How can we uphold the law through faith? Romans 3:31

If we follow Christ and if we did not know of what Paul wrote, we would simply read about the spirit of the law, we would know to follow the law as Christ gave it to us. Paul agrees with Christ, but so much of his teachings has to do with being careful of the law. We have to dig and search in Paul's letters to find that Paul believes we should follow Christ's law.

As we read Paul, we forget that the law of Moses was God breathed. It was man who changed it into a belief that cutting skin and regulating diet achieved righteousness. Those commands were given as a guide to the spirit of the law, never as an end in themselves.

It IS the new covenant, to see the spiritual in the earthly commands. We are under the new covenant, we have been given the holy spirit to help open our eyes. It is fine to see that the earthly commands were only schoolmasters to lead to the truth, but it is not good to refuse see that God gave those schoolmasters to the Hebrews for good.

God is good, God is Holy and all God has said and done in Holy.

See Matthew 5:17-20.

yes it’s apparent you aren’t reading what I’m writing which makes a discussion hard

this is the law of light and it’s testimony

“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.

My righteousness is near; my salvation is gone forth, and mine arms shall judge the people; the isles shall wait upon me, and on mine arm shall they trust.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭51:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Moses law is not Christs law Christ is the light not moses

“Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.

For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:39-40, 45-47‬ ‭KJV‬‬

In other words had they believed Moses they wouldn’t have had an issue with understanding the law of Moses was temporary until Christ came to speak Gods word

“I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭18:18-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

had they believed what Moses said of the messiah they would have understood what Peter was saying

“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:22-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

had they understood this

“For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬


they would have understood this

“It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:45‬ ‭KJV‬‬

but instead the y found themselves here

“And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which veil is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the veil is upon their heart.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:13-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s sad when people can’t understand that the law of Moses isn’t the gospel of the kingdom but everyone has thier own right to think what they do.

It’s why Christians get confused and don’t know how to treat other Christians Moses taught his people one thing Christ taught Gods children another.

The new covenant isn’t what was given to Moses. That’s the result of mans sin the new covenant is the result of Gods forgiveness.

I think honestly people who argue for the law have never read or studied the law there is no confusing the law of
Moses with the gospel it’s contrary in every way

Moses law is not Christs law Christ is the light not moses

But what seems simple and yet hidden from some folks is this spirit

“And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭21:23-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

is not this spirit

“Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

yeah sure if you remove the revelation of the apostles you would be left to try to interpret “ the spirit of the law “

But what seems simple and yet hidden from some folks is this spirit

“And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭21:23-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

is not this spirit

“Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This spirit

“And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.”
‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭20:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

is not this spirit

“They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:4-5, 7, 10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this spirit

“And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.

And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.

And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses.”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭15:32, 35-36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

is not the same spirit in the gospel the law is ordained of this spirit

“Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭23:20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the law of Moses is. Ot the same as the gospel it offers no salvstion , no receiving of the Holy Spirit , no remission of sins , it teaches sinners to accuse and stone and cast out other sinners , it teaches sinners about sin and death and can never offer salvstion it was Israel’s law for Israel’s land which they defiled thier covenant and chose to curse

I suppose if Christians want a law meant for sinners and offers no salvation and requires them to do every jot and tittle and they want to judge one another and point out each other’s sins and condemn and accuse and all those types of things the law of Moses is the way to go but if men want salvstion or to know the true God they would Have to accept the gospel Jesus came to preach to the world then they would obviously see that what Moses said isn’t the same as what Jesus said.

If you can't make a post shot and sweet; if you have to elaborate profusely in order to make your point; then I don't think that your point is going to be a valid one.

Anything that is worth its salt can be spoken in a few words. But I will read through your long post and see what I have to say about it.

yeah sure if you remove the revelation of the apostles you would be left to try to interpret “ the spirit of the law “

But what seems simple and yet hidden from some folks is this spirit

“And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭21:23-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

is not this spirit

“Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This spirit

“And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.”
‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭20:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

is not this spirit

“They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:4-5, 7, 10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this spirit

“And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.

And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.

And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses.”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭15:32, 35-36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

is not the same spirit in the gospel the law is ordained of this spirit

“Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭23:20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the law of Moses is. Ot the same as the gospel it offers no salvstion , no receiving of the Holy Spirit , no remission of sins , it teaches sinners to accuse and stone and cast out other sinners , it teaches sinners about sin and death and can never offer salvstion it was Israel’s law for Israel’s land which they defiled thier covenant and chose to curse

I suppose if Christians want a law meant for sinners and offers no salvation and requires them to do every jot and tittle and they want to judge one another and point out each other’s sins and condemn and accuse and all those types of things the law of Moses is the way to go but if men want salvstion or to know the true God they would Have to accept the gospel Jesus came to preach to the world then they would obviously see that what Moses said isn’t the same as what Jesus said.

Yes, perfect laws from our perfect Lord. Laws of love that would free the world of sinful acts if they all obeyed but like you said people think there isn't any laws.
1 Ti 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
1Ti 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers.......

The commandments were given because of transgression, we needed a code to understand what sin is, And by Gods Spirit it can be again written on our hearts.

law would still be imputed how? natural law if you throw a rock above your head you mean to tell me it would not have hit them in the head?,,,could they hit each other with rocks and not be hurt? maybe.could they learn yes.Eve look the fruit over before eating,,,and how did they know what die ment? or did they?

The Bible says in (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts.

As long as sin is in the world, the Lord have to have a laws. Paul says in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. You wouldn’t know what sin was if there was no law.

Romans 3:31 ‘Do we then cancel the law through faith? Absolutely not! On the contrary we uphold the law”

How can faith uphold the law?

Simply misunderstanding on your part. You are believing this is speaking of the Laws of the First Covenant, the Laws of Moses. It IS NOT. It IS speaking of the Law of the New Covenant............

THE LAW OF FAITH!

Context is important........

27Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

29Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

30Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

31Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

However, are you aware that we, as believers in Christ, have been delivered from the law in order that we might no longer be bound by the oldness of the letter but might be obedient to the (newness of the) spirit of what is written (Romans 7:6)?

God the Father looks down on us and sees the blood and righteousness of His Son.

Therefore our relationship to the law has changed; it no longer condemns us (see Romans 8:1).

No law means no sin.

It is talking about the whole law.

We are delivered from it as concerning condemnation; because we are forgiven of past, present, and future sins.

God the Father looks down on us and sees the blood and righteousness of His Son.

Therefore our relationship to the law has changed; it no longer condemns us (see Romans 8:1).