Can one repent at the Judgement or after death?
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There is a passage that tells us what happens after this life. The body returns to the dust from which it sprang, given Adam was made from the dust of the ground.
And the soul returns to God who gave it.
In Revelation we're told that at the second coming death and hades are thrown into the lake of fire.
If death, the second death, because all life experiences a first end, or death, and God throws death and hades into the lake of fire to be destroyed forever, what then happens to the supposed condemned who were supposedly in Hades or Hell?
And how do we consolidate Hell's destination for the unrepentant, when God tells us he predestined everything, and no one comes to Jesus unless God draws them, meaning those not drawn die condemned, with the verse in Ecclesiastes 12:7 ?
Agree. After Jesus was crucified, depending on the translation, we read he went to either paradise or Hell.
1 Peter 3
18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. 19 After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,
And then there is this curious piece. 1 Timothy 4:10 To this end we labor and strive, because we have set our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of everyone, and especially of those who believe.
Could very well be. I'm not tied down to any of the theories.
I love how some people play games and twist the posts of others.
Nowhere in mentioning any theory did I say that Jesus went and Preach the Gospel to ANGELS.
Now that was deceptive and completely uncalled for.
Yeah, that is your assumption.
Here is what scripture actually says without adding any assumptions:
Peter 3:18-22 NIV
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built.
There is no way we can honestly say from reading that he without any doubt went and preached the gospel giving dead sinners a chance to repent and because of that now people could still have a chance after death. Anyway you look at that, it is adding to the scripture.
I'm sure you could see how dangerous it could be to give anyone hope that they could repent after death. That's almost like playing Russian Roulette with God.
Sure, because if it makes no sense you are reading it wrong.
What sense does it make for the rich man to want to warn his loved ones if they all get a second chance?
I'll tell you how much sense that scenario makes: NONE
Sure, because if it makes no sense you are reading it wrong.
What sense does it make for the rich man to want to warn his loved ones if they all get a second chance?
I'll tell you how much sense that scenario makes: NONE
Would the rich man at that point have known about a second chance?Sure, because if it makes no sense you are reading it wrong.
What sense does it make for the rich man to want to warn his loved ones if they all get a second chance?
I'll tell you how much sense that scenario makes: NONE
Or was the rich man one of those to whom Jesus ministered after his crucifixion when he entered Hell.
What does that mean?
Zechariah 9:11
Psalms 16:10
What if the rich man parable wasn't warning of an eternal fate?
What if Jesus was warning the lovers of money , the Pharisees, of their fate?
https://endtimenews.net/lazarus-and-the-rich-man/
If the parable was about eternal loss of the unsaved, there wouldn't be any scripture referring to rescue from Sheol.
You present a logical fallacy that is at odds with the plain teaching of Scripture.
Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some
to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
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1- I didn't engage in name-calling, I called out heresy.
2- Great tribulation exists, but when the word "the" is placed before it,
it becomes unscriptural fiction, just like "the antichrist" and "the rapture".
3- Your original post is an exercise in foolishness.
To pervert Hebrews 9:27 into heresy based on what it doesn't say is irresponsible at best.
You've been pointed to scripture after scripture refuting this nonsense,
yet you and others are apparently clinging to it like stubborn children.
You're not "TheLearner", you're "TheStumblingBlockPlacer", and Satan thanks you.
The literal says, "The ones coming out of the tribulation great." Jesus also called it a time of great tribulation that will be unequaled, inferring that it will be a time of unprecedented tribulation set a part from all others. Therefore "The" as the definite article is setting it a part from any other tribulation.
Don't know why you would say that the antichrist and the gathering of the church are unscriptural, when you can read all about it. I suppose if you close your eyes to it or adopt the teaching of men you can circumvent or distort it.
Regarding the antichrist, though John states that there many with the same spirit, there is one individual who is coming, also referred to as "The Man of Lawlessness" who will come and who will be that ruler over the earth. The beast that comes up out of the Abyss will be his spiritual counterpart.
"Little children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared, whereby we know that it is the last hour."
So, "that antichrist" is referring to a single individual and that there were and are many types of antichrists. However, thee antichrist is still coming. He is also referred to as "The Man of Lawlessness" and will be spiritually empowered by the beast who comes up out of the Abyss. By the way, the "antichrist" is in the singular.
That's true.
And Jesus told Thomas....>"blessed are those who have believed and not seen"..
So, what is the difference?
The difference is......the Apostles walked with Jesus, before the Cross.
After the Cross, everyone has to believe, based on the Cross and the Blood Atonement, and the resurrection.
That's you.
I have no idea what you are trying to say.
There is only 1 Judgement for the Christ Rejector., and that is Revelation 20:11
Thomas saw Jesus than believe, he still physically alive, not die see Jesus than believe
Do you feel that being a Jehovah's Witness is to "be called a name"?
Thats very odd.
ITs actually to be defined as your denomination.
think on that.