from the masses. His disciples are like Moses, and they are to give the food to the people from Christ. Surely they werent going to say "must we give the food unto the people?"

God gave water from the rock and Moses was the middle man between God and the people.
Christ gave out the fish and bread and the disciples were the go-between from Christ to the people.




Numbers 27:12 And the LORD said unto Moses, Get thee up into this mount Abarim, and see the land which I have given unto the children of Israel.
Numbers 27:13 And when thou hast seen it, thou also shalt be gathered unto thy people, as Aaron thy brother was gathered.
Numbers 27:14 For ye rebelled against my commandment in the desert of Zin, in the strife of the congregation, to sanctify me at the water before their eyes: that is the water of Meribah in Kadesh in the wilderness of Zin.


Deuteronomy 32:48 And the LORD spake unto Moses that selfsame day, saying,
Deuteronomy 32:49 Get thee up into this mountain Abarim, unto mount Nebo, which is in the land of Moab, that is over against Jericho; and behold the land of Canaan, which I give unto the children of Israel for a possession:
Deuteronomy 32:50 And die in the mount whither thou goest up, and be gathered unto thy people; as Aaron thy brother died in mount Hor, and was gathered unto his people:
Deuteronomy 32:51 Because ye trespassed against me among the children of Israel at the waters of Meribah-Kadesh, in the wilderness of Zin; because ye sanctified me not in the midst of the children of Israel.
Deuteronomy 32:52 Yet thou shalt see the land before thee; but thou shalt not go thither unto the land which I give the children of Israel.


Moses' sin was that he failed to "sanctify God in the midst of the children of Israel". God doesn't say it was striking the rock whether once or twice.


God said to speak to the rock in front of Israel which Moses did not do. Moses spoke to Israel rather than to the rock, and he smote the rock twice but God still caused the miracle of water to come from that rock so I tend to doubt the hitting of the rock twice had anything to do with Moses' sin of not "sanctifying" God before Israel.


Moses was angry at Israel and showed contempt at having to serve them water although this is exactly what God commanded him to do. And Moses also failed to speak to the rock before Israel, but rather spoke to Israel about his anger at them.


Exodus 17:6 Behold, I will stand before thee there upon the rock in Horeb; and thou shalt smite the rock, and there shall come water out of it, that the people may drink. And Moses did so in the sight of the elders of Israel.


Moses was commanded to strike the rock!


Numbers 20:8 Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and speak ye unto the rock before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink.
Numbers 20:9 And Moses took the rod from before the LORD, as he commanded him.
Numbers 20:10 And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock, and he said unto them, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock?
Numbers 20:11 And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod he smote the rock twice: and the water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their beasts also.


What God commanded:


1: gather thou the assembly together
2: speak ye unto the rock/smite the rock before their eyes
3: thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock/ thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink


Assemble the people, speak to the rock, smite the rock, and serve the water to them and their animals.


This is what Moses did instead:


1: He and Aaron gathered the congregation together. (Moses got that part right)
2: He speaks to the people not the rock.
3: He calls the people "rebels".
4: He also says "must we fetch you water out of this rock?" knowing this was exactly what God commanded.
5: The people serve themselves the water.


Christ died once, yes, but he was struck many times, far more than once.


If we look at the context Moses was told to hit a rock, not to kill the rock so being that the verb is in the Hilphil tense we have three options:


1c1) to smite, strike, beat, scourge, clap, applaud, give a thrust
1c2) to smite, kill, slay (man or beast)
1c3) to smite, attack, attack and destroy, conquer, subjugate,


I believe since Moses was told to hit a rock and it was a literal rock even though used symbolically as Christ and that a human man who loved God but was a sinner was hitting Christ we must reconcile this hitting to the stripes Christ took for OUR SINS. It is the same as if we are smiting Christ with those stripes and that's exactly what the example of Moses hitting the rock represents.


Is hitting a rock with a stick representative of an execution of a man or the type of strike a man might receive in a beating before being executed? I think the answer is obvious.


Moses was told to strike the Rock, so striking that Rock was not any form of sin, and doing it twice shouldn't been seen as wrong. It's wrong to strike the Rock at all, unless by commandment.


In conclusion, Moses' sin was failing to sanctify God in front of the people. He had already struck the rock in front of them by commandment so striking the rock again even twice would not have been a bad example in front of them nor would have altered the sanctification of God for them. It was Moses' attitude concerning what he was supposed to do for them by commandment of God that caused the failure of sanctification. Moses was supposed to be a servant of the people and he did not feel they were worthy. We also aren't worthy but Christ came and died for us without complaint.
 

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The error was giving an outward indication the he caused the water to flow. Moses was instructed *commanded) to SPEAK to the Rock. I like to thin he inadvertently disobeyed.
as he often did Moses struggled with frustration against the people constantly complaining , rebelling , doubting , then complaining more God told
Moses to do something clearly and what does he do ?


He was told “speak to the rock in the sight of the people and he will give you waters “

And what he did is go speak at the people from his frustrations with them and instead of obeying he struck the rock in frustration

I don’t know if anyone ever intentionally disobeys I think Moses was a man like us and the people wore on him heavily this is actually evident throughout Moses life it was constantly a struggle because of the sinful uncircumcised hearts of the people

Moses was a human like when he attacked and killed the Egyptian , he acted impulsively then also. Just as his frustration caused him to not sanctify to command of The lord in sight of The people

I never understood the significance of what he did until later when it’s revealed in the nt

“And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭10:4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Moses killed a man and didn’t sanctify the lords command later , Abraham lied, David committed adultery and plotted and carried out a mans killimg to cover it up , Paul persecuted the church and was part of the group that killed Stephen


Just about every important biblical figure other than Christ had a sin debt