the great Jewish "distress"

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Onwould say two questions but one has two aspects because the end is when he returns

“As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:40-43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they asked him three parts but the re we’re only two answers he returns at the end. But the temples destruction was near and would begin the sorrows ahead for earth

no [] but the church chucked out the 3rd part in the 4th century, The Millennium.

The entire olivet discourse is about 70AD you say? Very believable, until I get to verse 30.

Jesus coming in the clouds in power and glory, did not happen in 70AD. I have heard the saying that the Lord "Rides on a cloud to egypt" and things like that in the old testament and this was a similar coming. But I just do not believe it. I believe Jesus returns only ONCE.
No secret returns in AD70, no secret rapture returns. None of that.

yes agreed with all of it we’re not all appointed to that type of suffering like beheadings or even to live in a generation like the first Christian generation . That suffered so much persecution and tribulation

But all throughout there pops up mass persecutions every few hundred years and then It settles awhile and again it raises and lowers times of far less and even little persecution other generations suffer great calamity for the faith like during the Islamic assaults on Constantinople and so on through history

my position is most of the Christian persecution now the most common is spiritual by these creatures

“Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭6:11-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I think we do agree that Jesus was addressing not only the end but also the immediate persecution facing the church of that generation ahead so I agree with your op on the discourse even if we differ in small details of understanding about the future unfolding

was a pleasant discussion thanks for that it’s sometimes rare to have a cordial talk[/QUOTE]

Yes, I expect to find fellowship with genuine and committed Christians. I'm here not just for that, though, but also to work out for myself some of the details. Discussions over details should not be misconstrued as unfriendliness or unbrotherliness--it's just me trying to work things out, and to try to help others where I feel I've been helped.

I agree with you on the persecution thing. It comes and goes, and sometimes takes the form of things like illness or opposition by others. It doesn't always have to be beheadings or martyrdom. In some ways, suffering regular opposition can feel worse than martyrdom, because martyrdom leads straight to "heaven," whereas suffering opposition, illness, etc. is ongoing, and can harass us over a lifetime.

I don't call everything "Satan" that happens to me negatively. But sometimes it certainly is, and we need to be aware of it, so we don't get sucked up into carnal warfare.

The days of our lives are seventy years; And if by reason of strength they are eighty years,

So how long do we have left?

Jesus was speaking about the END TIMES except in verses 4-6 where he specifically talks about 70 AD and says the end is not yet or in Luke he says THE END is by and by. So, what is THE END? Well, of course, that is the 70th week.

(Paraphrasing) Jesus explains about the coming destruction of the temple and then the disciples as him three questions, when will these things be (temples destruction) and the sign of your coming, and the end of the world [or of the age of Satan in other words].

So, naturally, Jesus answers in verses 4-6 about the 70 AD event and says THE END is not yet or is by and by (LATER ON, this is the key to the whole Olivet Doscourse THE END) because Jesus goes on to tells them when the end comes in verse 14 and what brings it on, then he tells them about those end times in verses 15-31.

The Church Age is verses 7-14, none of this has anything to do with the 70th week, it births the 70th-week troubles, that's why it's called Birth Pangs !! Earthquakes, Wars, Famine, and Pestilence BIRTH the 70th week (END) Jesus was pointing unto. Verse 14 says that when the gospel is preached unto the ends of the earth, then and only then would THE END (70th week) come. We know this has nothing to do with 70 AD because India and China were known nations/regions, and the gospel hadn't been carried unto them yet.

So, THE END is spoken about in verse 14, then we go straight into the AoD which is not 70 AD, its in our future, very soon I might add.

So, no, Jesus was not talking about 70 AD via his Olivet speech, he was speaking about THE END (70th week) after he got past verse 14.

it's not as important to understand prophecies as to relationship god.the closer to god we r in relationship the better we will understand the bible

I agree with most of this, except that the 70th week needs to come after the 69th week, or it's not the 70th week. So if Daniel's prophecy is to be correct - unless it mentions a gap that I am unaware of, and I'm fairly sure there is no gap mentioned - the 70th week has already passed.

Generally, I agree with you; the so-called Olivet discourse was primarily about the judgment coming upon national Israel. However, I would say that the destruction of the temple in 70 AD was the end of the age... the age of the Levitical priesthood for the Jews only. There are many clues in the New Testament that support this idea.

Where do you guys get this (Excuse me...way out there GAP theory)....if 70 AD was the 70th week that would have been a 40-year gap. The sad part is you guys do not understand God's ways it seems. I see THREE PROPHECIES, no one. Why else would God have a 7 x 7, a 62 x 7, and a 1 x 7, it's you guys which do not understand God's ways, it's not God's fault you can't see what He is saying.

It boggles my mind that in Ezekiel, God tells us Israel is going to be as Dead Men's Bones until the very end times, meaning for nigh 2000 years until 1948, and yet you don't understand that God is giving us Israel LIFESPAN, and He Himself says they are not alive for nigh 2000 years in His mind. This is why the Beasts all fit together when you take out the Gentile Church Age and put the pieces back together from 70 AD until the Rapture of the Church which is most certainly Pre Trib (any time I hear someone who can't understand Pre Trib I know nothing they say to me about Eschatology is with listening to, basically). So, the 7 Beasts are about Israel's lifespan, thus there is no Ottoman Empire nor British Empire, only Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome, and the coming Anti-Christ and his 10 which means COMPLETENESS or ALL Europe.

God SPECIASFICALY STATES in Daniel 9:24-27 that Israel MUST REPENT before the 70th week is finished, what about that do yiu guys not get? Someone is playing you guys with this bogus 69 weeks and 1/2 bunk. There has been 69 weeks, Jesus was CUT OFF (Died) the 70th week is a Prophecy all unto itself, thus its 1 x 7, not 70 x 7 as you guys think, sorry to be so brash, but I get very tired of "being taught" by people who do not understand these things. It's 7 x 7 (PROPHECY) it's 62 x 7 (PROPHECY) and 1 x 7 is the last PROPHECY yet to be fulfilled. No one can answer why it's not just 70 x 7, because they are not hip to the facts, its THREE PROPHESIES, and thus we get THREE SIGNSPOSTS, The Wall...........Jesus death............and the prince to come (Anti-Christ) who makes AGREEMENTS WITH MANY (Not just Israel), and then reneges on his agreements in the middle of the week.

It is what it is, if people can't understand prophecy they can't teach it to others.

Daniel 9:24-27

One prophecy.
Seventy weeks.
Unbroken.
No gap.
Ended in 34 A.D.
100% fulfilled.
Not about any future point in time.


Olivet Discourse

Two questions.
Answer more than questions asked.
About 70 A.D. and End Times Scenario
(and all in between - i.e. ~2000 years)

Matthew 24:15-21 / Mark 13:14-19 / Luke 21:20-23 about circa 70 A.D.

I am in general agreement with the OP.

Most people seem to fail to interpret Daniel 9:24-27 in the context of the [whole] chapter itself - which clearly shows what the prophecy is about and the time frame of its fulfillment.

Yep they ask him about the end of that "age" in https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/24-3.htm then he gave them the direct answer to it in https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/24-34.htm It's all about how they saw an generation,age ect. of time in that they saw an generation as in https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/2-4.htm that is that they saw seven ages of time unfolding https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/2-4.htm so they were asking him when the age they were in would end and the next then would begin not the end of the cosmos/world.

Israel (the remnant) did repent before the 70th week finished. That's why we have Christians.

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

70 comes after 69. If you can't see that, we're at an impasse. The bible is about Jesus, not the anti-Christ. The covenant is confirmed by the Holy Spirit. After Jesus' death, the temple was torn in two. No animal sacrifice or oblation was any longer acceptable. And eventually in 70AD, Jerusalem was made desolate for her unbelief, and that determined poured out upon her (with all the Christians fleeing in safety to Pella).

Which only proves you have no clue what you are talking about via bible prophecy in general. The Olivet Discourse has THREE QUESTIONS, when shall THESE THINGS BE (refers to the Temples Destruction Jesus had already spoken about) AND what are the SIGNS of your coming AND the End of the world.

You have no hope of ever out debating me on anything Eschatology, you are just wasting your treading water. I have a blog that destroys your misunderstandings of the 70th week.

Daniel's 70 Week Decree against Israel

In Daniel 9:24, Daniel prophesied that these six things must come to pass before this judgment against Israel would be fulfilled. Some think Jesus fulfilled all of these, most seem to think, as I do, that these things have not come to pass, and when they do that will be the end of the age.

1. Finish the transgression ( Israel has yet to repent for their revolt, thus the transgression can not be FINISHED !! Basic stuff tbh)
2. Make an end of sins ( Israel has to STOP WILFUL SINS, not be sinless like Jesus was )
3. To make reconciliation for iniquity (Israel has to reconcile to God via repenting, see Zechariah 13:8-9 they do that at the DOTL)
4. Bring in everlasting righteousness (This 70th-week prophecy MUST USHER IN Jesus' 1000 year reign)
5. To seal up vision and prophecy (This 70th-week prophecy can not end until ALL PROPHECY has come to pass)
6. Anoint the Most Holy (Jesus s God is the Most Holy, thus he will be Anointed King of kings and Lord of lords)

1. The Hebrew word used for transgression denotes revolt or rebellion. The Jewish people chose to reject God, many chose to stay in Babylon once they were freed. It also denotes their rejection of Jesus Christ. Jesus prophesied in Matthew 23:39 that the Jewish people would not see him again until they accepted him. Matt. 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed, is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. So in order for Jesus to return, Israel has to repent of their rejection of God and Jesus, and Israel will open their hearts to the Messiah, like Paul, Isaiah, and Zechariah 12:10 and 13:8-9 prophesied, among others.

2. This is fairly straightforward, wilful sins can only end when the millennial reign starts, so by the time this 70-week decree is over, Jesus will have returned to set up his kingdom, ushering in the millennial kingdom where there will be no Wilful Sins, there will be sins of omission, of course, but no Wilful Lusts or sins of the flesh, after all Satan is bound up. Since the tribulation week is the last week of the 70 weeks decree, that makes perfect sense, as soon as the tribulation period ends, or the “time of Jacob’s trouble ends", then “Wilful Sins will end”. Jesus will rule with a Rod of Iron, no more liberal freaky deeky in the streets.

3. Israel has to be reconciled unto God before the 70 weeks prophecy can be fulfilled. There is no doubt that Jesus died for all of our sins, thus the atonement for sins has been made, but there is a conditional requirement for all of us to receive that atonement, we must accept Jesus as our Savior. When Israel accepts the Messiah Jesus, as their Messiah, then the atonement for Israel's sins will have been completed, and Israel will have been reconciled unto God, thereby ushering in the millennial kingdom.

4. This 70-week decree has to bring in everlasting righteousness, and we know this can not happen until Jesus sets up his Kingdom. This world has always had sin, and always will until Jesus is Lord of lords and King of kings. By the time Daniels's prophecy ends, it must usher in everlasting righteousness, which is Jesus' 1000 year reign, which leads into the New Jerusalem.

5. Seal up vision and prophecy, the word used here denotes to close up, meaning that before this 70th week can come to an end, all prophecy must be fulfilled or closed up. This will only happen when Israel accepts Jesus as their Messiah and he lands on Mt. Zion to rule over this wicked world with a rod of iron.

6. The very last goal that this 70-week prophecy has to usher in is the anointing of the Most Holy. The bible says most holy, many try to add holy place, but whether it is the temple being anointed, or Jesus Christ as Lord of lord and Kings of kings as I suspect, we know this must happen before the 70 weeks decree is fulfilled. And Jesus must return and rule on this earth.

All six of these things have to happen before this prophecy is fulfilled. These are six spiritual goals that have to come to pass or this prophecy will not be finished or sealed up. We know these things have not come to pass yet, but we also know they are very near to happening, therefore watch, for Israel is now a nation again, and the world is against her, soon she will need her Messiah's help, then she will call upon him, and he will save her from this wicked world.

If you can't understand this, you are ot called unto Prophecy and should stop trying to teach it.

just a reminder the gift of love greater then the gift of prophecy.Some play dumb in order get u to puff youself with what u know, rather then who u know

In the midst of the COMING 70th week, the people (Romans/Europe) of the prince (Anti-Christ) to come (during the LAST WEEK or 70th week which is at the very End Time). We have to leave verse 26 in to see the full context.

Dan. 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off(after 69 weeks he is KILLED, not 69 1/2), but not for himself: and the people(Romans/Europ) of the prince (Anti-Christ) that shall come shall destroy the city(Jerusalem in 70 AD) and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood (Army), and unto the end of the war desolations (Israel were as Dead Men's Bones for nigh 2000 years) are determined.

THE PEOPLE (Romans/Europe) of the prince that will come SHALL DESTROY Jerusalem in 70 AD and Israel will be left Desolate

Zechariah 13:8-9 PROVES this Wrong. WATCH:

Zechariah 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. 9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

THE VERY NEXT VERSES SAYS THIS:

Zechariah 14:1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

So, this above THE DAY OF THE LORD, we see the Day of the Lord comes right after 1/3 of all the Jews Repent and turn unto God and he calls them His people and they call God their God. Now two things matter here, we see that 1/3 of the Jews Repent, not a Few Disciples and a few followers of the Disciples !! The Jews REJECTED Jesus, if 1/3 had accepted Jesus God would have accepted that as Israelnrepenteing, Israel rejected Jesus and chose Barabbas instead. Christians do not take the place of Israel, that is way out there stuff man, way over the edge. Secondly, we see when this repentance happens, the DOTL arrives just afterward. Israel is taken by this Anti-Christ/Beast. Then in verses 3 and 4 we see Jesus shows up to DESTROY these evil minions and the Beast at Armageddon.

3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. 4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Only in the END TIMES just before the coming DOTL does Israel repent, Paul told you that if you will just heed his words in Romans chapter 11, let's see if these Jews TURNED into Christians as you say, or of Paul calls them THEM and YOU.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches(Israel), take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them(Israel) which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23 And they(Israel) also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes. 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Israel has NOT REPENTED, she was Blind IN PART (as a Nation but not as Individuals) and that Blindness MUST REMAIN, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in (The RAPTURE) then and only then will Israel Repent and thus ALL Israel will be saved, not every Jew, but Israel as a NATION is Preserved. Thus Jesus rules from Jerusalem amongst the Jews.

Paul was speaking LONG AFTER Jesus death, he said Israel was BLIND until the time of the Gentiles are over (Rapture), THEN ALL Israel will be Saved, or Israel as a nation when the 1/3 repent. If Abrahams's seed is preserved as a Nation Israel is SAVED.

The Prophecy is about Israel and THEIR REPENTANCE, not Jesus Christ, he is a MARKER, just like The Wall and the End Time Anti-Christ.

Everyone knows 70 comes after 69, it's you guys who do not understand God is not beholden to the way we humans on earth think. He gave us three prophetic timelines, one of 49 years (7 x 7) one of 434 years (62 x 7), and one of 7 years (1 x 7). The Covenant is not confirmed by the Holy Spirit, you don't even understand what's going on here brother, it's frustrating tbh. The word Covenant means AGREEMENT, the prince to come makes AGREEMENTS with MANY, not just Israel, he thus makes agreements with Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Israel, Egypt, Libya, Morrocco, Algeria, and Tunisia. The Deals are already IN PLACE with the European Union as we speak, and they are for 7 years, they were from 2007-2013 and 2014-2020, all we are waiting on is the Anti-Christ to come to power and put his FRESH SPIN on these AGREEMENTS. The Framework is currently IN PLACE...................SEE HERE: European Neighborhood Policy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Neighbourhood_Policy

Now turn to Daniel 11:40-43 to SEE who all he (King of the North/Anti-Christ//Beast) Conquers. It tells us right there, its NOT just Israel, he conquers all of North Africa, and MANY COUNTRIES including Israel, BUT, it specifically says he can not conquer Edom, Moab of Ammon, guess where they are at, that's right, they are the Mountains of Jordan where the Petra/Bozrah area is, where the Jews who REPENT flee unto.

What you do not get, I see now in your post, is that the prince to come isn't about the people (Romans) who destroy the city of Jerusalem at that time, he is the prince who comes LATER after the City has been destroyed. During the End Times 70th week.

The LINK ABOVE is the 7 Year Covenant FRAMEWORK. It is between the E.U. and all those Nations I named above.

A funny thing happens when you put the E.U. and ALL those nations I named above on a Map together, they look EXACTLY like the Roman Empire did on a map. WATCH BELOW.







NOTICE how this coming Beast looks just like the Old Roman Empire or Fourth Beast.

Rom. 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. (Europe over 2000 years was DIVIDED but the 10 means the COMPLETE NUMBER THEREOF however many that be at any given time)

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn(Anti-Christ is BORN in Greece which is in the E.U.), before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

And when people are leading others astray, they need to be called out, Paul called them out, and in Ezekiel 3:18 God specifically tells us we must warn the wicked of the results of their sins or else we are responsible for their deaths. So we have to warn the unsaved of their sins AND we have to call out those leading others astray with bad teachings.

You can call it what you want, that will not abate the facts the holy spirit has given unto me. I don't know why they haven't been given these truths but that is not my problem, my problem is Satan like spreading his half-truths and thus I have to root them out with God's truths, that's all that really matters to me.

If I didn't have love I wouldn't spend time trying to enlighten them of their errors. Paul had LOVE when he chastised the Galatians, and others, as did Jesus, it is what it is brother. The truth can not be pushed aside.

That's okay - I have a God and Father Who will one day show you the truth - and you will feel about as tall as the electron in a hydrogen atom.

You sure are a proud one, aren't you?

Angry, too.

Always ready to blast anyone who may disagree with you.

I am not looking to debate anyone.

I am very confident that my interpretation of Daniel 9:24-27 is true and correct - and, that my understanding of the three accounts of the Olivet Discourse is good and proper.

You may certainly disagree if you wish.

Nope and Nope, stop being like the Race-Baiting liberals are. Just because I point out where you are wrong and prove it via God's Holy Word does make me Proud or Angry, it means I am hearing God's voice, and you are uttering someone else's whispers.

You can't rebut my post so you turn to the Alinsky-like tactics, LOL. Come on man, be a big boy. At least I reply to a post when I am aiming at a post, as you finally did here.

You are wrong, and that is why you can't debate, you have already lost via my last post. It's not even that complex a Prophecy. You guys push stuff you do not understand, which means you were not called unto prophecy OR you are slacking.