Doctrine of Unconditional Election

Its crystal clear that the scriptures teach election, even unconditional election in salvation. Most people will agree that election is taught in scripture, but very few agree that its unconditional, and totally by grace and Gods sovereign good pleasure, not outside of Himself. Even the OT scripture indicates Gods sovereign prerogative in election and having mercy on whomever He will Ex 33:19

And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. In this discriminatory fashion God exhibits His Glory

Now Paul alludes to this scripture in his treatise on unconditional election in Rom 9:11-16

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)

12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

We learn that there is what Paul terms "the purpose of God according to election" This is a salvaic purpose,. its answering the seeming dilema as to why so many jews in national israel are being lost Rom 9:1-6

Its from this background that Paul develops his treatise on the doctirne of unconditional election, or "the purpose of God according to election"

Now let us look at what Rom 9 tells us: By writer of godsonlygospel.com "election is just not fair.

I do differ with the author regarding his statement "The saved are those who are elected by grace through faith, "

I believe the saved are those who are elected by Grace, minus the faith, but Faith being the consequent of election by grace.

However the main point is, the elect are not elected based upon any foreseen actions or deeds , good or bad, that man has done or will do, because the election of grace was made before they were born to do any actions whatsoever, thats the Apostles point.

This treatise by Paul should forever eliminate the false idea that election is based upon anything foreseen in or of the sinner. Its totally unconditional ! Its totally of Sovereign prerogative !

Strong’s Definitions
Grace/χάρις cháris, khar'-ece; from G5463; graciousness (as gratifying), of manner or act (abstract or concrete; literal, figurative or spiritual; especially the divine influence upon the heart, and its reflection in the life; including gratitude):—acceptable, benefit, favour, gift, grace(- ious), joy, liberality, pleasure, thank(-s, -worthy).

For it is by grace (the divine influence upon the heart…) you have been saved, through faith; and that (faith) is not of yourselves it (faith) is a gift from God.

🤷‍♂️ Pretty straight forward.

Strong’s Definitions
Grace/χάρις cháris, khar'-ece; from G5463; graciousness (as gratifying), of manner or act (abstract or concrete; literal, figurative or spiritual; especially the divine influence upon the heart, and its reflection in the life; including gratitude):—acceptable, benefit, favour, gift, grace(- ious), joy, liberality, pleasure, thank(-s, -worthy).

For it is by grace (the divine influence upon the heart…) you have been saved, through faith; and that (faith) is not of yourselves it (faith) is a gift from God.

🤷‍♂️ Pretty straight forward.

I mentioned faith in my op.

Its crystal clear that the scriptures teach election, even unconditional election in salvation. Most people will agree that election is taught in scripture, but very few agree that its unconditional, and totally by grace and Gods sovereign good pleasure, not outside of Himself. Even the OT scripture indicates Gods sovereign prerogative in election and having mercy on whomever He will Ex 33:19

And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. In this discriminatory fashion God exhibits His Glory

Now Paul alludes to this scripture in his treatise on unconditional election in Rom 9:11-16

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)

12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

We learn that there is what Paul terms "the purpose of God according to election" This is a salvaic purpose,. its answering the seeming dilema as to why so many jews in national israel are being lost Rom 9:1-6

Its from this background that Paul develops his treatise on the doctirne of unconditional election, or "the purpose of God according to election"

Now let us look at what Rom 9 tells us: By writer of godsonlygospel.com "election is just not fair.

I do differ with the author regarding his statement "The saved are those who are elected by grace through faith, "

I believe the saved are those who are elected by Grace, minus the faith, but Faith being the consequent of election by grace.

However the main point is, the elect are not elected based upon any foreseen actions or deeds , good or bad, that man has done or will do, because the election of grace was made before they were born to do any actions whatsoever, thats the Apostles point.

This treatise by Paul should forever eliminate the false idea that election is based upon anything foreseen in or of the sinner. Its totally unconditional ! Its totally of Sovereign prerogative !

ha ha ha ... yep ... true statement.

Imagine Jesus The Christ on the Cross, looking down at the human race.
He bleeding, He's dying, He's God on the Cross.......and He says....>"just remember, Calvin on lets me save some of you""

Welcome to "pre-destined elect" heresy.
It's straight out of hell.
Its theological vomit. It's ANTI-CROSS theology.

Or your view Kidron - Imagine Jesus dying on the cross and looking down on the human race and saying... well I hope this plan works.. its up to man now. Doesn't sound very biblical to me.

Unconditional election accused God as favoritism and unfair. God not doing random election either He elect base on faith

I think this needs a slightly different perspective in that “election” is less about one being more beloved child of God then another and more to do with mission. If we understand that all of us are heading to God and that all of Gods intentions for us is to first know him by divine revelation and to love each other, then we know that no matter how great or small our task is it is relevant to getting us to our destination. That some were elected to more prominent tasks to me at least says more about the talents God gave them to do the task and less about their greatness above others.

Second I think we often misunderstand the Old Testament writings, that in the Israelites humanizing God by giving him emotions such as hate or love they were simply explaining their own experiences with God and using it in ways they understood in their limited understanding of him. What do I mean, God in his self revelation, especially during these specific descriptions was in its earliest stages explaining that he was one God and that there was only one God. That as any parent to a child at its earliest stages of development uses the simplest terms and disciplines to shape that understanding. A child under the age of 5 has no moral understanding of implications. Doing something bad and implementing simple disciplines to guide said child are necessary though not explicit. Touch flame ouch, parent that’s bad don’t touch the flame. In a child’s mind that can translate to anger. Child wonders near a cliff and almost throws themselves off a mother will aggressively use her own body even to save said child even if that child will receive some scrapes from the force the mother may need to give to save that child from falling.
what I’m trying to say is that emotional explainatios of perceived emotional reactions we received from situations we encountered with God I believe should be seen from a spiritual child’s perspective in that we were in our spiritual infancy. It’s was largely in Jesus himself that we understood to such extent the real basis for Gods nature. Which he revealed himself. He is Love itself.

So to say elect I believe is irrelevant, that each of us has a path and some might be called to be visual symbols of Christ to a larger group then others is a calling but so they were created. God also gave them the talents to do that path, they also have the responsibility and weight of that responsibility to accept and fulfil that path. Doesn’t mean we are excluded from that same responsibility with our own talents (though many may be significantly smaller). I think ultimately those kind of responsibilities is directly tied to salvation history, yet we are all called to focus on our ever deepening relationship with God as the main goals for our journey of life, and to focus on “who’s the greatest among us” is unnecessary. If God asks us to drink that cup he will give us the grace to do so, but that shouldn’t necessary be our focus.

Election is unto Salvation so its a very important gospel doctrine my friend.

Or your view Kidron - Imagine Jesus dying on the cross and looking down on the human race and saying... well I hope this plan works.. its up to man now. Doesn't sound very biblical to me.

I didn’t mean to imply election doesn’t happen or is bad. Wasn’t my intention I meant election as implied as something associated with Gods like or dislike of a person isn’t true. Ei hated essau, in light of Christ teaching we know God loved him, so I was reiterating how viewing the Old Testament should be seen in a certain light

What Jesus did say as He hung on the cross

Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.


Here's something else Jesus said ...

John 3:

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

So I am not sure of your point?

Gods Glory is manifested in Unconditional Sovereign Election and Reprobation.

His point probably was that the word "whosoever" (anyone and everyone) cancels unconditional election. And that is true.