The Parable of the Ten Virgins Explained
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BroTan,
I'm confused by what you said here : So many people want the Holy Spirit but refuse to keep the Commandments and the Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week is included in the Commandments as well.
Who are these people that 'want' the Holy Spirit? I would think it is only those who are seeking God and His will.
It seems though, you have put the cart before the horse, as we receive the gift of the Holy Spirit when we accept Christ. Of course the Spirit can be and is quenched. As I mentioned to you before, I had begun to wonder why we are to keep all the commandments with exception of the Sabbath. One day I simply asked the question and then searched the Scriptures. I also discovered it was Constantine who changed the Sabbath to Sunday--Sunday being the day pagans worshipped the Sun God (who is really Satan). I was disturbed that I had gone my whole life going to church on Sunday and thinking it was the Sabbath, but in Acts we see both the Jews and Gentiles gathering in the Assembly on Saturday, not only on that 7th day but every day of the week. In many other languages-in the hundreds --Saturday is called the Sabbath.
I do believe now it is impossible to change the Sabbath as God Himself wrote the 10 Commandments in Stone, which means they are perpetual forever and cannot be changed--the Sabbath is the 7th day--the 1st day cannot become the 7th day. And I discovered it simply by asking the question "Why?"
However, we are called to keep ALL of the Commandments--"If you love me, you will keep the commandments."
How do we do this? Paul himself said, "The thing I hate I do." It is only thru the Holy Spirit that we are able to discern the word of God and keep the commandments.
Believers Meeting on the Sabbath Bible Verses:
Here we can see that in Acts 17, which is said to be 22 years after Christ's death and resurrection, the disciples were attending Sabbath services with the Jewish people on the seventh day of the week
I'm confused by what you said here : So many people want the Holy Spirit but refuse to keep the Commandments and the Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week is included in the Commandments as well.
Who are these people that 'want' the Holy Spirit? I would think it is only those who are seeking God and His will.
It seems though, you have put the cart before the horse, as we receive the gift of the Holy Spirit when we accept Christ. Of course the Spirit can be and is quenched. As I mentioned to you before, I had begun to wonder why we are to keep all the commandments with exception of the Sabbath. One day I simply asked the question and then searched the Scriptures. I also discovered it was Constantine who changed the Sabbath to Sunday--Sunday being the day pagans worshipped the Sun God (who is really Satan). I was disturbed that I had gone my whole life going to church on Sunday and thinking it was the Sabbath, but in Acts we see both the Jews and Gentiles gathering in the Assembly on Saturday, not only on that 7th day but every day of the week. In many other languages-in the hundreds --Saturday is called the Sabbath.
I do believe now it is impossible to change the Sabbath as God Himself wrote the 10 Commandments in Stone, which means they are perpetual forever and cannot be changed--the Sabbath is the 7th day--the 1st day cannot become the 7th day. And I discovered it simply by asking the question "Why?"
However, we are called to keep ALL of the Commandments--"If you love me, you will keep the commandments."
How do we do this? Paul himself said, "The thing I hate I do." It is only thru the Holy Spirit that we are able to discern the word of God and keep the commandments.
Believers Meeting on the Sabbath Bible Verses:
Acts 17:1 (NKJV) Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a synagogue of the Jews. 2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures, 3 explaining and demonstrating that the Messiah had to suffer and rise again from the dead, and [saying], “This Yahushua whom I preach to you is the Messiah.” 4 And some of them were persuaded; and a great multitude of the devout Greeks, and not a few of the leading women, joined Paul and Silas.
Here we see that Paul went to a Sabbath service three times, where there were both Jews and Greeks. The scripture also mentions that this was a regular custom of Paul.Here we can see that in Acts 17, which is said to be 22 years after Christ's death and resurrection, the disciples were attending Sabbath services with the Jewish people on the seventh day of the week
Acts 13:13 – Now when Paul and his party set sail from Paphos, they came to Perga in Pamphylia; and John, departing from them, returned to Jerusalem. 14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and sat down. 15 And after the reading of the Law and the Prophets, the rulers of the synagogue sent to them, saying, “Men [and] brethren, if you have any word of exhortation for the people, say on
Acts 13:42 – So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Acts 13:43 – Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God 44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
Acts 16:11 – Therefore, sailing from Troas, we ran a straight course to Samothrace, and the next [day] came to Neapolis, 12 and from there to Philippi, which is the foremost city of that part of Macedonia, a colony. And we were staying in that city for some days. 13 And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met [there].
Acts 18:1 – After these things Paul departed from Athens and went to Corinth. 2 And he found a certain Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, who had recently come from Italy with his wife Priscilla (because Claudius had commanded all the Jews to depart from Rome); and he came to them. 3 So, because he was of the same trade, he stayed with them and worked; for by occupation they were tentmakers. 4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.
Again I know the Holy Spirit can be quenched by not studying God's word, let the troubles of this world 'choke' Him out, and by living in willful sin--and by not obeying the commandments as Christ commanded us to do "If you love me, keep my commandments". It is only in SURRENDER--allowing Christ to live His resurrected life in us that we can keep the commandments. I am still coming out of a 'slumber'--slumber of lies in the mainstream church that I thought were the truth, the slumber of not realizing the same power that rose Jesus from the grave lives in us. Praise, Gratitude, Thanksgiving, Seeking His Will, Repentance--making disciples of all men...so many things to do, but only thru Christ can we live the Christian life.
Oh David, the scriptures you’re quoting from I Corinthians 11:1-16 are about wearing of literal cloth shawls/hats/head coverings during public worship in church and speaks of the man and woman that are in a MARRIAGE COVENANT as husband and wife…
And you should follow my example, just as I follow Christ’s. I am so glad, dear brothers, that you have been remembering and doing everything I taught you.
But there is one matter I want to remind you about: that a wife is responsible to her husband, her husband is responsible to Christ, and Christ is responsible to God. That is why, if a man refuses to remove his hat while praying or preaching, he dishonors Christ. And that is why a woman who publicly prays or prophesies without a covering on her head dishonors her husband, for her covering is a sign of her subjection to him. Yes, if she refuses to wear a head covering, then she should cut off all her hair. And if it is shameful for a woman to have her head shaved, then she should wear a covering. But a man should not wear anything on his head when worshiping, for his hat is a sign of subjection to men. God’s glory is man made in his image, and man’s glory is the woman.
The first man didn’t come from woman, but the first woman came out of man. And Adam, the first man, was not made for Eve’s benefit, but Eve was made for Adam. So a woman should wear a covering on her head as a sign that she is under man’s authority, a fact for all the angels to notice and rejoice in.
But remember that in God’s plan men and women need each other. For although the first woman came out of man, all men have been born from women ever since, and both men and women come from God their Creator.
What do you yourselves really think about this? Is it right for a woman to pray in public without covering her head? Doesn’t even instinct itself teach us that women’s heads should be covered? For women are proud of their long hair, while a man with long hair tends to be ashamed.
But if anyone wants to argue about this, all I can say is that we never teach anything else than this—that a woman should wear a covering when prophesying or praying publicly in the church, and all the churches feel the same way about it.
1 Corinthians 11:1-14,16 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=1 Corinthians 11:1-14,16&version=TLB
(in the Body of Christ, there is no male or female - Christ is the Head of His Church His Body).
And you should follow my example, just as I follow Christ’s. I am so glad, dear brothers, that you have been remembering and doing everything I taught you.
But there is one matter I want to remind you about: that a wife is responsible to her husband, her husband is responsible to Christ, and Christ is responsible to God. That is why, if a man refuses to remove his hat while praying or preaching, he dishonors Christ. And that is why a woman who publicly prays or prophesies without a covering on her head dishonors her husband, for her covering is a sign of her subjection to him. Yes, if she refuses to wear a head covering, then she should cut off all her hair. And if it is shameful for a woman to have her head shaved, then she should wear a covering. But a man should not wear anything on his head when worshiping, for his hat is a sign of subjection to men. God’s glory is man made in his image, and man’s glory is the woman.
The first man didn’t come from woman, but the first woman came out of man. And Adam, the first man, was not made for Eve’s benefit, but Eve was made for Adam. So a woman should wear a covering on her head as a sign that she is under man’s authority, a fact for all the angels to notice and rejoice in.
But remember that in God’s plan men and women need each other. For although the first woman came out of man, all men have been born from women ever since, and both men and women come from God their Creator.
What do you yourselves really think about this? Is it right for a woman to pray in public without covering her head? Doesn’t even instinct itself teach us that women’s heads should be covered? For women are proud of their long hair, while a man with long hair tends to be ashamed.
But if anyone wants to argue about this, all I can say is that we never teach anything else than this—that a woman should wear a covering when prophesying or praying publicly in the church, and all the churches feel the same way about it.
1 Corinthians 11:1-14,16 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=1 Corinthians 11:1-14,16&version=TLB
(in the Body of Christ, there is no male or female - Christ is the Head of His Church His Body).
What you have said is NOT TRUE.
However, Paul has said NOT to argue about it so, I choose to turn my focus back to the main topic of this thread which is the Parable of the Ten Virgins….
However, Paul has said NOT to argue about it so, I choose to turn my focus back to the main topic of this thread which is the Parable of the Ten Virgins….
Jesus' use of the number 10
The 10 Commandments
God gave us the 10 Commandments that were a reflection of His expectations of mankind and as a way to represent His holiness. The first four are vertical (towards God) and the last six are horizontal (human relations). Couldn’t there have been more than 10 Commandments? Why not 15 or 20? The fact is that the 10 Commandments, if kept, would be all that society would require to live in peace and harmony with both God and mankind. The number 10 seems to reflect God’s authority or God’s governmental rule over the affairs of mankind. This is seen elsewhere as in the 10 elders that were placed in most of the city gates of Israel (Ruth 4:2) so the number 10 also seems to represents man’s responsibility of obedience to God’s law. Such a number seems to indicate the law, responsibility and a completeness of order in both divine and human structures of society. Some scholars see 10 as the number of divine perfection.
Ten Generations
There were exactly 10 generations that lived up to the flood of Noah’s day when the flood of God’s judgment on sinful mankind overwhelmed all those who refused to repent. Noah was the 10th patriarch and after this generation, God’s judgment fell on mankind because “The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord regretted that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. So the Lord said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens, for I am sorry that I have made them.” But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord” (Gen 6:5-8). Abraham, the father of the faithful, was the 10th generation from Shem, the son of Noah (Gen 11:10-26).
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/chris...number-ten-10-mean-or-represent-in-the-bible/
- Jesus loved to use the number 10 in many of His sayings, particularly His parable:
- There were 10 virgins (Matt 25:1-13).
- There were 10 lepers (Luke 17:11-19).
- There were 10 talents (Matt 25:14-30).
- There were 10 minas (Luke 19:12-27).
- There were exactly 10 “I AM’s” spoken by Jesus in the Gospel of John.
The 10 Commandments
God gave us the 10 Commandments that were a reflection of His expectations of mankind and as a way to represent His holiness. The first four are vertical (towards God) and the last six are horizontal (human relations). Couldn’t there have been more than 10 Commandments? Why not 15 or 20? The fact is that the 10 Commandments, if kept, would be all that society would require to live in peace and harmony with both God and mankind. The number 10 seems to reflect God’s authority or God’s governmental rule over the affairs of mankind. This is seen elsewhere as in the 10 elders that were placed in most of the city gates of Israel (Ruth 4:2) so the number 10 also seems to represents man’s responsibility of obedience to God’s law. Such a number seems to indicate the law, responsibility and a completeness of order in both divine and human structures of society. Some scholars see 10 as the number of divine perfection.
Ten Generations
There were exactly 10 generations that lived up to the flood of Noah’s day when the flood of God’s judgment on sinful mankind overwhelmed all those who refused to repent. Noah was the 10th patriarch and after this generation, God’s judgment fell on mankind because “The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord regretted that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. So the Lord said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens, for I am sorry that I have made them.” But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord” (Gen 6:5-8). Abraham, the father of the faithful, was the 10th generation from Shem, the son of Noah (Gen 11:10-26).
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/chris...number-ten-10-mean-or-represent-in-the-bible/
Tell me what the Holy Spirit is showing you about the parable of the Ten Virgins…
Why do you suppose Jesus called all ten virgins..yet, 5 He called foolish and 5 He called wise….
Yet, the ONLY difference was the OIL….
The ones WITH OIL Jesus KNEW and they were READY at His coming.
OIL is the Holy Spirit and ONLY by the Holy Spirit will we know Jesus Christ and have HIS LIGHT at His coming.
What are your thoughts?
Why do you suppose Jesus called all ten virgins..yet, 5 He called foolish and 5 He called wise….
Yet, the ONLY difference was the OIL….
The ones WITH OIL Jesus KNEW and they were READY at His coming.
OIL is the Holy Spirit and ONLY by the Holy Spirit will we know Jesus Christ and have HIS LIGHT at His coming.
What are your thoughts?
Tell me what the Holy Spirit is showing you about the parable of the Ten Virgins…
Why do you suppose Jesus called all ten virgins..yet, 5 He called foolish and 5 He called wise….
Yet, the ONLY difference was the OIL….
The ones WITH OIL Jesus KNEW and they were READY at His coming.
OIL is the Holy Spirit and ONLY by the Holy Spirit will we know Jesus Christ and have HIS LIGHT at His coming.
What are your thoughts?
Why do you suppose Jesus called all ten virgins..yet, 5 He called foolish and 5 He called wise….
Yet, the ONLY difference was the OIL….
The ones WITH OIL Jesus KNEW and they were READY at His coming.
OIL is the Holy Spirit and ONLY by the Holy Spirit will we know Jesus Christ and have HIS LIGHT at His coming.
What are your thoughts?
It is not symbolic of anything other then the Holy Spirit
Remember that the unbelieving Jews tread the waters of permanent unforgiveness when they accused Jesus of casting out demons by satan.
The five foolish virgins are religious people who rejected the work of the Holy Spirit and as such never were known(marriage) by the LORD.
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1) wrong
In acts several times they recieved the Holy Spirit via laying on of hands. Transfer. As in the foolish asking the wise to impart oil to them.
John said " i was in the spirit on the lords day" implying he was not all the time.
In acts it says " stephen full of the spirit...."
Acts 6
55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
Acts 3;6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.
There it is again..gave what he had. In perfect alignment with the virgin story.
Acts 4
8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,
Filled....again?
Hmmmm
Acts 5
31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
Huh?? Filled yet again???
Hmmmmm
Acts 8
15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
I hope all that helps
2) bad exegesis to make the word " buy" into what your mind envisions.
Please read rev 3
knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment,
It is plain to "see buy" has nothing to do with what you are transposing on to it.
So in mentally stringing verses together you have placed Jesus into erroneously instructing backsliders to purchase something from God to recieve right standing.
So every point you have made is poorly thought out.
A parable is a story within a story
By transposing false dynamics into it.....you will never understand it.
In acts several times they recieved the Holy Spirit via laying on of hands. Transfer. As in the foolish asking the wise to impart oil to them.
John said " i was in the spirit on the lords day" implying he was not all the time.
In acts it says " stephen full of the spirit...."
Acts 6
55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
Acts 3;6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.
There it is again..gave what he had. In perfect alignment with the virgin story.
Acts 4
8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,
Filled....again?
Hmmmm
Acts 5
31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
Huh?? Filled yet again???
Hmmmmm
Acts 8
15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
I hope all that helps
2) bad exegesis to make the word " buy" into what your mind envisions.
Please read rev 3
knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment,
It is plain to "see buy" has nothing to do with what you are transposing on to it.
So in mentally stringing verses together you have placed Jesus into erroneously instructing backsliders to purchase something from God to recieve right standing.
So every point you have made is poorly thought out.
A parable is a story within a story
By transposing false dynamics into it.....you will never understand it.
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Tell me what the Holy Spirit is showing you about the parable of the Ten Virgins…
Why do you suppose Jesus called all ten virgins..yet, 5 He called foolish and 5 He called wise….
Yet, the ONLY difference was the OIL….
The ones WITH OIL Jesus KNEW and they were READY at His coming.
OIL is the Holy Spirit and ONLY by the Holy Spirit will we know Jesus Christ and have HIS LIGHT at His coming.
What are your thoughts?
Why do you suppose Jesus called all ten virgins..yet, 5 He called foolish and 5 He called wise….
Yet, the ONLY difference was the OIL….
The ones WITH OIL Jesus KNEW and they were READY at His coming.
OIL is the Holy Spirit and ONLY by the Holy Spirit will we know Jesus Christ and have HIS LIGHT at His coming.
What are your thoughts?
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That's not Acts 6, it's Acts 7.
Stephen did not receive the Holy Spirit again. Acts 7:55-56 is the only example of Stephen receiving the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit isn't received more than once.
That does not align with the parable of the ten virgins. A healing is not the same of being filled with the Holy Spirit. The power of healing comes from the Holy Spirit, but the verses you quoted don't say anything about the lame man receiving the Holy Spirit.
Where does it say filled again? Peter already had the Holy Spirit.
Speaking of bad exegesis... I totally agree, but probably not for the same reasons you have.
That's called a Red Herring and is unrelated to your suggestion that the oil is the Holy Spirit.
Acts 8:18-22 says that literally attempting to buy the Holy Spirit with money is a sin.
Revelation 3:17-19 is not about purchasing the Holy Spirit with oil. It's not even about literally purchasing anything, but if it were then those things wouldn't be sins to purchase since there is a precedent created from authority.
Jesus wouldn't use a symbolic parable instructing people to buy oil that is the Holy Spirit if literally trying to buy the Holy Spirit is a sin, which it is.
Your pretense is entirely false so your conclusion of me playing mental gymnastics doesn't even make sense to me.
I plan to do a write up later that will nail the coffin of your false doctrine shut as tight as a drum.
Stephen did not receive the Holy Spirit again. Acts 7:55-56 is the only example of Stephen receiving the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit isn't received more than once.
That does not align with the parable of the ten virgins. A healing is not the same of being filled with the Holy Spirit. The power of healing comes from the Holy Spirit, but the verses you quoted don't say anything about the lame man receiving the Holy Spirit.
Where does it say filled again? Peter already had the Holy Spirit.
Speaking of bad exegesis... I totally agree, but probably not for the same reasons you have.
That's called a Red Herring and is unrelated to your suggestion that the oil is the Holy Spirit.
Acts 8:18-22 says that literally attempting to buy the Holy Spirit with money is a sin.
Revelation 3:17-19 is not about purchasing the Holy Spirit with oil. It's not even about literally purchasing anything, but if it were then those things wouldn't be sins to purchase since there is a precedent created from authority.
Jesus wouldn't use a symbolic parable instructing people to buy oil that is the Holy Spirit if literally trying to buy the Holy Spirit is a sin, which it is.
Your pretense is entirely false so your conclusion of me playing mental gymnastics doesn't even make sense to me.
I plan to do a write up later that will nail the coffin of your false doctrine shut as tight as a drum.
Tell me what the Holy Spirit is showing you about the parable of the Ten Virgins…
Why do you suppose Jesus called all ten virgins..yet, 5 He called foolish and 5 He called wise….
Yet, the ONLY difference was the OIL….
The ones WITH OIL Jesus KNEW and they were READY at His coming.
OIL is the Holy Spirit and ONLY by the Holy Spirit will we know Jesus Christ and have HIS LIGHT at His coming.
What are your thoughts?
Why do you suppose Jesus called all ten virgins..yet, 5 He called foolish and 5 He called wise….
Yet, the ONLY difference was the OIL….
The ones WITH OIL Jesus KNEW and they were READY at His coming.
OIL is the Holy Spirit and ONLY by the Holy Spirit will we know Jesus Christ and have HIS LIGHT at His coming.
What are your thoughts?
Please spend time on Brother Absolutely's Post #372 as it is Beautiful to the LORD and 100% Truth
When we strive to make Scripture fit our agenda it leads to error.
Please spend time in reading Acts as it is gives to us the most important understanding of the Holy Spirit after the Gospel of John.
Make the Holy Spirit just as important to you as Christ is and you will be Greatly Blessed.
To be honest I don't have an agenda other than making sure the Bible is represented fairly, accurately, and consistently through the scriptures. Whatever that may be.
If the oil in the parable of the ten virgins could remain consistent with scripture as being God's Holy Spirit then I would happily accept that.
I've demonstrated some errors in the general theology of the oil being Holy Spirit and Absolutely's post.
Just out of curiosity, why do you insist on the error of the Holy Spirit being oil in this parable if it doesn't fit?
If the oil in the parable of the ten virgins could remain consistent with scripture as being God's Holy Spirit then I would happily accept that.
I've demonstrated some errors in the general theology of the oil being Holy Spirit and Absolutely's post.
Just out of curiosity, why do you insist on the error of the Holy Spirit being oil in this parable if it doesn't fit?
Lol
"""Revelation 3:17-19 is not about purchasing the Holy Spirit with oil. It's not even about literally purchasing anything, but if it were then those things wouldn't be sins to purchase since there is a precedent created from authority."""
Bingo.
It is used figuratively as "OBTAIN" OR "GET"
AHEM....show me where in rev or in mat 25 where anyone bought anything.
You are pivoting your position on " buy" which is used figuratively in both instances.
"""Jesus wouldn't use a symbolic parable instructing people to buy oil that is the Holy Spirit if literally trying to buy the Holy Spirit is a sin, which it is."""
You just made my point. He didnt
1) and yet he himself did so in a non figurative, non parable declaration. (In rev)
2) bizarre, that you would assure us of the impossibility of a metaphor in a metaphoric laden story.
Ahem...
From wiki;
"Parabola.
A parable is a succinct, didactic story, in prose or verse, that illustrates one or more instructive lessons or principles.
A parable is a type of metaphorical analogy."
"Buy" is used figuratively
No brainer.
If you do not follow a few common sense applications of meaning, you will confuse " know" where mary " knew " no man (meaning virgin)....into "she had no male friends"
Or the romans " laid hands on the apostles" will be transposed into the roman soldiers were "christians that prayed for believers."
It is reckless to just make an analogy into something ot is not.
Go back and study parables. They were intended to mislead the nonbeliever. The components have hidden meanings.
You are trying to go around what they really are.
"""Where does it say filled again? Peter already had the Holy Spirit""".
According to cessationists you get it all at salvation.
So...according to your understanding nobody in acts should have ever gotten any Holy Spirit....since they already had it and were saved.
In fact none of acts lines up with cessationists.
"""Stephen did not receive the Holy Spirit again. Acts 7:55-56 is the only example of Stephen receiving the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit isn't received more than once."""
Acts 8
15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost
Huh? I thought that people got all the Holy Spirit they were ever going to get when they got saved according to cessationist.
"""That does not align with the parable of the ten virgins. A healing is not the same of being filled with the Holy Spirit. The power of healing comes from the Holy Spirit, but the verses you quoted don't say anything about the lame man receiving the Holy Spirit."""
Look again
I am saying that something went out of them and into someone else.
Healing is not some abstract matter floating in a apostle.
"Healing" is a product of God being released through the believer.
When Jesus told the disciples, "power has gone out of me who touched me."
He was not saying" Jesus came out of me"
he was not saying "healing came out of me "
he was talking about the power that came upon him in the form of a dove, the Holy Spirit, and that same power was what he told the disciples to wait in the upper room until they got the Holy Ghost, which was the same power that Jesus used.
"""Revelation 3:17-19 is not about purchasing the Holy Spirit with oil. It's not even about literally purchasing anything, but if it were then those things wouldn't be sins to purchase since there is a precedent created from authority."""
Bingo.
It is used figuratively as "OBTAIN" OR "GET"
AHEM....show me where in rev or in mat 25 where anyone bought anything.
You are pivoting your position on " buy" which is used figuratively in both instances.
"""Jesus wouldn't use a symbolic parable instructing people to buy oil that is the Holy Spirit if literally trying to buy the Holy Spirit is a sin, which it is."""
You just made my point. He didnt
1) and yet he himself did so in a non figurative, non parable declaration. (In rev)
2) bizarre, that you would assure us of the impossibility of a metaphor in a metaphoric laden story.
Ahem...
From wiki;
"Parabola.
A parable is a succinct, didactic story, in prose or verse, that illustrates one or more instructive lessons or principles.
A parable is a type of metaphorical analogy."
"Buy" is used figuratively
No brainer.
If you do not follow a few common sense applications of meaning, you will confuse " know" where mary " knew " no man (meaning virgin)....into "she had no male friends"
Or the romans " laid hands on the apostles" will be transposed into the roman soldiers were "christians that prayed for believers."
It is reckless to just make an analogy into something ot is not.
Go back and study parables. They were intended to mislead the nonbeliever. The components have hidden meanings.
You are trying to go around what they really are.
"""Where does it say filled again? Peter already had the Holy Spirit""".
According to cessationists you get it all at salvation.
So...according to your understanding nobody in acts should have ever gotten any Holy Spirit....since they already had it and were saved.
In fact none of acts lines up with cessationists.
"""Stephen did not receive the Holy Spirit again. Acts 7:55-56 is the only example of Stephen receiving the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit isn't received more than once."""
Acts 8
15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost
Huh? I thought that people got all the Holy Spirit they were ever going to get when they got saved according to cessationist.
"""That does not align with the parable of the ten virgins. A healing is not the same of being filled with the Holy Spirit. The power of healing comes from the Holy Spirit, but the verses you quoted don't say anything about the lame man receiving the Holy Spirit."""
Look again
I am saying that something went out of them and into someone else.
Healing is not some abstract matter floating in a apostle.
"Healing" is a product of God being released through the believer.
When Jesus told the disciples, "power has gone out of me who touched me."
He was not saying" Jesus came out of me"
he was not saying "healing came out of me "
he was talking about the power that came upon him in the form of a dove, the Holy Spirit, and that same power was what he told the disciples to wait in the upper room until they got the Holy Ghost, which was the same power that Jesus used.
A better question would be," when are you going to prove it does not."
The Holy spirit is transferred via laying on of hands.
The foolish asked for THEIR oil impartation.
The foolish oil ran out.
The anointing oil of the ot is clearly connected to the Holy Spirit.
When saul was anointed with oil he began to prophesy.
That is clearly the Holy Spirit.
You would need to prove that there is never any connection of oil and the Holy Spirit.
The Holy spirit is transferred via laying on of hands.
The foolish asked for THEIR oil impartation.
The foolish oil ran out.
The anointing oil of the ot is clearly connected to the Holy Spirit.
When saul was anointed with oil he began to prophesy.
That is clearly the Holy Spirit.
You would need to prove that there is never any connection of oil and the Holy Spirit.
10 = Completion, that is why the 10 Horns are not 10 but all European tat align at the very end times (NOW) That is why the Church of Smyrna was told they would ha e tribulation 10 days (entire Church Age). And why anytime God ties any number by 10 it simply refers to the complete number thereof. He saved Himself 7000 (Israelites) means 7 which means completion, x 10 x 10 x 10 is COMPLETENESS or All Isel who repent. Likewise, the 144,000 are 12 which equals Fullness x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10, or again ALL Israel who repent.
At the time the early bible was written the Hebrew language had 4000 words with zero vowels thus God used numbers as stand-ins. The 10 Commandments actually is a stand-in for all God's Law.
At the time the early bible was written the Hebrew language had 4000 words with zero vowels thus God used numbers as stand-ins. The 10 Commandments actually is a stand-in for all God's Law.
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