How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

He is talking to Christians about what will happen between that time and His return at a future time.

Instead of accusing the Brethren, which is what Satan does, why not prove with scripture where I am wrong?

Case in point: FIND references in Matthew 24 that proves Jesus was talking to Gentiles.

Perhaps you have overlooked this:
Romans 11:25
For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.

It was a mystery until Paul revealed it: God is waiting for the fullness of the Gentiles to come in.

Luke 21:24
And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Do you see it? We are in the TIME of the Gentiles.

Did you not know that YOU will be judged by PAUL's GOSPEL?

Romans 2:16
in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

Did you not know that Paul was sent to the GENTILES?

Galatians 2:9
and when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.

Satanism - separate the Jew from the Gentile in Christ. This is error and MYTH. Did you not understand the difference of the two realms? There is a spiritual realm and there is a physical realm. Our fleshly bodies are physical. If Jew is born again, his or her body is still a Jewish body. If a Gentile is born again, his or her body is still a Gentile body.

Why is it, anyone that disagrees with YOU is a heathen in your sight?

When anyone asked the question WHEN in responding to the rapture, our first thought should be:

WHAT DOES THE SCRIPTURES SAY?

Well, what DO they say?

Who in the bible received the REVELATION of the rapture? It was Paul. Up until then, the fact that those alive and In Christ would be caught up and changed was a MYSTERY. Paul received His revelation YEARS (perhaps ten years) after Christ gave His end times discourse.

Question: if Jesus was thinking of the rapture when He mentioned the gathering, how then could Paul have written that it was a mystery when He received it?

What is Paul's order of events in 1 Thes. 4 & 5? It is the RAPTURE, then the DAY and then WRATH. However, we know the DAY is the day of WRATH. From Paul then, we know that the rapture PRECEDES the start of the Day of the Lord.

Where does John start the Day of the Lord in Revelation? AT the 6th seal, in Revelation chapter 6.

Where in Revelation would Jesus be when He stated "after the tribulation of those days?" "The tribulation" would certainly include the days of great tribulation, and those days of GT will be started and caused by the Beast and False Prophet forcing people to take their mark or lose their head. Where in Revelation will that begin? Certainly AFTER God warns people not to take the mark - in chapter 14. We see the beheaded (from the days of GT caused by the Beast) beginning to show up in heaven in Rev. 15. We see the 70th week END at the 7th vial. Therefore, when Jesus stated "after the tribulation of those days" He would be speaking of after the 7th vial in Revelation.

Since Paul's rapture must come before wrath, or before the Day of His wrath at the 6th seal, Revelation chapter 6, how in the world can the gathering in Matthew 24 sometime late in chapter 16, be the same gathering as a gathering sometime before the 6th seal start of Wrath?

Answer? It cannot be the same gathering.

As further proof, John SAW the raptured chuch in heaven shortly AFTER the 6th seal start of the Day of His Wrath.

Post-tribbers desparately need for John to have seen the great crowd of the raptured church somewhere in chapter 19 of Revelation to prove their theory. It is not there. It proves pretrib because John saw the raptured church before he started the 70th week.

The Times of the Gentiles is NOT a falsely derived "Gentile Church" - satans religious lie

The lying must stop already - pre-trib, Gentile church, more then one Second Coming, more then one FIRST Resurrection and so on.

You are the one arguing and twisting the words of the LORD and the Apostles without any concern whatsoever.

Read all of Gospel of John, ACTS, ROMANS, GALATIANS, COLOSSIANS

"They are not all Israel who are of Israel" The Mother of us all is Jerusalem from Above, who is FREE with HER CHildren - SHE is Above and not in the flesh, on earth, in physical Israel who is in BONDAGE to SIN and the coming Judgment.

There is One Bride/Body of Christ - Jew and Gentile

The true Light who gives light to every man was coming into the world. He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God— children born not of blood, nor of the desire or will of man, but born of God.

Whoever seeks to separate Jew from Gentile in CHRIST, assaults the Word of God.

Consider this and set yourself Free - No lie is of the Truth - Apostle John

See Brother - you need assistance from the Holy Spirit.

The LORD knew EXACTLY, every word, what HE was saying - Have you forgotten who the LORD Jesus Christ IS - IAM.

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God

You speak of truth is if you knew what it was. The evidence is against you.

I don't "twist:" I quote.

Acts 10:45
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

If LUKE can call Gentile believers as Gentiles, then I can also. No one can receive the mighty baptism in the Holy Spirit unless first they are born again. So here Luke is calling born again believers as Gentiles.

Romans 3:29
Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

Romans 9:30
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

God is the God of Gentiles also.

There is One Bride/Body of Christ - Jew and Gentile Finally, something I can agree with! Good job! In the physical realm they REMAIN Jew and Gentile. But in the realm of the Spirit, their own human spirits are identical: they have no ethnic identity.

Romans 16:4
Who have for my life laid down their own necks: unto whom not only I give thanks, but also all the churches of the Gentiles.

Paul talked of Gentile churches. Why is it you disagree with Paul?

Words. Just words. That was a good side step! Do you deny that Paul put the rapture before the DAY?

The "Times of the Gentiles" is NOT the Body of Christ.

The ToG is the Gentile Rule on earth until the LORD Returns = His Second Coming.

Reject the Vatican lie of a 'Gentile Church'.

Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24which things are symbolic. For these are [g]the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— 25for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— 26but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27For it is written:

“Rejoice, O barren,
You who do not bear!
Break forth and shout,
You who are not in labor!
For the desolate has many more children
Than she who has a husband.”

28Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. 29But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. 30Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.” 31So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.

Now the apostles and elders came together to consider this matter. 7And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8So God, who knows the heart, [a]acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they.”

hen all the multitude kept silent and listened to Barnabas and Paul declaring how many miracles and wonders God had worked through them among the Gentiles. 13And after they had [c]become silent, James answered, saying, “Men and brethren, listen to me: 14Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name. 15And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written:

16‘After this I will return
And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down;
I will rebuild its ruins,
And I will set it up;
17So that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name,
Says the [d]Lord who does all these things.’

Reject the Vatican lie of a 'Gentile Church'.
If Paul speaks of the Gentile church, why can't you?

Make no mistake, we are living in the dispensation of the Gentile church - PAUL's church. He started it. The Jewish church died out in the first century. When the Gentile church ENDS with the rapture, TIME will go right back to Jewish time. The Day of the Lord will start, and very shortly after that, the 70th week will start: JEWISH time. The church will be in heaven.

Question: How will YOU get to the marriage and supper in heaven? Have you figured it out yet?
Please explain where the sheep will come from at the sheep and goat judgment: made up of natural people.

When anyone asked the question WHEN in responding to the rapture, our first thought should be:

WHAT DOES THE SCRIPTURES SAY?

Well, what DO they say?

Who in the bible received the REVELATION of the rapture? It was Paul. Up until then, the fact that those alive and In Christ would be caught up and changed was a MYSTERY. Paul received His revelation YEARS (perhaps ten years) after Christ gave His end times discourse.

Question: if Jesus was thinking of the rapture when He mentioned the gathering, how then could Paul have written that it was a mystery when He received it?

What is Paul's order of events in 1 Thes. 4 & 5? It is the RAPTURE, then the DAY and then WRATH. However, we know the DAY is the day of WRATH. From Paul then, we know that the rapture PRECEDES the start of the Day of the Lord.

Where does John start the Day of the Lord in Revelation? AT the 6th seal, in Revelation chapter 6.

Where in Revelation would Jesus be when He stated "after the tribulation of those days?" "The tribulation" would certainly include the days of great tribulation, and those days of GT will be started and caused by the Beast and False Prophet forcing people to take their mark or lose their head. Where in Revelation will that begin? Certainly AFTER God warns people not to take the mark - in chapter 14. We see the beheaded (from the days of GT caused by the Beast) beginning to show up in heaven in Rev. 15. We see the 70th week END at the 7th vial. Therefore, when Jesus stated "after the tribulation of those days" He would be speaking of after the 7th vial in Revelation.

Since Paul's rapture must come before wrath, or before the Day of His wrath at the 6th seal, Revelation chapter 6, how in the world can the gathering in Matthew 24 sometime late in chapter 16, be the same gathering as a gathering sometime before the 6th seal start of Wrath?

Answer? It cannot be the same gathering.

As further proof, John SAW the raptured chuch in heaven shortly AFTER the 6th seal start of the Day of His Wrath.

Post-tribbers desparately need for John to have seen the great crowd of the raptured church somewhere in chapter 19 of Revelation to prove their theory. It is not there. It proves pretrib because John saw the raptured church before he started the 70th week.

Reject the Vatican lie of a 'Gentile Church'.
If Paul speaks of the Gentile church, why can't you?

Make no mistake, we are living in the dispensation of the Gentile church - PAUL's church. He started it. The Jewish church died out in the first century. When the Gentile church ENDS with the rapture, TIME will go right back to Jewish time. The Day of the Lord will start, and very shortly after that, the 70th week will start: JEWISH time. The church will be in heaven.

Question: How will YOU get to the marriage and supper in heaven? Have you figured it out yet?
Please explain where the sheep will come from at the sheep and goat judgment: made up of natural people.

The "Times of the Gentiles" is NOT the Body of Christ.

The ToG is the Gentile Rule on earth until the LORD Returns = His Second Coming.

--The phrase "the TIMES of the Gentiles" indeed refers to "Gentile domination over Israel" (think: Neb's "dream / statue / image"... with Neb as "head of gold" [started in 606/605bc]... and which will run clear till the end of the 7 yr Trib, concluding with Christ's "RETURN" to the earth in Rev19... per Rev11:2 / Lk21:24c); it involves "Jerusalem shall be TRODDEN DOWN OF the Gentiles until...";

--The phrase "[UNTIL] the FULNESS of the Gentiles be come in [G1525]" is a completely DISTINCT thing, however (see its context: Rom11:25[15],27 ... "blindness [/a hardening]... UNTIL the FULNESS of the Gentiles be come in [G1525]")

Did you not stop to think that when Jesus taught the people about the end of their age, the Gentile church of today DID NOT EXIST. In fact, no part of the church existed at that time. Perhaps you don't understand: the church of today WOULD NOT exist if Israel had accepted their Messiah. They refuses so God sent Paul to the Gentiles.

Can you find any words in Matthew 24 that PROVE it is about the church? I have already shown you two proofs it is about the JEWS. The church did not meet in Synagogues. And the 70th week is not for the Gentiles.

Make no mistake, we are living in the dispensation of the Gentile church - PAUL's church. He started it. The Jewish church died out in the first century. When the Gentile church ENDS with the rapture, TIME will go right back to Jewish time. The Day of the Lord will start, and very shortly after that, the 70th week will start: JEWISH time. The church will be in heaven.

If you disagree, find scriptures that prove I am in error. I will repent if I am in error. I have done it many times.

You seem obsessed with a thought in error: that pretrib is a lie. This fits today in the US very well. What is truth is called a lie, and what is a lie is imagined as truth. However, this is of the world. We are not of the world. We should be able to determine what is truth.

Question: did Paul put the DAY before the Rapture, or the RAPTURE before the DAY?
Answer from Scripture: Paul put the rapture FIRST, then the Day.

Why then are you so determined to SWITCH Paul's order? You did not receive the revelation of the Rapture! That was PAUL that received it. Why then would you imagine you know more about it than Paul?

WHERE was this great crowd when John saw them? Of course, they were IN HEAVEN. John did not see them arrive, did he? Well, did he? No, he saw them already there. That means they arrived in heaven some time BEFORE Rev. 7 timing. (this is just basic logic.)

WHEN then, did they leave earth and arrive in heaven? It HAD to be before the 6th seal start of WRATH. If you deny this, you are disagreeing with Paul.

Pre-trib is a lie because it never came out of the Mouth of God and cannot be found in Scripture.

Since the Scriptures showing that the Lord Jesus Christ Himself taught the Pre-Tribulation Rapture have been posted many times, not only is this statement false, but it makes you the liar. Like I said -- CEASE AND DESIST.

When anyone asked the question WHEN in responding to the rapture, our first thought should be:

WHAT DOES THE SCRIPTURES SAY?

Well, what DO they say?

Who in the bible received the REVELATION of the rapture? It was Paul. Up until then, the fact that those alive and In Christ would be caught up and changed was a MYSTERY. Paul received His revelation YEARS (perhaps ten years) after Christ gave His end times discourse.

Question: if Jesus was thinking of the rapture when He mentioned the gathering, how then could Paul have written that it was a mystery when He received it?

What is Paul's order of events in 1 Thes. 4 & 5? It is the RAPTURE, then the DAY and then WRATH. However, we know the DAY is the day of WRATH. From Paul then, we know that the rapture PRECEDES the start of the Day of the Lord.

Where does John start the Day of the Lord in Revelation? AT the 6th seal, in Revelation chapter 6.

Where in Revelation would Jesus be when He stated "after the tribulation of those days?" "The tribulation" would certainly include the days of great tribulation, and those days of GT will be started and caused by the Beast and False Prophet forcing people to take their mark or lose their head. Where in Revelation will that begin? Certainly AFTER God warns people not to take the mark - in chapter 14. We see the beheaded (from the days of GT caused by the Beast) beginning to show up in heaven in Rev. 15. We see the 70th week END at the 7th vial. Therefore, when Jesus stated "after the tribulation of those days" He would be speaking of after the 7th vial in Revelation.

Since Paul's rapture must come before wrath, or before the Day of His wrath at the 6th seal, Revelation chapter 6, how in the world can the gathering in Matthew 24 sometime late in chapter 16, be the same gathering as a gathering sometime before the 6th seal start of Wrath?

Answer? It cannot be the same gathering.

As further proof, John SAW the raptured chuch in heaven shortly AFTER the 6th seal start of the Day of His Wrath.

Post-tribbers desparately need for John to have seen the great crowd of the raptured church somewhere in chapter 19 of Revelation to prove their theory. It is not there. It proves pretrib because John saw the raptured church before he started the 70th week.

For example: Paul places the rapture BEFORE the Day of the Lord