Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

I totally agree.
That was the point I was trying to make but I felt you were not making that point.

I focused on "If no works then no faith"
Thinking short term rather than longer term.
Sorry if I have misunderstood what you were saying.

Thanks for clarifying that a believer who has suffered severe trauma will produce some level of good works.

As I've already explained, but you refuse to hear, is I agree no one can snatch His sheep from His hand—if indeed they're His sheep. However, a person can willingly turn their back on the Lord and forfeit any benefit they may have had previously. This is the only way a person can lose their salvation.

You quote verses like John 10:28 because it supports what you want to believe. But you you ignore the rest of scripture at your own peril. You've been fed false doctrine so long you can't comprehend that it can be any other way.

Then I'm right. You've already made up your mind. . .LOL I'm going to stop talking to you now.

Evmur, go read Hebrews and then report back. On some things you have great understanding but on others you need some help.

Then that person never had ETERNAL LIFE. And God is a liar.

You can;t forfeit what you could never earn in the first place. If you could It was never a gift to be freely given it was a reward or wage which had to be earned.

No, the title's correct. This is pretty much the response I expect, a majority of people defending false doctrine. But just because the majority believes something doesn't make it right. "Broad is the way that leads to destruction and many there are who find it."

Same could be said of you my friend.

You quote verses to support what you want to believe as well.

It's no different is it?

Interesting "If indeed they were his sheep"

The broad way is exactly what you are teaching. 99 % of worlds religion teach what you teach. That we are saved by what we do. Not as a gift of God based on his work.

Very mature.

Your strap line.

"Love is patient love is kind"

Okay, noted. "Narrow is the road that leads to life and few there be who find it." I'm happy being one of the few, even if I am wrong.

As have you.

Evmur, you're missing the forest for the trees—as are all the rest.

Once again,

The gate you are entering is not the narrow gate.

That narrow gate is Christ alone through faith alone.

The wide gate, is works (of which there are many differences, which makes it the majority gospel. Which is no gospel at all

Again, another one picking and choosing their scriptures.

Look, I don't have a dog in this race. Personally, I wish OSAS were true. Then I could have my fire insurance and go on with my life the way I want and know in the end I'll make it in by the seat of my pants.

OSAS does not teach you can go live your life anyway you want.

first thing you may want to do is figure out what those who trust in Christ alone and believe eternal life is eternal and are secure in Christ actually believe Before you try to attack something you have no knowledge of.

Oh, I'm hearing you loud and clear.

It is you who are not hearing. John 10:28,29 doesn't say no other person. It says "no one". That means no person.

Are you a person? The verses teach that EVEN YOU cannot give it away.

When you believed, were you given the gift of eternal life? YES. John 5:24

Can you, a recipient of eternal life, EVER perish? NO John 10:28

Actually, I believe exactly what it says, unlike yourself.

So it seems you don't really believe what Jesus said then. That recipients of eternal life CAN perish.

Then teach me what Jesus was so clearly teaching in John 5:24 and 10:28.

That means exegete both verses and show how they refute my view.

Mostly, you know I have verses that you cannot explain. So you take the easy road out; cease discussion.

What part of "recipients of eternal life shall never perish" do you not understand?

Wow! I am glad OSAS is not true and I have no wish that it were true. I have no desire to go on with my life "the way I want" and to just make it by the seat of my pants! LOL!

The letters to the seven churches in Revelation 2 & 3 are to saved people. Yet the only promises He makes to any of them are to those who overcome. He doesn't say "to those who are truly saved I promise this or that, but you are are unsaved had better get save pretty quick or it won't go well for you."

I'm sure there a lot of creative ways to wiggle around this one. Who wants to go first?