Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

Hi OldSage,

I've posted this before many times, which is one of the God-given clues found within Revelation.

Revelation chapters 1 thru 3 = Ekklesia translated as Church found 19 times. (The word 'hagios' translated as 'Saints' is absent from those same chapters

Revelation chapter 4 onward = No ekklesia/Church, but only the word hagios/Saints

Throughout chapters 1 thru 3 the word 'ekklesia/church' appears 19 times and then is never used again, until Rev.22:16 in the epilog. As some may believe, this is not a coincident, nor did the Spirit just get tired of using the word 'church.' It was done purposely to alert those searching out the book of Revelation, to show that the church is no longer on the earth and that by drawing a division between 'Church' and 'Saints.'

In Revelation 1:19 John is told to write:

What you have seen = Everything written from Revelation 1:1 to 1:19

What is Now = Represented by the letters to the church, which is also representing the entire church period

What will take place later = Everything that happens after the "what is now," i.e. what happens after the church period

In Daniel 9:24, God made a decree upon Israel for seventy seven year periods. Sixty nine of those seven year periods were fulfilled when Messiah was crucified. There still remains one seven year period to be fulfilled.

After Christ was crucified, God put a pause on that last seven years of dealing with Israel and began to build His church. Once the church has been completed, according to the Lord's promise, He will descend from heaven and raise the dead and change the living believers and then take us back to the Father's house to those places that He prepared for us. Currently, we are living in the "what is now" portion of what John was told to write. Once the church has been gathered the "what is now" portion will end and the "what must take place later" will begin, with God picking up right were He left off in fulfillment of that last seven years with Israel.

Revelation 4:1 is also another clue hidden right out in the open. John hears the same voice that sounded like a trumpet in Rev.1:10 and that same voice like a trumpet says to him "come up here and I will show you what must take place after this," which is synonymous with "what will take place later." This is what I call a prophetic allusion to where the church is gathered, which again is supported by the fact that the word 'church' never appears in print from that time forward, demonstrating that the church is gone.

Revelation 7:9-17 introduces the reader to a new group, which is a vision of those white robed saints which is too large to count from every nation, tribe, people and language. These are those who become believers after the church has been gathered and during the time of God's wrath. The reason that they will be on the earth during that time, is because they will not have been believers prior to the gathering. I also believe that they will be made up of those who will have received Christ earlier, but will have wandered away and gone back into the world willfully living according to the sinful nature. Once they see that the church has been taken, they will realize what has happened and will rededicate themselves to Christ knowing that they have now entered into the period of God's wrath. It is this group, along with Israel who will be on the earth during the tribulation period.

If you are currently in Christ and are keeping watch, being faithful, then you belong to the church and will be gathered with the church when the Lord comes. Those who do not believe, but believe after the fact, they will be the saints of the tribulation period.

Sorry about being long winded. Just wanted to splain a few things.

In his vision, John saw a double-edged sword coming out of the Lord's mouth so that He would write it down as he saw it. When we read it, we understand that it is meant to figurate representing the spoken word of God. Therefore, when the Lord kills the wicked it will not be with a literal double-edged sword proceeding from His mouth, but He will speak His word and the they will simply all fall down dead.

which is what i implied to you the first time, several day ago, i said to you a rapture as all ready took place where by spirits have been taken up to heaven

I asked you this.


@Ahwatukee Thankyou once again for explaining to me . Could you help me out with this scripture, as i read when i was doing a study of the rapture a long time ago. a quote said the rapture started 2000 years ago, left me some what confused. it was based on this scripture,
Mathew 27:51-52

51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. thanks god bless you.

Your responce was this.
So here you made no mention of there spirits being taken up to heaven ? why was that, ?.

As you know Jesus said you cant enter heaven unless ye be born again which is what i thought you meant by them receiving the first fruits lol being raised to receive the spirit. you left an impression in my mind that didn't happen and i thought well where they zombies lol.

So any way the point is that was a rapture, as you put it they went to heaven. its a much nicer rapture than the one to come, the next rapture will be nice but what follows will not. its hardly the character Of Jesus to be honest. Jesus died for all our sins and here we Jesus returning to kill people for all there sins.

so now where getting some where lol. Your quote is there will be Gods children present during tribulation (the wrath) which is what i asked you to explain several days ago lol, exactly who those Gods children are ?. so if there not the church (christians who have been born again then they must be the 12 tribes of isreal) finaly lol unless your going to tell me im wrong again.

The point i made was there still Gods children then apart of the wrath.

No it's good. Not saying I agree with it all, but I understand your views.
Christ is described as holy and as an overcomer;
if the two are linked, then surely once an individual in a Church
overcomes, s/he would too be holy, hagios, a Saint.....?

This is the part of Judgement i do not understand, for the simple reason Jesus died for all our sins, but here we see Jesus returning to kill people for all there sins.

Do you understand This Judgement because i dont. ? where told as believers to forgive those who sin against us.
Are we told they must repent and ask for forgiveness first befor we should forgive people who sin against us in the lords prayer,

So if some one sins against me should i only forgive them only if they ask me to forgive them ?.

if a person does not ask me to forgive them when they sin against me, do i not forgive them ?.
because Surely forgiveness from the holy spirit is an eternal state of mind which keeps the church in his Kingdom. surely forgiveness is a free Gift, an unmerited favour ?

This is the part of Judgement i do not understand, for the simple reason Jesus died for all our sins, but here we see Jesus returning to kill people for all there sins.

Do you understand This Judgement because i dont. ? where told as believers to forgive those who sin against us.
Are we told they must repent and ask for forgiveness first before we should forgive people who sin against us in the lords prayer.
So if some one sins against me should i only forgive them only if they ask me to forgive them ?.

if a person does not ask me to forgive them when they sin against me, do i not forgive them ?.
because Surely forgiveness from the holy spirit is an eternal state of mind which keeps the church in his Kingdom. surely forgiveness is a free Gift, an unmerited favor ?

We have to forgive people sin against us, because God will take care his punishment, but God must just and punish the sinner unless we ask forgiveness and repent, without punishment the worl

Hello again, de-emerald!

I'm pretty sure that I had told you about that group too large to count introduced in Revelation 7:9-17 which are the saints who will come out of the great tribulation, who will become believers after the church has been gathered and during the time of God's wrath. To reiterate, these are those who will become believers after the church has been removed from the earth, many of which will be killed because they will keep the testimony of Christ and the word of God and will not worship the beast, his image nor receive his mark.

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After this I looked and saw a multitude too large to count, from every nation and tribe and people and tongue, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and holding palm branches in their hands"

"Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes,” he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?”

“Sir,” I answered, “you know.”

So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
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Below is a list of the righteous who will be on the earth during the tribulation period:

* The Nation Israel (They will come to believe in Jesus as their Messiah sometime during the last 3 1/2 years)

* The 144,000 Israelites who will believe in Christ (will be on the earth during the first 3 1/2 years then raptured)

* The two witnesses (will be on earth during the first 3 1/2 years of that seven year period then resurrected and caught up)

* Great tribulation Saints (Gentiles from every nation, people, tribe and language)

I hope that this clarifies things

Hello again, de-emerald!


* The Nation Israel (They will come to believe in Jesus as their Messiah sometime during the last 3 1/2 years)

Lol thanks for all your clarity, so thats the tribulation sorted out, what's your view on the 1000 year reign of Christ taking so long before the final Judgement, the great white throne ?. that's along time 1000 years.

so obviously theese are the only people who make it through the tribuation, and are the only people to remain on earth during 1000 year reign of christ am i right ?

Questions about these people.

1 why are they not raptured at the end of tribulation.

2 why does Jesus kill some of these people in his 1000 year reign ? if they came to believe in Jesus during tribulation ?.

Yes, those on the earth during the millennial kingdom will be:

* The Nation Israel

* The 144,000 (Only the first half of the 3 1/2 years)

* The Tribulation Saints (Those who become believers after the church is gathered and during the time of God's wrath)

* The wicked (Killed by the Lord when He returns to the earth to end the age)

It will be Israel and the Saints who make it alive through the tribulation who will repopulate the earth during the millennial kingdom.



Though the answer to this is not given or even mentioned, just using my own reasoning, If they were all raptured there would be no one on the earth to repopulate it and therefore there would be no people to inhabit the millennial kingdom.



You have to remember that, the saints who will have made it alive through the tribulation period will have been begetting children and those children will be having children and so on and so on. Therefore, those who rebel may not necessarily be those who originally survived the tribulation, but will most likely be their offspring through many generations. One might ask, "They of the millennial kingdom knowing about God's wrath during the tribulation period a thousand years earlier, should keep them from making the same mistake of rebelling against God." I think that this is exactly what God is proving with the thousand years in that, even after a thousand years of peace, with Satan unable to deceive mankind, mankind still rebels against God.

Our past history demonstrates this: God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities because of their going after strange flesh, men lusting after other men and even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. So God rained fire and sulfur down upon them because of their wickedness. Yet, here we are today with the LGBTQ movement with their rainbow parades and where judge's have ruled in favor of same-sex marriages, etc. My point being that, what God did to Sodom and Gomorrah for their actions and as a future warning to those who would commit the same sin, is not even considered today. They're all running head-long into destruction!

It will be the same at the end of the millennial kingdom. They will have knowledge of God's wrath that will have taken place during the tribulation a thousand years earlier because of sin and rebelling against God, but it will obviously make no difference to them because they rebel against God anyway.

When you have some actual to add to the discussion let me know

I just did what you yourself did My friend
Prettiness has nothing to do with Dan 9 stick to the topic

This should say pre-trib not prettiness. Hard to see on this small phone. Spell check tackled Me hard! Lol

'pre-trib' has everything to do with Daniel 9 - in the mind of a pretribber.

There would be no 'pre-trib' without the misinterpretation of this passage to conclude 7-year trib, Antichrist, etc.

I do have some actual [something] to add - and, have added it - and, you keep ignoring it...?

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There is no 7 year trib. The trib is after the abomination of desolation not before,

and Daniel 9 is Daniel 9. If your hatred of pretrib is why you refuse to interpret Dan 9 properly, that’s sad. And explains why you interpret to fit your belief not according to the word

And explains why you interpret to fit your belief not according to the word

This is a discussion forum, it is illegal to promote your stuff in this discussion forum number 1. And number 2 if you want to talk, talk to me. If you don’t want to discuss. Well then I have better things to do that to try to discuss with someone who has no desire to discuss