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wow I hadn’t considered that but agree , physically speaking . I find that of a man is looking up into heaven and receiving a vision of God he might see an expanse or brilliant layer between heaven and earth that obscured our view into the spiritual places like this sort of
So if God approached in heaven and looked down to earth to speak it might appear like this with an expanse betwixt that obscures the view like a veil
“And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above.
And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings. And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.
And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.”
Ezekiel 1:22, 25-27 KJV
but If a man was up above the firmament the same vision might look like this because there’s no veil or crystal expanse between the two places
“After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.”
Revelation 4:1-6 KJV
I shortened the account from Ezekiel but you may be able to see my point if your looking up at the sea of glass it would look like an expanse across the y like a sea of crystal above the earth but below heaven
but if you are above the expanse it would look like a sea of crystal
so I think the sea is the thing holding back man from seeing the spiritual reality of creation shown in revelations epic visions of John who was in heaven seeing things that were still looking at from earth and trying to find the right view the perspective changed in my opinion from earth in the ot to heaven in the new
So if God approached in heaven and looked down to earth to speak it might appear like this with an expanse betwixt that obscures the view like a veil
“And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above.
And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings. And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.
And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.”
Ezekiel 1:22, 25-27 KJV
but If a man was up above the firmament the same vision might look like this because there’s no veil or crystal expanse between the two places
“After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.”
Revelation 4:1-6 KJV
I shortened the account from Ezekiel but you may be able to see my point if your looking up at the sea of glass it would look like an expanse across the y like a sea of crystal above the earth but below heaven
but if you are above the expanse it would look like a sea of crystal
so I think the sea is the thing holding back man from seeing the spiritual reality of creation shown in revelations epic visions of John who was in heaven seeing things that were still looking at from earth and trying to find the right view the perspective changed in my opinion from earth in the ot to heaven in the new
when John sees the fire mixed in the sea of glass it’s because he’s looking down through the crystal expanse into the earth where this has now happened Thisnisnwhy he sees the fire mixed in and the redeemed start appearing in heaven standing on The crystal expanse so he’s looking down into earth after this happens the atonement sacrifice of Christ
“And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.”
Revelation 8:5 KJV
the next time we see the sea the beast roses up from it and the Christians are pursued by the dragon ( John is still looking down from heaven seeing the spiritual reality on earth ) and then the atonement fire appears as they begin being redeemed and appear in heaven with John standing before the throne on the sea of glass mingled with the atonement fire
the ot speaks of God looking through an opening in heaven looking at earth seeking after men’s hearts searching us I think John is looking through thy at window seeing the earth in it’s true state where Satan is causing havoc
“And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.”
Revelation 8:5 KJV
the next time we see the sea the beast roses up from it and the Christians are pursued by the dragon ( John is still looking down from heaven seeing the spiritual reality on earth ) and then the atonement fire appears as they begin being redeemed and appear in heaven with John standing before the throne on the sea of glass mingled with the atonement fire
the ot speaks of God looking through an opening in heaven looking at earth seeking after men’s hearts searching us I think John is looking through thy at window seeing the earth in it’s true state where Satan is causing havoc
This present earth and heaven will be no more and there will be a new earth and heaven where sin has never been and sin will never be.
That is why there is no sea for it is a new earth.
All sin must be purged with fire and the wicked does not get renovated and neither does the earth that has been tainted with sin.
Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
It is a completely new heaven and earth.
Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Jesus went away to prepare the new earth and heaven and will not renovate this earth.
Psa 63:9 But those that seek my soul, to destroy it, shall go into the lower parts of the earth.
Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
The wicked are in the lower parts of the earth which is hell.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
The devils will be cast to earth where it becomes their holding cell and they cannot roam the air anymore and they will deceive all the wicked to follow the antichrist.
All the wicked people and fallen angels will be confined to the earth and located in that one place.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
The whole earth with all the wicked people and angels will be cast in to the lake of fire.
So there is a new earth and heaven the place that Jesus is preparing for the saints and when the saints are at the New Jerusalem the former heaven and earth will not be remembered nor come to mind for the saints and angels will remember nothing prior to the New Jerusalem for it is associated with sin and rebellion.
That is why there is no sea for it is a new earth.
All sin must be purged with fire and the wicked does not get renovated and neither does the earth that has been tainted with sin.
Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
It is a completely new heaven and earth.
Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Jesus went away to prepare the new earth and heaven and will not renovate this earth.
Psa 63:9 But those that seek my soul, to destroy it, shall go into the lower parts of the earth.
Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
The wicked are in the lower parts of the earth which is hell.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
The devils will be cast to earth where it becomes their holding cell and they cannot roam the air anymore and they will deceive all the wicked to follow the antichrist.
All the wicked people and fallen angels will be confined to the earth and located in that one place.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
The whole earth with all the wicked people and angels will be cast in to the lake of fire.
So there is a new earth and heaven the place that Jesus is preparing for the saints and when the saints are at the New Jerusalem the former heaven and earth will not be remembered nor come to mind for the saints and angels will remember nothing prior to the New Jerusalem for it is associated with sin and rebellion.
it seems as if there is some sort of connection here
“For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.
And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the Lord out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the Lord, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the Lord. And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the Lord. For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord. And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.”
Isaiah 66:18, 20-
And here
“And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.”
Revelation 14:9-12 KJV
I don’t exactly get it completely but it seems relevant
“For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.
And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the Lord out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the Lord, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the Lord. And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the Lord. For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord. And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.”
Isaiah 66:18, 20-
And here
“And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.”
Revelation 14:9-12 KJV
I don’t exactly get it completely but it seems relevant
ok the heavens being on fire and the elements dissolving with fervent heat...wont that mean the seas will boil up dry and evaporate or everything on earth will be on fire...
unlike Noahs day when everything was flooded...the coming judgment is fire...so I imagine the new earth and the new heaven unlike the first heaven and the first earth, the planet will be very different, possibly all land and only rivers and lakes.
In the New Jerusalem theres a tree with leaves for the healing of nations...why would the nations need to be healed? In rev 16:3-4 EVERYONE dies in the sea which has turned to blood.
unlike Noahs day when everything was flooded...the coming judgment is fire...so I imagine the new earth and the new heaven unlike the first heaven and the first earth, the planet will be very different, possibly all land and only rivers and lakes.
In the New Jerusalem theres a tree with leaves for the healing of nations...why would the nations need to be healed? In rev 16:3-4 EVERYONE dies in the sea which has turned to blood.
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interesting article about a sea that dried up...and one that came back to life
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20180719-how-kazakhstan-brought-the-aral-sea-back-to-life
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20180719-how-kazakhstan-brought-the-aral-sea-back-to-life
I wonder if it becomes this waters ?
“And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever. And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.”
Revelation 22:1-6 KJV
Which is rooted here in prophecy and spills out creating a sea ?
“Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar.
Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.
And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.
And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.”
Ezekiel 47:1, 8-9, 12
“And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever. And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.”
Revelation 22:1-6 KJV
Which is rooted here in prophecy and spills out creating a sea ?
“Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar.
Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.
And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.
And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.”
Ezekiel 47:1, 8-9, 12
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The world is definitely prophesied to be judged through fire this time...so it's possible the water we see could evaporate.
But another possibility is the world returns back to the way it was prior to the flood. There are currently many underwater rivers - massive, massive rivers plunging miles - that are covered by today's oceans. These rivers appear to connect to each other and flow around the planet.
It's plausible these are the very same rivers spoken about in Genesis.
Genesis 2:10-14
10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
The following video is from an independent christian research group that explains their theory on the four rivers.
- 19:45 starts the portion about the flood and the rivers.
- 32:41 shows a map of the world's water showing massive oceanic "trenches" (from national geographic).
- Notice at 54:17 the researcher's drawn map shows "dry land" where there's currently water. You have to imagine there was more land than the continents we currently know...
- At 56:30 the speaker illustrates how these rivers exploded with water during the flood to cut through the land like a power washer creating the continents we know today (once waters receded to reveal land again).
I think the see of glass is the same sapphire stone that makes up the Almighty's throne and floor.
Exodus 24:10
And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.
Revelation 15:2
And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God
But another possibility is the world returns back to the way it was prior to the flood. There are currently many underwater rivers - massive, massive rivers plunging miles - that are covered by today's oceans. These rivers appear to connect to each other and flow around the planet.
It's plausible these are the very same rivers spoken about in Genesis.
Genesis 2:10-14
10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
The following video is from an independent christian research group that explains their theory on the four rivers.
- 19:45 starts the portion about the flood and the rivers.
- 32:41 shows a map of the world's water showing massive oceanic "trenches" (from national geographic).
- Notice at 54:17 the researcher's drawn map shows "dry land" where there's currently water. You have to imagine there was more land than the continents we currently know...
- At 56:30 the speaker illustrates how these rivers exploded with water during the flood to cut through the land like a power washer creating the continents we know today (once waters receded to reveal land again).
I think the see of glass is the same sapphire stone that makes up the Almighty's throne and floor.
Exodus 24:10
And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.
Revelation 15:2
And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God
The Sea in the Bible has both literal and symbolic meanings. In Rev 13 v1 John has a vision of a Beast coming out of the Sea
that has seven heads and ten horns. The sea represents the nations of the world from which the Beast emerges. Revelation
is full of symbols and types which can be found in the rest of the Bible. A good knowledge of the Bible and attention to the
context of a verse or passage opens up an individuals understanding and allows the Holy Spirit to teach us. The
Apostles and their converts didnt have a written New Testament to rely on. See Luke 24
that has seven heads and ten horns. The sea represents the nations of the world from which the Beast emerges. Revelation
is full of symbols and types which can be found in the rest of the Bible. A good knowledge of the Bible and attention to the
context of a verse or passage opens up an individuals understanding and allows the Holy Spirit to teach us. The
Apostles and their converts didnt have a written New Testament to rely on. See Luke 24
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