What are you thoughts on Annihilation?

The wrath of God can't ABIDE on those who "cease to exist". You've been duped!

...likewise in the following verse:

Isaiah 26:14 -

They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed H8045 them, and made all their memory to perish." [this means, "the memory of them" among those who do still exist on the earth, not their OWN "memories"]


... not referring to the "GWTj" point (which they will face also, yet future)

Really. I hear a lot of true Christians agonizing over their lives. Agonizing over the attacks and suffering that come on a daily basis with little to no intercession from God. I can't tell you how many times I've heard someone say they can't get a job that lets them feed their family. Of course the 'Christian' response is to quote the scripture about how God feeds the birds, but what does that really mean? Are these Christians supposed to go pluck insects out of the garden to feed their kids? Trust in God to feed us while we starve ... just how far do you think a person will go with that?
Take for example the faithful believer who can't get a job
Yet I've heard several question that very thing in the last couple years

...And you are looking for rebuttals of what scriptures say?

These are great! I can post a bunch of passages about "bread" if you'd like. But what exactly are you trying to prove with these passages? That spirit exists? Or are you trying to prove that man...man from the 1st Adam, who's NOT born again...is inherently spirit? Because John 3:6...

Adam and Eve died but still alive. Lazarus and the rich man died but were still alive.

Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Amen Jesus!

It's really basic comprehension at this point. It's your own quoted verse that you're refusing to believe now. The wrath of God ABIDES - present tense - on those who do not believe in the Messiah because they're not "born again" of "the Spirit". It even used the word translated as "already" with the word "condemned". Already means "forgone conclusion".

It's the state of mortality; the eventuality of perishing one day. That's the wrath of God. That's the condemnation.

Then The Almighty Lied? Yah Forbid!

Where is Adam right now?

Ah! and now we come to Dante's favorite verse, in which he gave us graphic descriptions (complete with illustrations) of an everlasting Burning Inferno known as Dante's Inferno, where poor souls who did not repent weep and wail and writhe in agony and torment forever and ever while the saints, sitting on fluffy clouds with their harps, look down on them and sing the refrain "Burn, suckers, burn; we told you so! Now ain’t that a glorious concept of heaven? I think not! and it ain’t so. Firstly, the Bible repeatedly states that the wicked's fate is to PERISH, to die the second death, to cease to exist.

And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

- Matthew 10:28 (NKJV)

0h, and yeah; we just read that Satan will be tortured in hell for all eternity. We’ll, not really; because we read an expression (idiom) from another language that was utterly lost in translation into English. The Greek word basanos, from which we obtain the word "basis," is the origin of the word "torment" in verse 10. (through the notion of going to the bottom). However, the entire term merely implies that Satan will be consumed, debased, and extinguished day and night (for all eternity), forever and ever (to be no more).

Amen Jesus, he doesn't have a clue!

Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

I haven't kept up to date with this thread, but what does the witch of Endor have to do with the concept of annihilation vs eternal torment in the Lake of Fire?

What does the rich man in Hades have to do with the Lake of Fire?

If Satan, the beast and false prophet are tormented for eternity, why would that necessarily have bearing on the fate of others that enter the Lake of Fire?

Since the term used for "eternity" also translates to "perpetuity", how can we be sure that when heaven and earth fade away in Revelation that the Lake of Fire doesn't also fade away as well?

The conversation of annihilation vs unending torment usually comes to more or less a draw as scripture can be consistent with either model.

For the sake of prodding a question your way, there is a purification that happens to those that are saved. We see many passages dealing with impurity being separated or burned away. Do these unsaved parts of us become annihilated? Or do they become eternally separated from God (eternally tormented)?

I didn't forget...

...I covered the phrase found in Hebrews 12:29 way back in Post #388 (page 20), and its relation to both Deut4:24 and Deut 9:3 where the word "[Strong's] H398" is used... but not in the sense that you are suggesting.

See that post and the link I placed there re: H398 :

Post #388 - https://christianchat.com/threads/what-are-you-thoughts-on-annihilation.201874/post-4679226

Have you never read Genesis? Oh my.

Genesis 2:16-17 (NKJV)
16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat;
17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die."

Adam died the day he sinned exactly as God said he would. He died but was still alive. Try reading Genesis.

I wonder how the audience is doing at this point? My guess is that they can see the picture very clearly by now.

See the LISTING of the phrase used in Rev20:10 (used 21x and NEVER meaning a "LIMITED" time-frame) in Post #230 -

https://christianchat.com/threads/what-are-you-thoughts-on-annihilation.201874/post-4677486

the phrase being: "UNTO THE AGES [PLURAL] OF THE AGES [PLURAL]"


(which is also stated after the setting is told of in verse 11)

Where is he NOW? Do you believe he is still alive somewhere or does he no longer exist?

Guesswork versus scholarship......?

But we are not talking about bread. Anyways, your guess is not as good as mine......

Why are you being totally EVASIVE? God said Adam would die the day Adam sinned. Adam sinned. Adam died. Adam was still alive! Have you read Genesis?

lol, neither are we talking about "spirit existing". Is the 1st man spirit (from heaven) or flesh (from the dust of the earth)?

( evades my question but then accuses me of evasion...)

You believe in the eternal torment of the immortal soul, right? So according to Genesis Adam died. So I'm asking you, where is Adam now?