The only Evidence of Salvation - by Brother Gregg Jackson

I think that having passed from death into everlasting life (as in John 5:24) is salvation

You can only be born again (God give you the Holy Spirit) if you are one of God's elect that God chose before the world was created. So God wrote the names of God's elects in his book of life before the world was created. It's impossible for nonelects to have salvation, so if you find out your nonelect=enjoy your life while you can.

link below is the true gospel of how God gave the Holy Spirit to one of God's elect.

https://christianchat.com/testimoni...s-except-christian-stuff.199651/#post-4583333

Wrong....just purely wrong.

You cannot know whether you are a non-elect; you can only know whether you are of the elect.

Jesus said,

Jhn 6:37, All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

If you come to Jesus He will by no means cast you out.

So, if you want to find out that you are of the elect, come to Jesus Christ, calling on His name.

Rom 10:13, For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Before you call on the name of the Lord and are saved; becoming one of God's elect from the perspective of time affecting eternity; you cannot know that you are of the non-elect; because you do not know whether you will come to Jesus and He will not cast you out. You are simply unsaved; but you cannot know that you are of the non-elect.

Those who were non-elect will only know that when they have finished standing before Christ at His Great White Throne Judgment. At that point, it will be clear that they never received Christ and were therefore always of the non-elect.

Because God does not divulge to mankind the information of who is elect and who is non-elect; lest man offer to God as an excuse for not choosing Him that God simply didn't choose them and therefore they had no choice in the matter.

Because from the perspective of time, every man has a choice in the matter.

For we are predestinated according to foreknowledge (Romans 8:29, 1 Peter 1:2).

I was waiting for you to say "But the Lord showed me the error of my ways and what Love is. And now I am in a faithful relationship."

We're not all made into a bunch of clones being exactly alike.

We still have strong brothers and weak brothers.

The weak brothers are super judgemental and think everyone is sinning all the time.

The strong brothers walk in the Liberty of Christ acknowledging that sin isn't inherent in things but comes from the heart.


An illustration of this is a weak brother goes to a football game and finds that the temptations of the flesh present there cause him to sin. He therefore concludes that everyone going to football games is a sinner. The strong brother goes to the same football game but those same temptations to sin are silly to him. They have no more power. So going to football games, in and of themselves, are not a show of being saved any more than they would be of not being saved.

Judging someone elses salvation based on what YOU think is pretty tricky. Because God gave those thoughts to YOU based on YOUR weaknesses and strengths. Based on your "wisdom" and "knowledge" and "revelation" in the Lord Jesus Christ. Don't assume that everyone is as weak as you. Or as strong.

Read the OP my comment was attached to then read my post again.
It was a hypothetical rebuttal to the OP. Notice it is in italics, ending with “not a true story…”

Point being, we (Christians: those who are born of Spirit) are commanded to judge and given the tools do so rightly.

The OP finds himself on the side of satan here. “Take a person’s word, ignore their fruit and accept them as a brother as long as they make a profession of faith…”

This unbiblical mentality, the idea that it’s not nice to judge, comes from the world of whom satan is the ruler. It’s how he invades biblical churches, placing his minions into membership, elders meetings and even the pulpit.

We are commanded not to follow after false teachers, not to be yoked together with unbelievers, to perform church discipline, the list of commands for us to judge goes on and on and on. Biblical judgement is commanded, those who struggle with this are deceived babes in Christ or not in Christ at all.

Very well put........the Bible says...in the end times there will be great deceptions. We are there and surly surrounded by non biblical teachings under the guise of new age religion interpretations.

Be steady in the Bible and Christ truly......it will get worse.

Jesus is the one that taught us to be non-judgmental as Christians (Matthew 7:1-5, Luke 6:41-42).

Judgmental is different than judging righteously which scriptures tells us we must do.

We still must obey all of God's laws and statues of conduct, from the ten commandments to the least commandment. We cannot choose to obey one without obeying the others. For instance, if it's still good to pay tithes (as many preach), then it is still good to obey God's dietary law (not eating pork, catfish, etc...Leviticus 11:1-47). Similarly, you cannot purposely trip a blind person (Leviticus 19:14) and claim to love your neighbor as yourself. Neither can you break God's Sabbath days (Leviticus 19:30) and claim to love God with all your heart, soul and mind.

Many fight to uphold man's traditional holidays (Sunday the 1st day as the Sabbath, Christmas, Easter and Halloween), but few are obeying God's Holy Days (Saturday the 7th day Sabbath, the Passover, Pentecost, etc...Leviticus 23:1-44). All of God's laws are still good and must be obeyed if we want eternal life. We might not be able to observe everything perfectly, but can fight a good fight. If we do this our prize awaits us at the end. "...if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matthew 19:17).

Throughout the bible we find that in order to receive eternal salvation we must keep God's commandments to the end. If we make a mistake we must not give up, but I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus (Philippians 3:13-14). The last chapter in the whole bible reminds us of this one last time. "Blessed are they that do his commandments that they may have right to the tree of life." (Revelation 22:14). After this we find only seven more verses in the bible, and none of them does away with God's commandments.

The commandments of God are not hard to keep (I John 5:3) and furthermore, they teach us love in the highest degree. If you love Jesus you will keep his commandments (St. John 14:15). You will not displease the Lord by: Worshipping other gods, having graven images, taking his name in vain, breaking his Sabbath day (which is Saturday not Sunday), or dishonoring your parents. On the other hand, if you love your neighbor as yourself you will not kill him, commit adultery with his spouse, steal from him, falsely accuse him, or covet anything of his.

This is true love, and if obeyed how much better would our world be? This is why Jesus said that the two greatest commandments are loving the Lord with all your heart, soul, and mind; and loving your neighbor as yourself (Matthew 22:35-40). These two commandments are the foundation of the entire law. Many reject the law, but it is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good (Romans 7:12) even today.

I believe in your principle point.
Then we must determine the applicable law....example....we must abide by the new dietary law in the NT or new covenant vs the OT old covenant.....old Leviticus vs new;

Lev. 23; 1-44.......

or

1. Matthew 15:11 A man is not defiled by what enters his mouth ...
   biblehub.com/matthew/15-11.htm
   Not that which goes into the mouth defiles a man; but that which comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man. that which goeth. Mark 7:15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man. Luke 11:38-41

Divorce is another.

Do we not understand that if the law under the OT/OC is modified by the NT/NC then the new covenant is the applicable law?
If not how do we distinguish?

Of course.

Jesus said, "you will know them by their fruits."

In order to know a false prophet over the fact that they are bearing bad fruit, we must judge that prophet's fruit.

You can choose that method of salvation for yourself and see where it gets you.

I choose the method of being forgiven through Christ's shed blood.

I do my best to obey the commandments of the Lord in both the Old and New Testaments.

But I am not so foolish as to think that I can be justified through my keeping of the law.

For that requires perfect law-keeping from conception into eternity (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48).

One mess-up will keep you out of heaven; for God requires perfection.

And you have messed up (1 John 1:10, Romans 3:23).

Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations; And repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face. Thou shalt therefore keep the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command thee this day, to do them.” (Deuteronomy 7:6-11)

Paul says in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET.

Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law.

(v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Why in the world would a Christian want to do away with something that God said is holy.

Paul says in (Rom. 4:15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. If there is no law there is no sin.

Which mean we can do as we please when we please! People we must realize everybody has laws by which we must operate by, the governments have laws, your job have laws, your card games have laws, even the boy scouts have laws. But now you are going to try and convince yourselves that the creator of the world has no laws by which we must live.

Remember...In (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts.

Now Paul said in Ephesians 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 4:7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

Now lets understand and reason together, Paul just gave us a run down on condition of sins. People who are behaving in such manner will not inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God, even those who are unclean. Being unclean does not mean a person doesn’t wash up, we are not talking about soap and water. We are talking about defiling the body, with unholiness or unGodliness.

Now Paul said in Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. Keep in mind there was no New Testament when Paul and the apostles wrote these letters. Now lets go back into the Old testament in Leviticus 11:46 This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth: 47 To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.

"Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12).

Notice, the Saints are those who still keep the commandments and faith of God, still to this day.

Actually, those who are in Christ, they are no longer under the law (Romans 6:14) are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and are delivered from the law (Romans 7:4) as concerning condemnation.

And therefore, as concerning condemnation, it is as if there is no law, and as if there is no transgression, and as if there is no sin.

Because we are forgiven of past, present, and future sins when we place our faith in Jesus.

Nevertheless, when a man comes to Christ, the love of the Lord is shed abroad in his heart (Romans 5:5); which love is the fulfilling of the law (Romans 13:8-10, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6; Romans 8:4).

So, as concerning obedience, believers are under the law to Christ (1 Corinthians 9:21)...

The law is written on their hearts and minds under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6).

So, believers in Christ, because of the love of the Lord shed abroad in their hearts (Romans 5:5) will be obedient to the law and will not sin.

However, if they should mess up, they do not lose their unshakable identity that they are righteous in Christ (Romans 4:5); being forgiven of past, present, and future sins.

We ALL remain subject to the law, unless, of course, you consider yourself...perfect.

I believe it is a dangerous practice .....that some are not subject to God's law...we all are and remain so.

What do you do with Galatians 3?