Is everything scripture tells us from an eternal God, so all scripture is always true?

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Blik

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You have heard: God did not "improve" the old covenant; He REPLACED it. You have heard it repeatedly, and still you reject it.
Our difference in understanding what God is saying about the old and new covenant has to do with whether God is saying that he made a mistake when he gave the old covenant. It is not about God replacing the old covenant, that is changing the subject.
 

Dino246

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Our difference in understanding what God is saying about the old and new covenant has to do with whether God is saying that he made a mistake when he gave the old covenant. It is not about God replacing the old covenant, that is changing the subject.
Wow. What colour is the sky in your world?
 

Blik

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no such thing

this is the main thing we learn from that passage:

the reality is Christ. the law is a shadow of what was to come

further, this is not the words of Jesus, but instructions in the letter to the Colossians

stop making things up to suit your own beliefs

the law does not guide into heaven

do you believe Christ died for your sins? if so, Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. NO ONE enters heaven except through Him

if you say otherwise, you are in error
You say the law does not guide us, scripture says it does. I will go by scripture, not you.

Psalm 119:1 . Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.

There are many other scripture verses that say the same thing.
 
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SophieT

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SophieT

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Our difference in understanding what God is saying about the old and new covenant has to do with whether God is saying that he made a mistake when he gave the old covenant. It is not about God replacing the old covenant, that is changing the subject.
it's just you making a mistake

over and over and over and over

the old covenant is old

now we have the new covenant

the old covenant was never able to save which is why Jesus had to die

now, He is able to save to the uttermost all those who believe in Him

you are committing grave error by ignoring all scripture that is presented to illustrate to you that we are not bound by the law

again, you are making the mistake here. not anyone else
 

Gardenias

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Excuse me but how many years has Blik had a thing about the law ?
 

Blik

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the reality is Christ. the law is a shadow of what was to come

direct yourself to the New Testament and learn from the gospels

the law condemns you and does not save you
The law was given to us by our loving Father, I don't think it is right to only see or understand the law as you are teaching about it. I agree, we can use the law to point us to what causes our death. But we can also use the law to point us to living in the kingdom of the Lord. We will know the reality of this kingdom when we pass from this earthly life, Christ is the reality. But we can also use the law to help us see what this reality is like. We can follow the 119th psalm, we can follow the teachings of Christ to see some of this reality. But to only use the law as a curse, turning a blind eye to anything else, does not lead us to Christ.
 

Blik

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Excuse me but how many years has Blik had a thing about the law ?
Blik does not have a "thing" about the law, Blik has a thing about listening to scripture and to God's word. Blik has a "thing" about that Christ is our Savior, how about seeing that about Blik? Instead Blik is used by demons to fight listening to the Lord about the law. God gave the law, Blik didn't.
 

Blik

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you are committing grave error by ignoring all scripture that is presented to illustrate to you that we are not bound by the law

again, you are making the mistake here. not anyone else
Scripture tells us to obey the law, it is not a human person saying it. Humans are saying to disregard the law, to live lawlessly. That is not scripture. You do not say scripture is in error, why not? You say it is an error to listen to God as God tells us to obey.

1 John 5:3 "Loving God means keeping his commandments, and his commandments are not burdensome."
 

Gardenias

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#50
OK,OK,
I do apologize for post #38 ,I'm sorry.
I'm putting this on ignore!
 

Pilgrimshope

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Then you have absolutely no understanding of the Mosiac law,Blik.

Do you think the law GIVEN TO JEWS UNDER MOSES IS FOR YOU?

Even if your ethnicity is Hebrew if you are born again of blood and water as Jesus said,then the laws at Sinai do not COVER your sins.

The law of Zion,the law of liberty bought with the blood of Jesus,God's son, is the law of born again.

The law of the OT brought death but Jesus came to give life and give it more abundantly.

I question......do you know any other things about the word of God or is LAW it for you. If so death will be brought to you without grace.

As Gentiles without grace we will never see the face of God!
As Jews without Jesus they will be in the hands of a just God who has a plan for them!

Maybe you should choose this day WHOM you will serve!
“And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the old testament;

which veil is done away in Christ.

But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the veil is upon their heart.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:13
 
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SophieT

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The law was given to us by our loving Father, I don't think it is right to only see or understand the law as you are teaching about it. I agree, we can use the law to point us to what causes our death. But we can also use the law to point us to living in the kingdom of the Lord. We will know the reality of this kingdom when we pass from this earthly life, Christ is the reality. But we can also use the law to help us see what this reality is like. We can follow the 119th psalm, we can follow the teachings of Christ to see some of this reality. But to only use the law as a curse, turning a blind eye to anything else, does not lead us to Christ.

the law was not given to you

salvation through the blood of Christ was given to you

the law is not a curse. the law curses those who cannot keep. that, would be you and every other single human being

apparently you do not know the reality of having your sins forgiven through Christ and think you have to obey the law

that is confusion and deception
 

Blik

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the law was not given to you

salvation through the blood of Christ was given to you

the law is not a curse. the law curses those who cannot keep. that, would be you and every other single human being

apparently you do not know the reality of having your sins forgiven through Christ and think you have to obey the law

that is confusion and deception
You may tear out any scripture about the law if that is your choice, but for me--I read and believe all scripture.

Scripture tells me that if I repent and listen to Christ my sins ARE forgiven, and it is Christ who tells me that. You have no authority.

Scripture tells me to love God is to obey Him. I love the Lord and although I am too human to obey perfectly, I live in repentance of sin. That is scripture you say must be ignored or not listened to.
 

ewq1938

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You may tear out any scripture about the law if that is your choice, but for me--I read and believe all scripture.

Do you agree non-virgin unwed females should be stoned to death?

Deu 22:20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:
Deu 22:21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.
 

Blik

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Do you agree non-virgin unwed females should be stoned to death?

Deu 22:20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:
Deu 22:21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.
You are reading scripture from a God, not a man, and this God speaks of spiritual things using early illustrations. This scripture says "my Father's house" and it speaks of Israel, not an individual.

Are you saying that because you don't believe in stoning that you question all of scripture?

As I made a study of scripture telling of stoning in the OT, I found that there were many laws that protected people from excess stoning. It was done in the same way we give the death sentence to criminals today. I also found that it is a message to us about what God feels is important for us. It is a basic rule of the Lord that we are to respect life and never take it based on what we think, it must be decided by appointed rulers.

I do not understand about stoning, but I do understand we are created by a God who loves us and wants us to live, not only on earth but etermally. I don't believe my not understanding how this God can ask for stoning, but I do not give up my faith because I don't understand.
 

ewq1938

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You are reading scripture from a God, not a man, and this God speaks of spiritual things using early illustrations. This scripture says "my Father's house" and it speaks of Israel, not an individual.

Are you saying that because you don't believe in stoning that you question all of scripture?

As I made a study of scripture telling of stoning in the OT, I found that there were many laws that protected people from excess stoning. It was done in the same way we give the death sentence to criminals today. I also found that it is a message to us about what God feels is important for us. It is a basic rule of the Lord that we are to respect life and never take it based on what we think, it must be decided by appointed rulers.

I do not understand about stoning, but I do understand we are created by a God who loves us and wants us to live, not only on earth but etermally. I don't believe my not understanding how this God can ask for stoning, but I do not give up my faith because I don't understand.
You didn't clearly answer the question. A yes or no or "I don't know" are the only valid answers:

Do you agree non-virgin unwed females should be stoned to death?

That is the law and you teach to obey the law so what is your answer?
 

Blik

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You didn't clearly answer the question. A yes or no or "I don't know" are the only valid answers:

Do you agree non-virgin unwed females should be stoned to death?

That is the law and you teach to obey the law so what is your answer?
If you know how to answer, then do it. Don't tell others the answer.
 

ewq1938

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If you know how to answer, then do it. Don't tell others the answer.
So you are just going to outright refuse to answer that question? Typical and predictable.

You pick and choose the laws you agree and disagree with and accuse others of doing that. That's hypocrisy.
 

Dino246

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You are reading scripture from a God, not a man, and this God speaks of spiritual things using early illustrations. This scripture says "my Father's house" and it speaks of Israel, not an individual.

Are you saying that because you don't believe in stoning that you question all of scripture?

As I made a study of scripture telling of stoning in the OT, I found that there were many laws that protected people from excess stoning. It was done in the same way we give the death sentence to criminals today. I also found that it is a message to us about what God feels is important for us. It is a basic rule of the Lord that we are to respect life and never take it based on what we think, it must be decided by appointed rulers.

I do not understand about stoning, but I do understand we are created by a God who loves us and wants us to live, not only on earth but etermally. I don't believe my not understanding how this God can ask for stoning, but I do not give up my faith because I don't understand.
These things were not mere illustrations. People were actually stoned to death under the Law. Read Numbers 15:32-37. If you choose to obey the Law, you must stone those who break the Sabbath. Failure to exercise the punishment due the guilty is also breaking the Law.
 
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SophieT

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You may tear out any scripture about the law if that is your choice, but for me--I read and believe all scripture.

Scripture tells me that if I repent and listen to Christ my sins ARE forgiven, and it is Christ who tells me that. You have no authority.

Scripture tells me to love God is to obey Him. I love the Lord and although I am too human to obey perfectly, I live in repentance of sin. That is scripture you say must be ignored or not listened to.
it is such a shame that you still do not seem able to grasp the fact that believers in Christ are not law keepers

you can stop with the virtue signalling. you may read all scripture, but you certainly do not grasp the meaning of much of it

For sin will not rule over you, for you are not under law, but under grace. Romans 6:14

are you under law or under grace? if you are under law, then sin still condemns you as you cannot keep the law

no one is tearing out scripture. however, you have the old and new testaments confused and think everyone else is doing that