Very concerned about Hebrews 10:26 (New Member)

The question of whether the WARNINGS could be applicable to everyone everywhere is a matter worthy of debate.

But I think the text itself is crystal-clear. The warnings in chapters 6 and 10 is a call to Hebrews not to fall back into the Mosaic Law. An extremely narrow message to a particularly defined group of people.

Notably, misapplied text from Hebrews is cause for great concern with regard to the question of "losing your salvation." I am fully convinced we should rightly teach these passages. I don't believe we should expand these passages beyond the scope intended.....and teach it as doctrine!

One other point I would like to make:

It is assumed that the "you"s and the "ye"s WILL heed these exhortations and warnings.
On the other hand the "them"s and "they"s DID NOT HEED THE SAME WARNINGS. Evidently the heat was on and they beat a hasty retreat.....permanently.

Why should this be the case? Because you've got the Saints in the aint's. The truly saved believer will never walk away......permanently. And they DO heed God's warnings. Those who are unsaved to begin with will always (eventually) walk away permanently. Perhaps even not physically but in their heart.

I don't believe these passages in any way proclaim a doctrine of "losing your salvation". The bottom line is that Jesus Christ never loses. Ever.

The laws written down by Moses are given to him by our kFather.. There is no such thing as Mosaic law, only the laws of God given Moses to write down.

Jesus, Yeshua, fulfilled all law but did not abolish all law. He clarifies all in His teaching of the Gospel.

God's law is never abolished it is eternal. However the Mosaic Covenant (and the appurtenant laws thereof) are indeed obsolete because they have been superseded by the New Covenant, a better covenant.....

You did not understand my post, smple succinct and honest.

If you are born again, then how can you be "unborn" again? It it is God that caused you to be born again, who can reverse that? Hey, not even you. The fact that you care about sin is evidence that you are born again.

As soon as someone receives Christ, Satan sets out to rob him of the joy of his salvation. He can't make you unsaved but he can render you ineffective as a Christian. Satan is the accuser of the brethren, as we see in Revelation 12. He will accuse you to your conscience, and usually he has a point. Our answer is simple, no matter what we have done or failed to do. The blood of Christ has already satisfied God's righteous wrath. All we need to do is confess our sin. As far as God is concerned, that the end of it. He does not remember our sins. The blood of Christ erases sin as if it never happened.

If we fail to confess our sin, our conscience is defiled and we lose our joy. This makes us weak, because the joy of the Lord is our strength. Beating ourselves up is pointless. God scratches His head and wonders what we are fussing about. Instead, find out the wonderful blessings that are ours in Christ. There is great treasure to discover. Love, joy, peace victory. overcoming, wisdom that is far above the natural, provision, protection - I think you'll get the picture.

When we really see who we are made to be in Christ, life becomes much easier. Circumstances may not change. They may get harder. But we see things differently. What used to bring us down no longer affects us. We begin to trust God much more deeply. We see that if God is for us, who can be against us? We see that if God loved us enough to give us Jesus, why would He withhold other blessings?

Hebrews, a tough book to read when you are struggling, advises us to fix our eyes on Jesus. He began your faith. He will perfect it. That's His promise. And He has the power to ensure that His promises are kept.

Yes and if by extension, applied to Gentiles, it would be a warning against resorting to one’s own works, or even false gods to be saved.

I would not necessarily disagree with that. On the other hand I would not want to push it too far either.......

Neither would I, as the Gentiles are not the target audience.

I find that reading the Scripture and listening to certain songs have been an encouragement to me. A personal favorite Scripture passage of mine is the parable of the prodigal son.

Here are some songs that have been an encouragement to me:

Speaking of The Prodigal Son

does anyone have contact with the op? we need to know how they are doing, and if it would be ok to pray

Thank you all for your concern. I'm still struggling, but sort of moving ahead. I'm really struggling with spiritual apathy, which makes it harder to fight sin, which makes the apathy worse. I just really desire to be out of the apathy. To be honest, I really desire to be done with sin, but that's not going to happen in this lifetime.
It's just all new to me, and I think it's really easy for me to forget who I was before, so I don't notice the difference from who I was to who I am. I still struggle with the old desires, but that will get better with time. There's still a lot of basic development to do.
I was also getting very hung up on Hebrews 6:4-8, but the more I read it, the more it seems to actually say the opposite of what most understand it to say. (Actually speaks to the permanency of regeneration, you lose the things that go along with salvation, but you still have salvation. Sort of a parallel passage to 1 Cor. 3:15)
Thank you again for all your concern

to be the new one, thinking the heaven of good thing, not thinking bad thing around you, keep a good mood, update everyday.

Keep it up. Believe me when the fruit bearing happens you're going to be thrilled.....
What you going to notice is that you will grow in spurts. You might be sitting idle for a while but there will be occasions where your spiritual growth will be evident even to yourself.

Another thing you're going to notice it as time goes by you will be able to DISCERN genuine doctrine from the false. And if you stick around long enough it's all going to come together. You'll basically understand the entire Bible cover to cover........

And it's a great feeling believe me.

ONe of my favorite mentors, who helped me along, would always remind me, "Christians need the Gospel too".

Joe Focht does a commendable job on Hebrews 6...

He lays out the distictions of the personal prononuns, and illuminates the 5 participles of vv. 4, 5 and 6...
Very interesting exegesis and helpful.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/audio_video/popPlayer.cfm?id=12726&rel=focht_joe/Hbr

You've probably already received some pretty good responses. Many of us can probably relate to you--certainly I can! My conscience was so sensitive as a young disciple of Christ that I got condemned for just about anything. I ended up so bound that I was afraid to do anything with the smallest amount of paganism in it.

Well, I'm not going to tell you to just go ahead and do anything you want. That will put you under condemnation. But I can say that down the road your persistence will pay off, and you will feel less inclined towards condemnation.

We can't completely extract ourselves from this world, and from its corruptions. Jesus washed the feet of his Disciples because he knew they would get dirty in the world. We can't avoid all contamination from sin, nor should we even try. We should just try to walk the narrow path, and let any of these "questionable activities" be decided as they come.

More mature believers should be able to help you with this, but it's really a matter of your own faith. It it crosses your faith you will feel condemned.

Yes, condemnation does last for awhile, but it won't remove God's grace completely. Over time you will find a way past it. If you want to be accepted by God, any effort at all will get you saved.

Cleaning up your act helps you be more effective in your witness. And it removes the barriers between God and ourselves. God isn't all about fastening hundreds of rules onto your agenda!

I abandoned TV for years. I don't feel it made me any more righteous--all it did was make me so ignorant of the world around me that i couldn't communicate with them. So we need to be careful *what* we watch, and how far it goes. But we shouldn't expect our experience in the world to be pure. We live in an impure world.

The verse you mentioned above you are taking completely wrong. Here it is:

If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left.

This is *not* talking about those who *slip and fall,* but rather, about what we *choose* to adopt as our way of life. If we choose to live a pagan life, and simply redefine it as "Christian liberties," then we are not covered by Christ's sacrifice.

Jesus died for those who didn't know better so that when they do come to know better his death for their sins will enable them to obtain his righteousness and forgiveness from sin.

Those who slip and fall always turn back to Christ for forgiveness. Since he died for sin and for those who repent, his sacrifice will *always* be good for them!

It's like saying, "I've decided I don't want to go to the well for water. I'm going to get it from that old dried up cistern." Well, that old dried up cistern isn't good any longer. It's dried up! If you choose to *only* go to that cistern for water, there remains no other source of water to survive. You're going to die!

But if you tried going to that cistern, realized the error of your ways, and return to the well, you're going to be fine! Don't let condemnation hold you down for very long. Guilt is real, but it should go away after you've shown God and yourself that you're going to re-kindle your relationship with Him. You can't make the Holy Spirit show up. He just shows up when He wants to!

Incidentally, when the Holy Spirit seems to not be there, it doesn't necessarily mean you've sinned, or even that it's guilt of some kind. Sometimes God just isn't there as strongly as we'd like. He has the option of putting us through very short or very long periods of testing. Job's testing was likely terribly long! You need to use your strength at this time of your life to build up spiritual stature, strength, and character. You will get more confident, and more joyful, the longer you endure.

Heb 10:26, For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Heb 10:28, He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Heb 10:29, Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? Heb 10:30, For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. Heb 10:31, It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

We must understand this passage by certain biblical knowledge.
First, we find that according to scripture, Christians are not under the law (Romans 6:14), are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and are delivered from the law (Romans 7:6). Where no law is (where it does not apply), there is no transgression (Romans 4:15); sin is not imputed where there is no law (where it does not apply) (Romans 5:13).
We find in holy scripture, therefore, that "all things are lawful for me" (1 Corinthians 6:12, 10:23).
Now, sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4); so I conclude that as a believer under grace, I cannot sin in the eyes of the Father (1 John 3:9); who looks down on me from heaven and sees the shed blood of my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
So, looking at the passage, how is it possible to sin willfully after having received the knowledge of the truth? All of the things that I have mentioned above are obtained by faith in Jesus and what He did for us on the Cross.
So, I would sin willfully by failing to place my faith in Jesus and what He did for me on the Cross. In such a situation, the sin of transgressing the law would not be covered and I would be sinning against the Lord.
To sin willfully, I think that it would have to be a situation where I am not tempted to sin and a situation where I do not sin out of weakness. It is written,
Psa 37:23, The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way.
Psa 37:24, Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down: for the LORD upholdeth him with his hand.
I may fall into some temptation; but if I sin out of weakness then there is the possibility that I have not sinned willfully against the Lord; and I ought to look up in my faith and believe that there is indeed forgiveness for me, even in light of this passage.
If I keep faith in Jesus and what He did for me, then I am blessed according to the following scripture.
Rom 4:7, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Rom 4:8, Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
As long as sin is not imputed to me, I cannot sin willfully against the Lord, in the Lord's sight.
So then, the willful sin that is being spoken of in the passage has to do primarily with rejecting faith in Jesus Christ and what He did for us on the Cross.

Remember the context of sacrifice in this chapter is animal sacrifice.

Sacrifice for sins then would be an offering of an animal, old testament style, according to the Hebrews old ways.

So a believer sinning, cannot go back to the old system of sacrifices to please God, because there is no longer an animal sacrifice for sins. Jesus is the ultimate lamb.


Cant put Jesus back on the cross to save you again after sinning willfully, because He has already paid the price. He forgives without animal sacrifice