Vaccination?

The majority of those in the hospital are unvaccinated???

According to who? The same people who have been lying about where the virus came from and who was behind it?


Your idea of their being un-vaccinated people that are CAUSING covid to mutate and be out of control is PREPOSTEROUS. Natural immunity, people who DON'T get vaccinated, is BETTER than getting the shot. People who already have had covid are less likely to get it again than those who have gotten a vaccine.

It is MUCH MORE LIKELY that all these jabs people are getting are CAUSING any mutations that are happening.


If people are so afraid of the flu that they want to stay home then by all means stay home. But staying home isn't going to stop the flu. They already tried that a few times. It obviously wasn't going to work and it obviously didn't.


Isn't what you originally promoted was that getting the shot was loving your neighbor because you would somehow not have disease or spread it? But now you are saying if you DON'T get the shot purely to avoid disease then that is not loving your neighbor.

So the absolute ONLY way in your mind to love your neighbor, no matter how dangerous or whether it works or not, is to get this magic shot....


I'm kind of surprised you haven't brought up the right wing "misinformation" argument yet. Everybody else seems to think that is a good one...

We have a winner!

We have another winner!

Common sense and critical thinking are endangered attributes.

Didn't know quite how endangered until about April of 2020.

Cherish and keep close to your heart the true gems of truth and discernment that God has given you.

"Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown."

Not to mention the CDC is thinking of changing the definition of what "fully vaccinated" means. So it could be that if a person goes to the hospital with Covid and they're lacking their 42nd booster shot, they'll be recorded as "unvaccinated". The numbers can't be trusted.

https://www.axios.com/cdc-fully-cov...ate-5c2312d9-64f4-4bb7-a289-04c00889a573.html

Well, we in germany have not this political thing about right and left in this way that this is important for the report about Covid.
In germany around 90 % of the Covid patients on the ICU are unvaccined. Thats a fact!
If course you can ignore the virus.
But it is also a fact that vaccine not only protect, but also avoid an heavy infect with Covid in compare with unvaccined people.
But if you want, you can find Tons of material which are in the socialmedias which will claim, that Covid is not more then a flu.
That the vaccine is not perfect, and that people can become covid even they are vaccinated is not to deny.
Its only the 2% who will get serious problems with this deseases.
But this 2% are 140000000 people minimum worldwide.

The Definition according Walensky shows she dont recording already vaccined as unvaccined. It can be in Future, if the booster has to be needed for everybody.
But so long, its clear defined.

in germany, a country of over 72 million people, their are currently about 169,000 active cases of covid being reported.

so, a 98% chance of not coming into contact with a covid positive person.

i would take those odds over a unproven vax anytime.
in america, i did.

I suspect your a good speller. personally I think the internet is a form of witchcraft, could be wrong??? We all know deep down that life is more magic then [logic = secular science].By the way,,, to me witchcraft is bad guy magic.I now know that we don't need those things,,nor would we give must thought to them because there indeed is something better.I'm not just talking from what the good books says.The saints can be unclean for family sake,,,it is um?? written some where!!,,,?

It all depends on the meaning of "active cases". If a "case" was established simply because a PCR test was positive, that is not even a case. And 99% of those were false positives. So the actual case count may only be 1,690. But Germany also uses the rapid antigen test. So perhaps we should double that number to 3,380. What is that as a percentage of 72 million? That is 0.005%. You could even quadruple that number and still come up with a very minimal case count.

Up to 90% of PCR Tests for COVID-19 May Be False Positives
https://www.brownstoneresearch.com/...cr-tests-for-covid-19-may-be-false-positives/

Aidan1 One has to be shown.Science does not have to be based in logic to work sometimes faith is enough,,,even if that faith is not in god.Jesus spirit said of himself that he was the only teacher and if that's true then one can only be cunning or wise because of god.The great flaw in knowing stuff is that it often impeds our relationship with god. Because It tends to feed the [love of self = pride above all eles]

when i talk about covid with covid lovers, i use the numbers that the media and the governments use.

by giving them the numbers and doing the math on those numbers, i show how the covid response is so over the top.

or i attempt to. most of them flee when presented the actual math behind even the overcounted numbers,,,,

So even if we use the 90% false positive result, we have only 16,900 actual cases. Which brings the percentage to 0.05%. That is nothing to be concerned about.

Aidan1
i wanted to give you a hint just in case you don't know.Why do you think the heart machine is called a defibrillator? on the premise that the prime word is fib,,,,, of on a tangent = broken record.

Seems that in England, if u question , u are shit down. Idk how much freedom u get in the US

Again, I am telling you I am high risk. I am on all kinds of immune suppressing drugs. My lungs have scarring, and Rheumatoid nodules are through them, which is Rheumatoid Lung Disease. They are gradually increasing in size, and may one day kill me, like my friend who died from RLD in Feb. I also take the pneumoccus vaccine every 5 years, and it helps me, as well as my husband who has no spleen, and has almost died several times, like when he could not get a booster in Alberta. ICU for 11 days. My daughter and I were told he would not make it through the night, but God was with him! And the prayers of God's people.

Healthy people just don't get what sick people go through. I am going to protect myself in any way I can. God told me to follow the precautions recommended, and I have. The result is that the pleural infusions in the bottom of my lungs have dried out. That's fluid in the bottom of my lungs from frequent pneumonias. Wearing a mask and NOT catching even a cold since COVID started. Again, a very thick carbon mask, called a Respro mask. Here is what it looks like:



Not a fake mask, at all!

Just because you have some personal anedotes, doesn't make what you say either science or apply to everyone else. Over the years, every single time I have had a small cold, it has turned into pneumonia. Not having pneumonia for almost 2 years, because I wore a good mask each time I went out, kept me from getting COVID, but also a common cold. My lungs have improved. Your lungs probably don't have to improve, because you have never had pneumonia 40 times over the last 30 years. More than once a year.

As for the vax, even if it only helps my anxiety about dying from COVID it is worth taking. But, I do believe it helps. Or it will help, should I be exposed to COVID. I am getting my third shot this week. I have to go off a lot of meds which can interfere with the vax working properly. I will be in a lot of pain, from my RA flaring. But, it is worth it. I had no reaction at all to the first two vaxes. that actually worries me, because it may be that my harsh meds destroyed it before it did anything.

I wish you would read the science, instead of using a personal experience as the basis of your theories on this vaccine. Don't get it if you don't want. But stop telling those of us who are genuinely ill not to take it.

Second reply to the same message. Because I have a link about a pregnant woman who got COVID in northern BC, where the people don't believe in vaxes. This poor husband believes in it now. I have read countless articles of this situation, and it is much more common than a pregnant women dying of the vax.

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/unvaccinated-...-b-c-clings-to-life-in-covid-19-icu-1.5635306

I also missed coming on your comment about Xing every post. I only X the posts I disagree strongly with. And that is most of the anti-vax nonsense on this thread. If it is just something I disagree with, I usually put a dislike, or just walk away from it. Esp. people that really make no sense, which is not you. I believe people need to know the truth.

John Piper said an interesting thing. He told people it was ok to get vaccinated if they wanted. He said don't be afraid because of what it will do to your reputation in the Christian conservative community. I think that kind of peer pressure is happening here, on CC. Some people have been brainwashed, by frequenting right wing extremist anti-vax sites. I don't intend to convince them. God will deal with them either now, or on judgment day. (Not saying they are not saved!)

But there are a lot of people who get their approval from their church or Christian internet community. I am standing for the truth, and so are a few others. I will not be intimated, shouted down, or told I am wrong, with opinions, and not a single fact. It is those people I hope to wake up. The people that don't think the gov't is after them. Being afraid of your gov't in a free and democratic society, regardless of how bad your leaders are (and they are terrible in both Canada and the US!) is called paranoia. And so many crazy conspiracies. I would like to stand against them, too! I will continue to show the truth, whether it is with regards to theology, or vaxes. That is what a good pastor does. They stand for righteousness. They don't bow down to the majority. And part of standing against the lies and misinformation posted here, is pointing it out. Red Xs help with that.

"More than 125,000 pregnant women have been diagnosed with COVID-19 since the pandemic began, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). So far, more than 22,000 of these women have been hospitalized and 161 have died.

COVID-19 patients who are pregnant are twice as likely to require admission to the intensive care unit (ICU) and 70 percent more likely to die than individuals who aren’t pregnant, according to the CDC. A record number of pregnant women — 22 — died of COVID-19 in August, the CDC reported in September 2021.

Despite these risks, just 31 percent of pregnant women in the United States have been fully vaccinated, the CDC reported. And vaccination rates are even lower for pregnant women of color, at 25 percent for Hispanic mothers and 16 percent among Black mothers.

Nearly all the COVID-19 cases among pregnant women to date have been among unvaccinated individuals, the CDC said.

“In addition to the risks of severe illness and death for pregnant and recently pregnant people, there is an increased risk of pregnancy complications and poor pregnancy outcomes,” says Kara Polen, MPH, a co-lead for maternal immunization for the CDC’s COVID-19 response.
For example, COVID-19 during pregnancy increases the risk of preterm birth and admission of the newborn to an intensive care unit (ICU), Polen says. “Other adverse pregnancy outcomes, such as stillbirth, have also been reported.”
A study published in January 2021 in JAMA Internal Medicine looked at outcomes for 406,446 women who gave birth in U.S. hospitals from April 1 through November 23, 2020, including 6,380 mothers with COVID-19. In this study, the death rate for pregnant women with COVID-19 was 141 per 100,000 women, compared with 5 fatalities per 100,000 uninfected pregnant women. COVID-19 infections were also associated with higher rates of heart attacks, potentially fatal blood clots in the leg, and dangerously high blood pressure during pregnancy known as preeclampsia.
Another study, published in July 2021 in Clinical Infectious Diseases, looked at outcomes from 489,471 deliveries between March and September 2020, including 6,550 cases with a COVID-19 diagnosis. Women with COVID-19 were 34 times more likely to suffer acute respiratory distress, 13 times more likely to require mechanical ventilation, and 17 times more likely to die. COVID-19 infections were also associated with more than twice the risk of cardiac events like heart attacks or strokes, and a 20 percent increased risk of preterm deliveries.

And a study published in January 2021 in JAMA Pediatrics examined data on 706 pregnant women with COVID-19 infections and 1,424 uninfected women. COVID-19 infections were associated with a 76 percent higher risk of preeclampsia, a fivefold higher risk of ICU admissions, and 22 times the risk of maternal mortality. Babies were also more than twice as likely to have severe complications or die when mothers had COVID-19.

“Getting a COVID-19 vaccine can prevent severe illness, death, and pregnancy complications related to COVID-19,” Polen says.
“In the absence of evidence, it is natural that women who are pregnant would be reluctant to be vaccinated,” Dr. Jessup says. “Add this to the general milieu of distrust for the medical system for women of color, and it is understandable for women to be reluctant to be vaccinated.”

It’s true that earlier in the pandemic there was limited information about the safety or effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccination during pregnancy, Polen says. That’s because pregnant people weren’t included in the clinical trials for the vaccines.

Since then, however, hundreds of thousands of pregnant people have been vaccinated. These real-world cases clearly show the benefits of vaccination and the risks of COVID-19 infections among unvaccinated women, Polen says.

The new CDC report highlights stark evidence of the harms associated with infections, and notes that no evidence to date suggests that vaccination poses a risk to pregnant women or their babies.

“The accumulating evidence has shown that COVID-19 vaccines are safe in those who are pregnant,” Polen says. “Given the increased risks of severe illness from COVID-19 during pregnancy, CDC strongly recommends that people who are trying to become pregnant receive one of the authorized or approved COVID-19 vaccines as soon as possible.”

https://www.everydayhealth.com/coro...to-get-covid-19-vaccine-as-deaths-hit-record/

Anyway, enjoy the articles.

I appreciate your compassion and prayers. But again, you have totally missed my entire point throughout this thread, the reason I am arguing, and posting links and so forth.

You say you have a FIRST HAND experience with a pregnant women dying from the COVID vax. I believe you! I know that there must be a few women who died from the vax, although uncovering it on the internet is hard! The Scientific method works. Every drug I take went through a rigorous process of large scale double blind studies all over the world. The vaccine is just catching up with those large scale studies. Anecdotal reports - what happened to one person, is NOT science. It may seem more real to you than a proper study, and written up in a peer reviewed study, but it is not. I also did studied in biology in university, and we had to analyze our results statistically. I did a lot of research and found that there was no basis for my study being correct. Some people in my class just wrote that it worked, with no justification. They failed that assignment. Because it was about giving growth hormones to grass, and comparing it to a grass patch that did not get the additive. Of course, we didn't find out till our papers were all marked, that the "additive" was sugar. Which as a gardener is not a good thing to give to plants. It was very eye opening for me! I've also read a lot of journals, and the counter journals arguing against the first paper. Because science is about change, and using the scientific method to do that. There is nothing that says the vaccine is dangerous to pregnant women, in fact the opposite!

Our experiences, powerful as they are, are not science. It is precisely why I keep arguing. I'm also a teacher, actually first, and for longer. I'm trying to communicate that first hand, anecdotal reports mean NOTHING in science! Including my stories. In fact, we don't have a clue if she was the only one who died, or if there is one more, 10 more, or 10,000, without facts. The only thing I have found so far, about pregnant women dying from the vaccine is this below. So, I will leave it with you, although I wish I could find the stats on pregnant women dying from the vax. And yes, it does make me want to dig much deeper!

"More than 120,000 pregnant women in the U.S. have been diagnosed with Covid.
The risk of miscarriage after Covid vaccination aligns with the normal risk of miscarriage after adjusting for the mom’s age.
But unvaccinated pregnant women are more than twice as likely than non-pregnant women to need intensive care and a ventilator when they contract Covid, Walensky added."

More than 120,000 pregnant women in the U.S. have been diagnosed with Covid, and Walensky added that more than 5,000 pregnant women have participated in the agency’s vaccine safety monitoring programs. Roughly half of those studied received the Pfizer vaccine, about 44% got Moderna’s and approximately 5% were immunized by Johnson & Johnson.

Walensky said that studying the participants enabled the CDC to determine that Covid vaccines have no impact on increasing the potential for miscarriage. CDC officials expanded on those findings at a Sept. 22 meeting of the agency’s vaccine advisory committee, reporting a 12.8% risk of miscarriage by the 20thweek of gestation among 2,456 pregnant individuals inoculated with Pfizer or Moderna.

The risk of miscarriage measured in the study aligns with the normal risk of miscarriage after adjusting for the mom’s age, officials said. But unvaccinated pregnant women are more than twice as likely than non-pregnant women to need intensive care and a ventilator when they contract Covid, Walensky added.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/30/cdc...hs-among-pregnant-women-peaked-in-august.html