Vaccination?

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If a Christian gets vaccinated for the covid Is this a lack of faith?

  • Getting the vaccination means the Christian lacks faith.

  • Getting the vaccination demonstrates love thy neighbor.

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SophieT

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Aidan1 said:
We have presently over 54 000 000 vaccined people and over 1400 people laying on the intensiv wards in germany. From these over 1400 patients 90 % are unvaccined.
The 10% are older people, or people with heavy predeseases.
That means the 90% must not be there if they would be vaccined. And they must not be an risk for the hospital people.
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well that's what you say in spite of the fact that there are thousands of break through cases in every country

so are vaccinated people tested regularly? of course not...so how can you say the above? fact is, you do not have the facts


A Swedish study7 posted April 21, 2021, found “The estimated vaccine effectiveness in preventing infection ≥7 days after second dose was 86% but only 42% ≥14 days after a single dose.” While maximum effectiveness isn’t reached until the 14-day mark, why shouldn’t hospitalizations that occur within that two-week window count?

According to The New England Journal of Medicine report, the effectiveness of the mRNA shots against lab-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection, 14 or more days after injection, was 89%, on average. Effectiveness among those 85 and older, those with chronic medical conditions, as well as Black and Hispanic adults, ranged from 81% to 95%.

The effectiveness of the Janssen “vaccine” against lab-confirmed infection leading to hospitalization was 68%, and 73% against infection requiring emergency care. That sounds pretty good, but it doesn’t tell the whole story.

No Correlation Between Vaccination Rates and COVID Cases
In related news, Blaze Media recently reported the findings of Harvard researchers, who found “absolutely no correlation between vax rates and COVID cases globally.”12 The paper’s title tells you pretty much tells the whole story and everything you need to know: “Increases in COVID-19 Are Unrelated to Levels of Vaccination Across 68 Countries and 2,947 Counties in the United States.”13 According to the authors:

“… the narrative related to the ongoing surge of new cases in the United States (US) is argued to be driven by areas with low vaccination rates. A similar narrative also has been observed in countries …​
We used COVID-19 data provided by the Our World in Data for cross-country analysis, available as of September 3, 2021 …We included 68 countries that met the following criteria: had second dose vaccine data available; had COVID-19 case data available; had population data available; and the last update of data was within 3 days prior to or on September 3, 2021.​
For the 7 days preceding September 3, 2021 we computed the COVID-19 cases per 1 million people for each country as well as the percentage of population that is fully vaccinated … The percentage increase in COVID-19 cases was calculated based on the difference in cases from the last 7 days and the 7 days preceding them …​
At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days. In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people.​
Notably, Israel with over 60% of their population fully vaccinated had the highest COVID-19 cases per 1 million people in the last 7 days. The lack of a meaningful association between percentage population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases is further exemplified, for instance, by comparison of Iceland and Portugal.​
Both countries have over 75% of their population fully vaccinated and have more COVID-19 cases per 1 million people than countries such as Vietnam and South Africa that have around 10% of their population fully vaccinated.​
Across the U.S. counties too, the median new COVID-19 cases per 100,000 people in the last 7 days is largely similar across the categories of percent population fully vaccinated … There also appears to be no significant signaling of COVID-19 cases decreasing with higher percentages of population fully vaccinated …​
The sole reliance on vaccination as a primary strategy to mitigate COVID-19 and its adverse consequences needs to be re-examined … Other pharmacological and non-pharmacological interventions may need to be put in place alongside increasing vaccination rates.​
 
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The Lord Jesus Christ answered that question.

"They will put you out of the synagogues; yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service"

Satan has turned everything around (satanists read the Bible backwards) so that those without the Holy Spirit will be hated by the world and deemed as threats to world peace and safety.

When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. 8And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also [c]our Lord was crucified. 9Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations [d]will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves. 10And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.
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Edify said:
I am suspicious that Covid flulike symptoms + flu flulike symptoms = Covid Pandemic, esp since the media never talked about flu cases at all.
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COVID disease can be much worse. Have you heard of people unable to breathe or having blood clots with the simple flu? I haven't.
 
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Like I said it started Feb 2020 ended in March 2020 I also sent my Vax card.I read the post today. I hope this clears up questions.
It took me a while to figure out how to send this stuff
Gods Blessings
 
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No. But I have multiple times from people that got the vaccine.
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You are in the very small minority of people who haven't heard of breathing issues associated with COVID disease. Trump's oxygen level went down which is why he went to the hospital. One reason why breathing issues occur, is that blood clots occur in the lungs.
 
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TheIndianGirl said:
You are in the very small minority of people who haven't heard of breathing issues associated with COVID disease. Trump's oxygen level went down which is why he went to the hospital. One reason why breathing issues occur, is that blood clots occur in the lungs.
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Everyone has “breathing issues “ when they get a respiratory infection by definition. From a cold to the flu.

Even the mainstream media has reported about the serious blood clot issues surrounding the vaccine.

Is it possible there have been a few lung blood clot issues from the virus itself?

I guess. But nowhere near like from the vaccine.
 
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PennEd said:
Everyone has “breathing issues “ when they get a respiratory infection by definition. From a cold to the flu.

Even the mainstream media has reported about the serious blood clot issues surrounding the vaccine.

Is it possible there have been a few lung blood clot issues from the virus itself?

I guess. But nowhere near like from the vaccine.
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Where is your source that blood clot risk is higher for vaccine than virus?

Some studies show that people are more at risk for clots from the virus than the vaccine.
https://www.novanthealth.org/healthy-headlines/vaccines-and-blood-clots
 
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SophieT said:
well that's what you say in spite of the fact that there are thousands of break through cases in every country

so are vaccinated people tested regularly? of course not...so how can you say the above? fact is, you do not have the facts


A Swedish study7 posted April 21, 2021, found “The estimated vaccine effectiveness in preventing infection ≥7 days after second dose was 86% but only 42% ≥14 days after a single dose.” While maximum effectiveness isn’t reached until the 14-day mark, why shouldn’t hospitalizations that occur within that two-week window count?

According to The New England Journal of Medicine report, the effectiveness of the mRNA shots against lab-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection, 14 or more days after injection, was 89%, on average. Effectiveness among those 85 and older, those with chronic medical conditions, as well as Black and Hispanic adults, ranged from 81% to 95%.

The effectiveness of the Janssen “vaccine” against lab-confirmed infection leading to hospitalization was 68%, and 73% against infection requiring emergency care. That sounds pretty good, but it doesn’t tell the whole story.

No Correlation Between Vaccination Rates and COVID Cases
In related news, Blaze Media recently reported the findings of Harvard researchers, who found “absolutely no correlation between vax rates and COVID cases globally.”12 The paper’s title tells you pretty much tells the whole story and everything you need to know: “Increases in COVID-19 Are Unrelated to Levels of Vaccination Across 68 Countries and 2,947 Counties in the United States.”13 According to the authors:

“… the narrative related to the ongoing surge of new cases in the United States (US) is argued to be driven by areas with low vaccination rates. A similar narrative also has been observed in countries …​
We used COVID-19 data provided by the Our World in Data for cross-country analysis, available as of September 3, 2021 …We included 68 countries that met the following criteria: had second dose vaccine data available; had COVID-19 case data available; had population data available; and the last update of data was within 3 days prior to or on September 3, 2021.​
For the 7 days preceding September 3, 2021 we computed the COVID-19 cases per 1 million people for each country as well as the percentage of population that is fully vaccinated … The percentage increase in COVID-19 cases was calculated based on the difference in cases from the last 7 days and the 7 days preceding them …​
At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days. In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people.​
Notably, Israel with over 60% of their population fully vaccinated had the highest COVID-19 cases per 1 million people in the last 7 days. The lack of a meaningful association between percentage population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases is further exemplified, for instance, by comparison of Iceland and Portugal.​
Both countries have over 75% of their population fully vaccinated and have more COVID-19 cases per 1 million people than countries such as Vietnam and South Africa that have around 10% of their population fully vaccinated.​
Across the U.S. counties too, the median new COVID-19 cases per 100,000 people in the last 7 days is largely similar across the categories of percent population fully vaccinated … There also appears to be no significant signaling of COVID-19 cases decreasing with higher percentages of population fully vaccinated …​
The sole reliance on vaccination as a primary strategy to mitigate COVID-19 and its adverse consequences needs to be re-examined … Other pharmacological and non-pharmacological interventions may need to be put in place alongside increasing vaccination rates.​
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Who claimed that the vaccine is the ultimative healing? It is not, but it is also not the horrorthing what others here claimed. I only can say, how the numbers are in germany. If the vaccine would be full of poison and whatever is claimed we would find this in the media. Our media is not so much political then in the USA. Our political Partys are not so splittet then in the USA.
We have to realize that the life will never be, as it was before the virus.
And there will be a rest risk, of course. For to give prognosis for the future about the virus and its mid or longterm influence it is to early. But the vaccine seems presently the best way to become a little the life we had before back.
And the people want back the life they had before. This world will be changed and it will become much more worse then it is now.
And in case of Israel, in July and August the numbers of covidinfections went high again, so they startet the 3rd injection, now the numbers are down and the cases of heavy sick patients is very low when they had the 3rd injection 14 days or longer. The numbers of sick people which are unvaccined are many times higher.
You can tell me what you want the vaccines giving protection and if there are infections, unvaccined they would be much heavier.
Thats are proofed. You can find them if you asked not only the antivaxx supporters.
 
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PennEd said:
Everyone has “breathing issues “ when they get a respiratory infection by definition. From a cold to the flu.

Even the mainstream media has reported about the serious blood clot issues surrounding the vaccine.

Is it possible there have been a few lung blood clot issues from the virus itself?

I guess. But nowhere near like from the vaccine.
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You seems to forget, that the virus always is more worse then the vaccine. Otherwise no vaccine would be used.
As I maby said in the past. Visit hospitals which taking care about Covidpatients and ask the nurses and doctors which working everyday that the patients overlife their infection. Ask them about their meaning. But please no fakevideos from nurses and doctors which are not working with Covidpatients!
 
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Its funny, I think people forget when this virus first got out. It was called the pneumonia disease. As peopl in the Chinese fish market were dieting left and right of pneumonia based on unknown reasons.
 
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Who claimed that the vaccine is the ultimative healing? It is not, but it is also not the horrorthing what others here claimed. I only can say, how the numbers are in germany. If the vaccine would be full of poison and whatever is claimed we would find this in the media. Our media is not so much political then in the USA. Our political Partys are not so splittet then in the USA.
We have to realize that the life will never be, as it was before the virus.
And there will be a rest risk, of course. For to give prognosis for the future about the virus and its mid or longterm influence it is to early. But the vaccine seems presently the best way to become a little the life we had before back.
And the people want back the life they had before. This world will be changed and it will become much more worse then it is now.
And in case of Israel, in July and August the numbers of covidinfections went high again, so they startet the 3rd injection, now the numbers are down and the cases of heavy sick patients is very low when they had the 3rd injection 14 days or longer. The numbers of sick people which are unvaccined are many times higher.
You can tell me what you want the vaccines giving protection and if there are infections, unvaccined they would be much heavier.
Thats are proofed. You can find them if you asked not only the antivaxx supporters.
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I didn't ask you for your personal opinions and the other red herring additives you keep in your back pocket

if you have nothing to say about the FACTUAL DATA I posted, then I guess you have nothing to say
 
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The sole reliance on vaccination as a primary strategy to mitigate COVID-19 and its adverse consequences needs to be re-examined … Other pharmacological and non-pharmacological interventions may need to be put in place alongside increasing vaccination rates.


For instance, in a report released from the Ministry of Health in Israel, the effectiveness of 2 doses of the BNT162b2 (Pfizer-BioNTech) vaccine against preventing COVID-19 infection was reported to be 39%, substantially lower than the trial efficacy of 96%.

It is also emerging that immunity derived from the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine may not be as strong as immunity acquired through recovery from the COVID-19 virus. A substantial decline in immunity from mRNA vaccines 6-months post immunization has also been reported.​
Even though vaccinations offers protection to individuals against severe hospitalization and death, the CDC reported an increase from 0.01 to 9% and 0 to 15.1% (between January to May 2021) in the rates of hospitalizations and deaths, respectively, amongst the fully vaccinated.”​
 
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It is also emerging that immunity derived from the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine may not be as strong as immunity acquired through recovery from the COVID-19 virus.
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yes

well it seems everyone but the flying monkeys in the CDC, WHO and the FDA and the Fauci fakirs, know that

in fact, it seems, from many reports, that receiving the vial of not so much goodness in there, may do more harm then good if you offer your arm after having the real thing

no wonder they don't want you making choices. who would choose this with all the data out there that shows the vaccine is not a real vaccine and does not do the job? well maybe some people...there are always some who go along with anything :oops: :unsure: :whistle:
 
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It is also emerging that immunity derived from the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine may not be as strong as immunity acquired through recovery from the COVID-19 virus. A substantial decline in immunity from mRNA vaccines 6-months post immunization has also been reported.​
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It seems we are fortunate then, that from this Study done in ^ May, 2021, there was a Study that Furthered into September, 2021 and we [SEEN] a change in what we once Assumed!

COVID-19 natural immunity versus vaccination - Nebraska ...
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Sep 20, 2021 — If you've had COVID-19 before, does your natural immunity work better than a vaccine?

From the Article ^


COVID-19 natural immunity versus vaccination

Home Coronavirus (COVID-19) COVID-19 natural immunity versus vaccination

Published September 20, 2021

If you've had COVID-19 before, does your natural immunity work better than a vaccine?
The data is clear: Natural immunity is not better. The COVID-19 vaccines create more effective and longer-lasting immunity than natural immunity from infection.
  • More than a third of COVID-19 infections result in zero protective antibodies
  • Natural immunity fades faster than vaccine immunity
  • Natural immunity alone is less than half as effective than natural immunity plus vaccination
The takeaway: Get vaccinated, even if you've had COVID-19. Vaccine immunity is stronger than natural immunity.
"Natural immunity can be spotty. Some people can react vigorously and get a great antibody response. Other people don't get such a great response," says infectious diseases expert Mark Rupp, MD. "Clearly, vaccine-induced immunity is more standardized and can be longer-lasting."

A third of infections don't get any protective antibodies
Some people who get COVID-19 receive no protection from reinfection – their natural immunity is nonexistent. A recent study found that 36% of COVID-19 cases didn't result in development of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies. The people had different levels of illness – most had moderate disease, but some were asymptomatic and some experienced severe COVID-19.
"Vaccine-induced immunity is more predictable than natural immunity," says Dr. Rupp. The COVID-19 vaccines provide great protection from severe disease, hospitalization and death.

Natural immunity fades more quickly than vaccine immunity
Natural immunity can decay within about 90 days. Immunity from COVID-19 vaccines has been shown to last longer. Both Pfizer and Moderna reported strong vaccine protection for at least six months.
Studies are ongoing to evaluate the full duration of protective immunity, including the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.
Real-world studies also indicate natural immunity's short life. For example, 65% of people with a lower baseline antibody from infection to begin with completely lost their COVID-19 antibodies by 60 days.
What about that Israeli study suggesting natural immunity is stronger? Infectious diseases expert James Lawler, MD, MPH, FIDSA, carefully evaluates the study design of the retrospective Maccabi Health System study in his Aug. 31 briefing. In the briefing, he identifies two concerning sources of error that were not corrected for: survivorship bias and selection bias.

Natural immunity alone is weak
One study compared natural immunity alone to natural immunity plus vaccination. They found that, after infection, unvaccinated people are 2.34 times likelier to get COVID-19 again, compared to fully vaccinated people. So vaccinated people (after infection) have half the risk of reinfection than people relying on natural immunity alone.
"Studies show that the vaccine gives a very good booster response if you've had COVID-19 before," says Dr. Rupp.
Furthermore, there is no country on the globe in which natural infection and natural immunity has brought the pandemic under control. In countries like Iran or Brazil very high levels of natural infection have not prevented recurrent waves of infection.
 
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AandW said:
But, if YOU call YOURSELF a Christian and get caught 20 times spreading Lies from False Propaganda, that you used to hammer others about God with, WHAT DOES THAT MAKE YOU?

Satan?
Satan's Helper?
Enemy to your Brother's and Sister's in Christ?
JUDAS?
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If Christians are listening to the News Media, Big Pharma and Big Gov, and then repeating their lying words = there are your satan's helpers.

Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”
 
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