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Aaron56

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Jul 12, 2021
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#1
"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." (2nd Timothy 2:15)

I see this verse a lot when people argue about what the Bible actually says. It's usually used as a point of validation for what someone believes vs. what another believes. "Well," the verse claims, "..if you were rightly dividing the word of truth you would believe like me." Of course, it's an empty position of authority that bears no credence to the truth. It's simply someone claiming a position of self-righteousness that can neither be validated or refuted. I suppose it only serves to insulate the conscience of the one using it: a sort of "I told him" satisfaction that asserts superiority and simultaneously nullifies the spiritual law of oneness in Christ. Frankly, it's disgusting.

Never argue about what the scripture says. Usually, it is there in black and white. However, what the scripture means is another thing altogether.

But here's the thing we don't acknowledge about the scriptures: God does not dispense understanding democratically. We don't all get the same level of understanding. By God's grace we receive anything, and the type and amount of grace we receive are unique to the gifts and calling of the person. Furthermore, if we desire a place of leadership within the church it is a good thing, but expect that God will prepare us to be established in that role. It won't come by studying the scriptures and memorizing verses. Many Jews memorized all the scriptures but they could not see who Jesus was as He walked among them. Being promoted by God comes by the things we suffer: by experiencing the grace of God in our lives through many trials. There is no other way.

This is the clear meaning of the verse above: "Demonstrate that you are the Lord's by obeying what He tells you." As we walk in the light, we reflect his character. As we mature, we may properly say "As you see me you see the Father." This is the simple demonstration He is after. However, to get to that point, there is much we must suffer. To hear the Lord and to walk by the Spirit more excellently requires the high price of denying ourselves and taking up our daily cross. Then we will know Him more and know more about what the scriptures mean.

Let me give you an example from my own life. If I wrote a letter to my wife, a personal letter, and sent it to her from a place overseas... If English professors at Harvard read it and said "This is what Aaron56 is saying to his wife" but then my wife reads it and says "No, Aaron56 means this..." Who would you believe? You should believe my wife because after spending 30+ years with me she would know my character, any idiosyncrasies I have and colloquialisms I might use, how I write and what things are important to me. She knows me better than anyone at Harvard because she has been in a relationship with me over several decades. The same is true with the Lord: we will know the Lord by the things we experience with Him. And, as we imitate those who, through faith and patience inherit the promises of God, He will dispense to us greater understanding. Those who show excellence in the lesser things will be given greater responsibility in the kingdom.

Grace and Peace,
Aaron56
 

Lanolin

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Dec 15, 2018
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#2
YES its kinda weird

People read, and then they interpret what they read
But I think the imortant thing is, how do you read the Bible? A lot of people skip things out or miss things, but it might just be the fault of their copy of the Bible, having pages or verses missing etc.
 

Blik

Senior Member
Dec 6, 2016
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#3
"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." (2nd Timothy 2:15)

I see this verse a lot when people argue about what the Bible actually says. It's usually used as a point of validation for what someone believes vs. what another believes. "Well," the verse claims, "..if you were rightly dividing the word of truth you would believe like me." Of course, it's an empty position of authority that bears no credence to the truth. It's simply someone claiming a position of self-righteousness that can neither be validated or refuted. I suppose it only serves to insulate the conscience of the one using it: a sort of "I told him" satisfaction that asserts superiority and simultaneously nullifies the spiritual law of oneness in Christ. Frankly, it's disgusting.

Never argue about what the scripture says. Usually, it is there in black and white. However, what the scripture means is another thing altogether.

But here's the thing we don't acknowledge about the scriptures: God does not dispense understanding democratically. We don't all get the same level of understanding. By God's grace we receive anything, and the type and amount of grace we receive are unique to the gifts and calling of the person. Furthermore, if we desire a place of leadership within the church it is a good thing, but expect that God will prepare us to be established in that role. It won't come by studying the scriptures and memorizing verses. Many Jews memorized all the scriptures but they could not see who Jesus was as He walked among them. Being promoted by God comes by the things we suffer: by experiencing the grace of God in our lives through many trials. There is no other way.

This is the clear meaning of the verse above: "Demonstrate that you are the Lord's by obeying what He tells you." As we walk in the light, we reflect his character. As we mature, we may properly say "As you see me you see the Father." This is the simple demonstration He is after. However, to get to that point, there is much we must suffer. To hear the Lord and to walk by the Spirit more excellently requires the high price of denying ourselves and taking up our daily cross. Then we will know Him more and know more about what the scriptures mean.

Let me give you an example from my own life. If I wrote a letter to my wife, a personal letter, and sent it to her from a place overseas... If English professors at Harvard read it and said "This is what Aaron56 is saying to his wife" but then my wife reads it and says "No, Aaron56 means this..." Who would you believe? You should believe my wife because after spending 30+ years with me she would know my character, any idiosyncrasies I have and colloquialisms I might use, how I write and what things are important to me. She knows me better than anyone at Harvard because she has been in a relationship with me over several decades. The same is true with the Lord: we will know the Lord by the things we experience with Him. And, as we imitate those who, through faith and patience inherit the promises of God, He will dispense to us greater understanding. Those who show excellence in the lesser things will be given greater responsibility in the kingdom.

Grace and Peace,
Aaron56
In the first three hundred years of the church, before Constantine, questions were taken to people trained by Christ, or ones closest to that training. There was lots of leniency about interpretation, just absolutely none about the core of Christianity. It was a church of lifestyle, not a church of doctrine.

When Constantine changed that so it became a council to decide church issues and church became government ruled, the entire church changed.
 

CS1

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May 23, 2012
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#4
"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." (2nd Timothy 2:15)

I see this verse a lot when people argue about what the Bible actually says. It's usually used as a point of validation for what someone believes vs. what another believes. "Well," the verse claims, "..if you were rightly dividing the word of truth you would believe like me." Of course, it's an empty position of authority that bears no credence to the truth. It's simply someone claiming a position of self-righteousness that can neither be validated or refuted. I suppose it only serves to insulate the conscience of the one using it: a sort of "I told him" satisfaction that asserts superiority and simultaneously nullifies the spiritual law of oneness in Christ. Frankly, it's disgusting.

Never argue about what the scripture says. Usually, it is there in black and white. However, what the scripture means is another thing altogether.

But here's the thing we don't acknowledge about the scriptures: God does not dispense understanding democratically. We don't all get the same level of understanding. By God's grace we receive anything, and the type and amount of grace we receive are unique to the gifts and calling of the person. Furthermore, if we desire a place of leadership within the church it is a good thing, but expect that God will prepare us to be established in that role. It won't come by studying the scriptures and memorizing verses. Many Jews memorized all the scriptures but they could not see who Jesus was as He walked among them. Being promoted by God comes by the things we suffer: by experiencing the grace of God in our lives through many trials. There is no other way.

This is the clear meaning of the verse above: "Demonstrate that you are the Lord's by obeying what He tells you." As we walk in the light, we reflect his character. As we mature, we may properly say "As you see me you see the Father." This is the simple demonstration He is after. However, to get to that point, there is much we must suffer. To hear the Lord and to walk by the Spirit more excellently requires the high price of denying ourselves and taking up our daily cross. Then we will know Him more and know more about what the scriptures mean.

Let me give you an example from my own life. If I wrote a letter to my wife, a personal letter, and sent it to her from a place overseas... If English professors at Harvard read it and said "This is what Aaron56 is saying to his wife" but then my wife reads it and says "No, Aaron56 means this..." Who would you believe? You should believe my wife because after spending 30+ years with me she would know my character, any idiosyncrasies I have and colloquialisms I might use, how I write and what things are important to me. She knows me better than anyone at Harvard because she has been in a relationship with me over several decades. The same is true with the Lord: we will know the Lord by the things we experience with Him. And, as we imitate those who, through faith and patience inherit the promises of God, He will dispense to us greater understanding. Those who show excellence in the lesser things will be given greater responsibility in the kingdom.

Grace and Peace,
Aaron56
the studying of the word of is done by those for many reasons.
  • knowledge
  • wisdom
  • control
  • for the promises

There is the only two reason why study the Bible
1. God wrote it.
2. You want to Know HIm more
 

Dino246

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Jun 30, 2015
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#5
Never argue about what the scripture says. Usually, it is there in black and white.
Unless it's with a KJV-only proponent. Then arguing about what the Scripture says is okay. :p:LOL:
 

Icedaisey

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Jul 19, 2021
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#6
I see Christian discussion forums are like unto the environment we find in our church.

If the church sat together after a Sunday service and discussed Bible topics we'd see the same thing happening there as we do here. Or in any Christian forum.

The only reason this isn't evident already at every service is because it's usually the pastor who is the only one openly giving their opinion on any given Bible topic.

If they opened the floor to questions and opinions, the church atmosphere would then turn into a forum.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Sep 2, 2020
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#7
"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." (2nd Timothy 2:15)

I see this verse a lot when people argue about what the Bible actually says. It's usually used as a point of validation for what someone believes vs. what another believes. "Well," the verse claims, "..if you were rightly dividing the word of truth you would believe like me." Of course, it's an empty position of authority that bears no credence to the truth. It's simply someone claiming a position of self-righteousness that can neither be validated or refuted. I suppose it only serves to insulate the conscience of the one using it: a sort of "I told him" satisfaction that asserts superiority and simultaneously nullifies the spiritual law of oneness in Christ. Frankly, it's disgusting.

Never argue about what the scripture says. Usually, it is there in black and white. However, what the scripture means is another thing altogether.

But here's the thing we don't acknowledge about the scriptures: God does not dispense understanding democratically. We don't all get the same level of understanding. By God's grace we receive anything, and the type and amount of grace we receive are unique to the gifts and calling of the person. Furthermore, if we desire a place of leadership within the church it is a good thing, but expect that God will prepare us to be established in that role. It won't come by studying the scriptures and memorizing verses. Many Jews memorized all the scriptures but they could not see who Jesus was as He walked among them. Being promoted by God comes by the things we suffer: by experiencing the grace of God in our lives through many trials. There is no other way.

This is the clear meaning of the verse above: "Demonstrate that you are the Lord's by obeying what He tells you." As we walk in the light, we reflect his character. As we mature, we may properly say "As you see me you see the Father." This is the simple demonstration He is after. However, to get to that point, there is much we must suffer. To hear the Lord and to walk by the Spirit more excellently requires the high price of denying ourselves and taking up our daily cross. Then we will know Him more and know more about what the scriptures mean.

Let me give you an example from my own life. If I wrote a letter to my wife, a personal letter, and sent it to her from a place overseas... If English professors at Harvard read it and said "This is what Aaron56 is saying to his wife" but then my wife reads it and says "No, Aaron56 means this..." Who would you believe? You should believe my wife because after spending 30+ years with me she would know my character, any idiosyncrasies I have and colloquialisms I might use, how I write and what things are important to me. She knows me better than anyone at Harvard because she has been in a relationship with me over several decades. The same is true with the Lord: we will know the Lord by the things we experience with Him. And, as we imitate those who, through faith and patience inherit the promises of God, He will dispense to us greater understanding. Those who show excellence in the lesser things will be given greater responsibility in the kingdom.

Grace and Peace,
Aaron56
agreeable , and yet in any biblical discussion those differences in understanding are going to meet at some point

I think there’s a distinction between standing your ground in a discussion being convinced , and it’s another thing when the insults and smearing sand name calling and accusations begin

I’ve always felt that when two ideas come together and flash within a proper spirit , even if they don’t conform together in the beginning , there’s always the principle or iron sharpening iron

to do that clashes take place each time the iron is shaped by the clash against the iron until the proper shape is recovered and realized and then there are two sharpened iron blades

it’s when the iron clashes with the seedlings cutting them down or the children group up to mock the older brother lacking the same understanding that issues arise and dull the blades and stain them with blood

when iron clashes , sparks emerge as a result but after the sparks have settles and turned to ash the blade is reshaped to a better form