Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

It should be completely obvious to all who read Daniel 9:24-27 that the prophecy HAS NOT BEEN FULFILLED. Nothing that is stated in verse 24 has been literally fulfilled. Particularly "everlasting righteousness" on earth.

The crucifixion of Christ mentioned in verse 26 was the last event to be fulfilled. And that covered 483 years out of 490. Therefore the only logical conclusion is that the last 7 years of that prophecy are in the future.

So?

I have studied it for over 4 decades.

If you really believe that "longer study" is "more right", then I must be right - right?

Otherwise, why do you bother to say it?

I am not impressed in the slightest...

I grew up with dispensationalist pre-trib rapture 7-year trib broken 70 weeks of Daniel etc. teachings.

But then I discovered the truth.

There is a multitude of people who have been unknowingly deceived and are in severe error. (pretribbers)

For as long as they hang-on-tightly to their error - they will remain in error - until Judgment Day - when they will finally know the truth.

Until then - or until they decide to allow the Word to be the teacher - with them as the student - they will just continue to lead others astray...

"Hey - it's your Judgment Day!"

SMH

No, brother - it is painfully obvious, in the context of the chapter, that it has been 100% fulfilled.

Everything in verse 24 has been fulfilled. You are not properly understanding what it is talking about.

Christ was crucified in the middle of the 70th week - which verse 26a and 27b (2nd 'he' part) are both referring to directly.

Explanation given here:

http://mywebsite.us/BibleStudy/Seventy_Weeks.html

Good Day, de-emerald!

Those present on the earth during the time of the tribulation is not referring to the church, but to those who will become believers after the church has been gathered and during the time of God's wrath, which were introduced in Revelation 7:9-17. This group is not the church.

The Lord ruling with an 'iron scepter' and the 'double-edge sword' are two different things.

The double-edged sword is mentioned several times in Revelation.

"To the angel of the church in Pergamum write: 'These are the words of him who has the sharp, double-edged sword.'" - Rev.2:12

"Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth." - Rev.2:15

"In his right hand he held seven stars, and coming out of his mouth was a sharp, double-edged sword." - Rev.1:16

"And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with an iron scepter." - Rev.19:15

"And the rest were killed with the sword that proceeded from the mouth of the One seated on the horse." - Rev.19:21

The sharp double-edged sword proceeding from the Lord's mouth, is figurative for the word of God:

"He made My mouth like a sharp sword" - Isaiah 49:2

"Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God."

"For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. - Heb.4:12

In his vision, John saw a double-edged sword coming out of the Lord's mouth so that He would write it down as he saw it. When we read it, we understand that it is meant to figurate representing the spoken word of God. Therefore, when the Lord kills the wicked it will not be with a literal double-edged sword proceeding from His mouth, but He will speak His word and the they will simply all fall down dead.

No, they resurrected as the same people they were. They weren't zombies . But they were resurrected in their mortal bodies and died again. Now their spirits are with Christ in heaven and are awaiting the their resurrection where they will receive their immortal and glorified bodies like the Lord's.

I think that you have misunderstood something here. There will be God's children present on the earth during the 7 year tribulation. Some will die during the first 3 1/2 years, which are those seen under the altar in heaven at the opening of the 5th seal. And there will be those saints during the great tribulation, which is the last 3 1/2 years, many of which will be killed. It is just the church that will not be on the earth during the 7 year tribulation period, because we will be watching and anticipating the Lord's appearing to gather us, which is what we should all be doing until He appears, as we speed His coming.

I just did what you yourself did My friend
Prettiness has nothing to do with Dan 9 stick to the topic

Yeah. No proof just baseless accusation and threat

When you have some actual to add to the discussion let me know

So are these "spirit" harps and "spirit" gold held by "spirit" elders?
Rev 5 Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people.

So how does anyone know if they are "a child of God" or a "Church member"?

This should say pre-trib not prettiness. Hard to see on this small phone. Spell check tackled Me hard! Lol

That's not who the Matt27 ppl are speaking about who are in "the things WHICH ARE" section of Rev (who Ahwatukee was referring to); the NOW section;

The Rev5:9 "24 elders" are those in the "IN QUICKNESS" time period, 1:1 / 1:19c / 4:1 (4:1 thru Rev19=7-yr Trib), "future" section of Rev (but IN Heaven, not on the earth), that is, this scene FOLLOWS "our Rapture" event... so the "24 elders" already have their glorified bodies in that context that you're pointing out.

What am I trying to spin honestly here?
Daniel said the Abomination of Desolation was the end to Daily Sacrifice.
Didn't that happen?
Does the Jews have a Temple this very day to perform Daily Sacrifice.
NOWHERE does Daniel say the AoD is a person!


And why would you trust someone who does not completely understand the Hebrew Language.
Everyone knows that LINEAR PARALLELS are solely based upon personal opinion which is why from LINEAR to LINEAR they don't match up [Personal opinion to personal opinion NEVER matches up].

You found on that matches your personal opinion. You Cherry Picked based upon matching you're own views.

Where does Dan12:11 say that? (the "AOD [singular / singular]" that Jesus was pointing back to in Matt24:15)
I'm not sure it says that, as you suggest.



[Dan9:27b says "he shall cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease"... if that's what you're referring to, which is indeed at the mid-point of the "7-yrs"]

Daniel 9:27 KJV

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.



This is the 7 years tribulation where the 12 tribes of Israel will be judged. They will get their last chance because God said He will never break His covenant with His chosen people.

Matthew 19:28 KJV

And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Hi OldSage,

I've posted this before many times, which is one of the God-given clues found within Revelation.

Revelation chapters 1 thru 3 = Ekklesia translated as Church found 19 times. (The word 'hagios' translated as 'Saints' is absent from those same chapters

Revelation chapter 4 onward = No ekklesia/Church, but only the word hagios/Saints

Throughout chapters 1 thru 3 the word 'ekklesia/church' appears 19 times and then is never used again, until Rev.22:16 in the epilog. As some may believe, this is not a coincident, nor did the Spirit just get tired of using the word 'church.' It was done purposely to alert those searching out the book of Revelation, to show that the church is no longer on the earth and that by drawing a division between 'Church' and 'Saints.'

In Revelation 1:19 John is told to write:

What you have seen = Everything written from Revelation 1:1 to 1:19

What is Now = Represented by the letters to the church, which is also representing the entire church period

What will take place later = Everything that happens after the "what is now," i.e. what happens after the church period

In Daniel 9:24, God made a decree upon Israel for seventy seven year periods. Sixty nine of those seven year periods were fulfilled when Messiah was crucified. There still remains one seven year period to be fulfilled.

After Christ was crucified, God put a pause on that last seven years of dealing with Israel and began to build His church. Once the church has been completed, according to the Lord's promise, He will descend from heaven and raise the dead and change the living believers and then take us back to the Father's house to those places that He prepared for us. Currently, we are living in the "what is now" portion of what John was told to write. Once the church has been gathered the "what is now" portion will end and the "what must take place later" will begin, with God picking up right were He left off in fulfillment of that last seven years with Israel.

Revelation 4:1 is also another clue hidden right out in the open. John hears the same voice that sounded like a trumpet in Rev.1:10 and that same voice like a trumpet says to him "come up here and I will show you what must take place after this," which is synonymous with "what will take place later." This is what I call a prophetic allusion to where the church is gathered, which again is supported by the fact that the word 'church' never appears in print from that time forward, demonstrating that the church is gone.

Revelation 7:9-17 introduces the reader to a new group, which is a vision of those white robed saints which is too large to count from every nation, tribe, people and language. These are those who become believers after the church has been gathered and during the time of God's wrath. The reason that they will be on the earth during that time, is because they will not have been believers prior to the gathering. I also believe that they will be made up of those who will have received Christ earlier, but will have wandered away and gone back into the world willfully living according to the sinful nature. Once they see that the church has been taken, they will realize what has happened and will rededicate themselves to Christ knowing that they have now entered into the period of God's wrath. It is this group, along with Israel who will be on the earth during the tribulation period.

If you are currently in Christ and are keeping watch, being faithful, then you belong to the church and will be gathered with the church when the Lord comes. Those who do not believe, but believe after the fact, they will be the saints of the tribulation period.

Sorry about being long winded. Just wanted to splain a few things.

No it did Not. The temple was destroyed it was not Made unclean by an idol or unclean thing

If there is no temple there can be no AOD

The AOD is nit a person. It is obvious you did Not read the Hebrew definition of abomination. It was never a person.

[ Yeah. These people have no understanding of Hebrew they just made it up. If this is all you have you just further push me away fro having any chance of agreeing with you. It’s called your making things up to Take away from the real issue

I found every Hebrew English dictionary/lexicon I could Find. And used what they all said to get my belief.
I did Not Look for a commentary that would agree with me
you’re saying all these language books are wrong. Whatever.

which is what i implied to you the first time, several day ago, i said to you a rapture as all ready took place where by spirits have been taken up to heaven

I asked you this.


@Ahwatukee Thankyou once again for explaining to me . Could you help me out with this scripture, as i read when i was doing a study of the rapture a long time ago. a quote said the rapture started 2000 years ago, left me some what confused. it was based on this scripture,
mathew 27:51-52
51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. thanks god bless you.

Your responce was this.
So here you made no mention of there spirits being taken upto heaven ? why was that, ?.

As you know Jesus said you cant enter heaven unless ye be born again which is what i thought you ment by them recieving the first fruits lol being raised to recieve the spirit. you left an impression in my mind that didnt happen and i thought well where they zombies lol.

So any way the point is that was a rapture, as you put it they went to heaven. its a much nicer rapture than the one to come, the next rapture will be nice but what follows will not. its hardly the character Of Jesus to be honest. Jesus died for all our sins and here we Jesus returning to kill people for all there sins.[/QUOTE]

11 And from the time the daily sacrifice was removed and the silent abomination placed, is one thousand, two hundred, and ninety.
יאוּמֵעֵת֙ הוּסַ֣ר הַתָּמִ֔יד וְלָתֵ֖ת שִׁקּ֣וּץ שֹׁמֵ֑ם יָמִ֕ים אֶ֖לֶף מָאתַ֥יִם וְתִשְׁעִֽים:

From the time Daily Sacrifice was removed [ENDED] silent Abomination is placed!

so now where getting some where lol. Your quote is there will be Gods children present during tribulation (the wrath) which is what i asked you to explain several days ago lol, exactly who those Gods children are ?. so if there not the church (christians who have been born again then they must be the 12 tribes of isreal) finaly lol unless your going to tell me im wrong again.

The point i made was there still Gods children then apart of the wrath.