Once Saved Always Saved is True.

So when jesus said they will NEVER DIE, he lied?

Why do you want to insist your own works into salvation?

No, he predestined us before time began.

we can’t twist that to mean what it does not mean, he knew who would recieve and who would reject, we have to stop relegating God to time and human flaws

So let's add the next verse.

John 6:40

"And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."

Who is it that that he will not lose? Everyone which seeth the Son and believeth on Him!

Don't tell me there are none who turn their backs on Christ and forfeit their salvation!

So let's add the next verse.

John 6:40

"And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."

Who is it that that he will not lose? Everyone which seeth the Son and believeth on Him!

Don't tell me there are none who turn their backs on Christ and forfeit their salvation!

Lol.. Yep. I never did find out if he got an answer

But that's the problem, the abundant life preachers don't preach the Gospel.

In fact, Joel Osteen is recorded on the Larry King show saying we don't mention the Cross, the Blood, we don't want to offend anyone.

It's not just him, it's everyone of them! The abundant life so-called Gospel is contrary to the Cross of Christ in the way it is preached and purposed today!

Ouch?

It's supposed to be funny. I guess I have to s-p-e-l-l it out for you. Instead of typing EG for Eternally Gratefully, I typed ET. Then they started a thread about ET-the character from the 1980's movie, ET? Sheesh.....

I hope that clears that up--it was to Eternally Gratefully in any case, so not sure why you're even responding.

One can't say only the King James is preserved without error since it is a translation of the original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts as are many other faithful translations; to state it the only one without error is a false statement and cannot be supported with facts.

One can't say only the King James is preserved without error since it is a translation of the original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts as are many other faithful translations; to state it the only one without error is a false statement and cannot be supported with facts.

Didn't He say, whosoever believeth in me shall never die?

You know e-g, I have to agree with Laura! You are one of if not the most rudest person I have met online!

Still accusing me of working for my salvation because I disagree with you.

I’m not seeing how those verses indicate one can lose justification. That would mean one can give up their salvation due their own accord. That does match up with God’s nature as revealed to us nor does keep inline with His promises.

Would it be fair to say that a persons name can be blotted out from the book of life? I think a lot of people like the idea of Jesus as a man, kind, compassionate,, and loving. It makes them feel good. I know that a lot don’t accepting Him as God and Lord. As it was said by Jesus Himself:

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day,‘ Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

These are people who were never saved. A false covert so to speak. Judas would a prime example of this. This has been a point or contention for centuries now. I don’t think we will truly understand it in this life.

Here is your post I responded to--I do not read only your posts, I am reading all the other posts. You can't blame me for not seeing an earlier post, that's unreasonable--I can't apologize for not responding to something I didn't read.

Further more, I was responding to Charlie and you commented on that. You are the one that was saying I was twisting words.

You said "NO he predestined us before time began"--those are YOUR words.

So I was saying , no we are predestined to be conformed into the image of His son and that His plans will not be thwarted.

In any case, if you feel i've pigeoned holed you as a Calvinist I apologize.

I’m not seeing how those verses indicate one can lose justification. That would mean one can give up their salvation due their own accord. That does match up with God’s nature as revealed to us nor does keep inline with His promises.

Would it be fair to say that a persons name can be blotted out from the book of life? I think a lot of people like the idea of Jesus as a man, kind, compassionate,, and loving. It makes them feel good. I know that a lot don’t accepting Him as God and Lord. As it was said by Jesus Himself:

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day,‘ Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

These are people who were never saved. A false covert so to speak. Judas would a prime example of this. This has been a point or contention for centuries now. I don’t think we will truly understand it in this life.

It was intercepted by someone who told him the warranty on his spaceship was expired.

I believe that anyone who truly desires to follow Jesus has been elected (or chosen) by God.

"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. "And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand. - John 10:27-29 (NKJV)

The saints (Christians) are referred to as “the elect" throughout the epistles. Those who have been predestined will always obey Jesus Christ's call when they hear it. God's GRACE is what saves us. Then we are justified, adopted, and made children of God, and we are transformed into the image of God's only Son, Jesus Christ.

For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. - Romans 8:29-30 (NKJV)

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. - Ephesians 2:8-10 (NKJV)

Ezekiel 18:24

"But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die."

The Old Testament folks were saved the same way we are, by faith in Jesus Christ!

Those before the Cross looked forward to the coming Messiah and acknowledged faith in Him through the sacrifice of an innocent animal which represented Christ.

After the Cross we look back to the Messiah who sacrificed Himself for our sins.

The point I am making is that the "righteous" in Ezek. 18:24 is a believer in the Messiah who is saved, but has turned from that righteousness by no longer believing. The righteousness he had came from faith, he now no longer has that faith!

All that he did that was good while he believed is no longer acknowledged by God and he is condemned by no longer having faith.

He lost his salvation by no longer having faith, which gave him the righteousness.

Did he?

John 6: 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes [j]in Me has everlasting life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead.50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”

as for being rude

Being rude is accusing someone of things they never said

Being rude is continually insinuating someone believes in a calvinist thinking when they do not

Being rude is someone after they had already been told that you believe we are predestined to be conformed to the image of God. Mocking you, and saying we are predestined to be conformed to the image of God. Then when you show them that is what you believe, they get mad, blame shift and pout, then say their not going to talk to you anymore

As for you. YTou again prove ytou, like her, can;t listen to a word anyone says.

I accuse you of trying to be sanctified by the law. I have not accused you of being justified by the law. I have liked your posts where you claim you believe we are justified by the law. And even commented on them in agreement.

I am not sure what is wrong with you too. But you have serious comprehension issues, You get mad when people try to share with you what they see.

I don;t care if you or her believe what I believe. It has no affect on my eternity.

However, this is a discussion forum, If neither of you to are open to actual discussion where you actually listen to another person who is trying to discuss something with you. Then get mad when they continually try to tell you you are not understanding them

Thats a personal issue on you two

Conversation with you is an endless contention that I have with no other on this forum. It appears if one disagrees with you the contention is on! Then you get nasty and begin the accusations! That is not the trait of a born-again Christian!