Backsliding

well vegetable seeds are not 'incorruptable' obviously, most vegetables are annuals and only last for a season at most.
That is why the Bible talks about a seed that is incorruptable as botanists have found seeds (of trees) to be still viable after hundreds of years. And in the Bible, it talks about bearing spiritual fruit so obviously not talking about vegeatable but rather, fruit trees.

Interesting article...https://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/17/science/17obseed.html

Date Palm seed sprouts after 2000 years!

Oh. My apologies for trying to share a "light" moment.

@Gardenias I am very sorry that you seem to be angry with me, now. This is such a sudden shift in personality. Have I done something to you that would cause such a change in demeanor towards me?

No not angry or else I would have used this 😡 emoji.

Just disagreeing on your take on the nature of the flesh which is sin and has NOT been removed. We must bring it under subjection by the Spirit.
Your thoughts on the divine nature are different to what I believe, not saying your wrong.

Furthermore seems to me you lean to a Calvinistic way of thinking ,which I'm just now seeing.

Sorry to have caused you distress, I'm just being made aware!

I don't know a thing about Calvinism . . . I just quote the Word of God. I don't lean towards anything other than trying to understand what the Bible says.

And yes, it does bother me to see such a drastic change in your character towards me. That never feels good.

Forgive me.
You don't take instruction nor correcting well.
We can learn by comparing spiritual with spiritual.
I'm feel like you are set to your way and refuse to see more deeply.

Scripture very seldom stands alone,but verifies itself with other scripture that confirm the message.
We can help one another grow in listening instead of always thinking we know the answer.
Sometimes we are too busy trying to project our interpretation instead of ingesting the truth!

Not meant to offend but I believe in honesty and sometimes say it too bluntly!

Again plz forgive.

But this is exactly how I feel about others. What are we to do, then?

God punishes wilful sin in the child of God, He doesn't damn them.

And this sounds like the process of Sanctification. Our circumstances can become so awful that we wonder if it is "that thing" that we are doing that is the cause of our struggles. Eventually, as I speak for myself, these "things" we deal with them.

Good to see you, Evmur! You were worth defending and being kicked off of the other site as a result. Still cracks me up.

You say you left off prayer, bible study, fellowship etc and when you repented you came back to doing those things [which Praise God is all good]

But those things were not what saved you in the first place so how can those things either save you now or how can failing to do them lose you your salvation? what we have is eternal life. We received it as a gift.

You will always be saved but whether you will be happy and blest and useful are what is at issue.

OK but do you understand its not always the message sometimes its the way it is expressed?
When I feel I can't be heard,I go back to the word and dig deeper
There are times I see more then there are times its confirmed what I believe.
When we are not able to reach others when we are correct in understanding and knowledge then wisdom teaches us to just move on.

I have had people tell me the truth of the word I could not see,we just let it rest. Then later at the Spirit's direction all of a sudden there it was in plain understanding.

Maybe I'm just a little disappointed BC I thought I was seeing a progression in KNOWLEDGE,UNDERSTANDING THEN WISDOM
Three different words that help us grow..

Again I'm sorry I'll just back out for awhile.

What was that? I was chucked off Theology forums for no reason given but was because I objected to Patrick Jane editing my post on another forum and so withdrew from that forum. So he banned me on Theology Forums as a punishment .... every now and then he emails me asking me to return.

I do not adhere to OSAS and its probably best we leave it there.

I do know what God's gift of Salvation is and his plan for his believers,I just believe after receiving there is more.

No its not by works for sure but is by REMAINING attached to the vine to produce fruit. Its making it to the GOAL that counts last.

I appreciate all that you're saying. From my view, though, I am offering the clearest Scriptures possible that clearly outline the idea that I am relaying. Often, there just is no other explanation other than the Word that I am merely copying and pasting. But so often (at all of these sites) folks aren't here to learn and it is proven by flat out ignoring the Scripture that I offer. It isn't my Scripture, but the Lord's. It is amazing how often, and it is each day that I post, that people simply do not respond to the clearest Scripture there is available to clarify an issue. To date, and I have been on these sites for years now, virtually no one changes their minds about anything. I, however, and as you recall with the Job thread, was pleased to see some great ideas that helped shape my understandings. Also, I recently offered up a post looking for information on "spare the rod, spoil the child." Was I set in my ways if I am openly asking for understanding?

Of course, you are forgiven. You don't even have to ask . . . I live in that forgiving state. And I ask of your forgiveness as well.

It just seems to me that if "we" are to get along, here, we must exist on level planes. We must drive on two-way streets. What's good for the goose ought to be good for the gander, meaning, that if others expect me to understand where they are coming from, I deserve that same view as it comes towards me. But it is this one-way attitude that is so dominant that I can't hardly bear it. And, I admit that I am currently in "burn-out" mode, here. I can only handle the denial of the utter obvious for so long and also admit that I have been telling myself that it is time for me to depart for a while. Why? Because you are right! I am becoming irritated, but I also believe in a way that we witnessed in Paul as he once or twice aggressively cast the dust off of his sandals in opposition to his aggressors.

So as I write this message, I think that it is best that I step away for a while . . . but that bothers me too. I don't want to step away, for I love our Bible and our God so much that I NEED to talk about His Almighty, Powerful Plan. I also want to be here to learn from those who I feel are wiser than myself . . . I am hungry and starving to learn!

I dunno. This is just discouraging that you and I would have this "fallout." I really appreciated your warmth and think of you often in that way . . . wondering if and when I'd run into you again, here. And, when we did, it turned out ugly. That . . . is not easy for me.

My best . . .

We've already made it to the goal ... you are right if we want to be fruitful we must stay attached to the Vine.

There is more to being saved but God is able to do other things than damn us.

This looks interesting, although unfortunately the NYT won't let me read their stuff without a subscription.

In the NT, seed is referred to specifically in the Parable of the Mustard Seed (which becomes a tree), but also mentioned in places like the Parable of the Sower, which is about wheat. Both these seeds are small, and the smaller the seed the less shelf time it has before it will no longer germinate. Wheat generally only remains viable for about 4 months. Mustard seed is still viable for up to about a year. While I didn't get to read the article, I'm guessing tree seeds last far longer because they are much larger and more hard-cased, and therefore protected better.

https://wholegrainscouncil.org/recipes/cooking-whole-grains/storing-whole-grains
https://stick.servicepoint4you.eu/qa/8d85570f48c96/

If a person were detached from the vine Is the scripture below talking about physical death or spiritual death?
I believe this Is talking about physical death.

John 15:2-5
King James Version

2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every [branch] that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
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Can the Incorruptible seed be corrupted?Incorruptible seed meaning GODs workmanship on the Spirit of just men made perfect?

Then educate me...what is the difference...in the overall point of righteousness?

Good morning, Seedtime.

This passage is again talking about either bearing fruit or not bearing fruit, so let me ask you again: Do you believe the shallow ground believers or those filled with thorns that choked the word were saved, yes or no?

14 The sower sows the word. 15 And these are the ones by the wayside where the word is sown. When they hear, Satan comes immediately and takes away the word that was sown in their hearts. 16 These likewise are the ones sown on stony ground who, when they hear the word, immediately receive it with gladness; 17 and they have no root in themselves, and so endure only for a time. Afterward, when tribulation or persecution arises for the word’s sake, immediately they stumble. 18 Now these are the ones sown among thorns; they are the ones who hear the word, 19 and the cares of this world, the deceitfulness of riches, and the desires for other things entering in choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful. 20 But these are the ones sown on good ground, those who hear the word, accept it, and bear fruit: some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some a hundred.”