Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

Unlike some of the other posters, I do not see "Noah & crew" as a picture of those being "RAPTURED" (rather, of those coming through the Trib yrs: comp. Dan2:35, Gen9:1, Matt24:37-41/Lk17:24-37)... Instead, I see "ENOCH" (ONE MAN) as a type/picture of "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" (ONE BODY) being kept wholly outside of the time-period of the "flood judgment" on the earth

Unlike some of the other posters, I do not see "Noah & crew" as a picture of those being "RAPTURED" (rather, of those coming through the Trib yrs: comp. Dan2:35, Gen9:1, Matt24:37-41/Lk17:24-37)... Instead, I see "ENOCH" (ONE MAN) as a type/picture of "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" (ONE BODY) being kept wholly outside of the time-period of the "flood judgment" unfolding upon the earth

11 And from the time the daily sacrifice was removed and the silent abomination placed, is one thousand, two hundred, and ninety.
יאוּמֵעֵת֙ הוּסַ֣ר הַתָּמִ֔יד וְלָתֵ֖ת שִׁקּ֣וּץ שֹׁמֵ֑ם יָמִ֕ים אֶ֖לֶף מָאתַ֥יִם וְתִשְׁעִֽים:

No, my point was Noah still went through the tragedy of the Flood.

But Enoch is like many we read who show up on Earth and then give away to next person in line God uses. His Ascension had nothing to do with being saved from a Flood or anything else.

Noah was safe and sound within the Ark, while the whole world was destroyed. Noah's Ark is a type of Christ. Those who are "in Christ" are not subject to God's judgments. There are also other reasons why the saints will not be on earth during the Tribulation and Great Tribulation.

Well, "types" are meant to be exact portrayals in every detail.

But where it says "as the days of Noah were, SO SHALL ALSO the coming of the Son of man be," as I've stated in many past posts, ALL "Son of man coming / cometh / shall come / etc" verses / passages are set in the context of His Second Coming TO THE EARTH (NOT "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]")

Enoch would never have been alive on Earth for it.

I think it might be more understanding if I create a chronological order of events for you.


The gathering of the church takes place, removing believers within the church from the earth prior to God's wrath

Antichrist establishes a seven year covenant with Israel and others which initiates the seven years

God's wrath will begin and continue throughout the entire seven years via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments

* In the middle of the seven years the Antichrist/beast stops Israel's sacrifices and offerings and sets up the abomination and proclaims to be God, sitting in the temple of God.

* At the end of the seven years, after the 7th bowl judgment, the Lord returns to the earth to end the age and the church with Him

* The beast and the false prophet are captured and cast alive in the lake of fire

* All of the wicked are killed by the Lord

* Satan is seized by and angel having the key to the Abyss and is thrown in and it sealed over him so that he cannot deceive the nations during the thousand years

* The great tribulation saints who died during the seven years are resurrected immortal and glorified and rule with Christ during the thousand years

* Satan is released at the end of the thousand years deceiving Gog and Magog whom God rains fire down upon when they surround Jerusalem

* Satan is thrown into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown a thousand years earlier

* Great White Throne judgment takes place of all the unrighteous dead throughout all of history. Death and Hades are cast into the lake of fire, as well as anyone not found written the book of life. This current heaven and earth are destroyed.

* New heaven, New Earth with the New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God

* Eternal state -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->


I hope this helps for better understanding.

That's exactly my point.





[...and the point of Rev3:10 actually, "Because you have kept 'the WORD of the patient-endurance OF ME', I also will keep you out-of THE HOUR OF the trial that is mello/sure to COME UPON..." (that is, WHOLLY OUT-OF the "TIME-PERIOD" associated with JUDGMENTS unfolding upon the earth); you could call the "ENOCH" situation, something like an exaggerated point, to really drill home the point = ) ]

Your point is pure baloney to think Enoch would have lived to be 1800 years old on Earth!

You missed my point apparently.

"ENOCH" (ONE MAN) was KEPT ENTIRELY OUT-OF the time-period concerning "JUDGMENT unfolding upon the earth"

NOAH literally went through this TRIBULATION in every sense one can imagine!

I can see that your now missing parts out like Jesus ruling with a sword, its ok i can also see where youve copy and pasted and cut your orignal text to leave key parts out as ive just had to edit your wording above,

Its ok i inderstand the order now and my memory is refreshed. My mind is made up that Gods children are present, during all the periods youve mentioned. I find it Odd that Jesus would reign on earth for a thousand years with a sword, you no doubt call the word of God.
And you will say The answer is its not a real sword is false to me. and your answer will be the word of God is like a double edged sword.

It also odd that Jesus would reign for a thousand years whilst satan is siezed, only to let satan loose again. theres something wrong and missing there to support your claim of no further wrath in the 1000 reign.

anyhow thanks for your help in trying to help me understand. but if im going to be honest, im never going to understand endtime Judgement as written in our bible. im kinda on the fence. im like the piggy in middle listening to both sides of the argument. Ive researched it befor and never understood then. as much as now. i personaly feal all tho people claim they understand it and have worked it all out, i really think they havent and no living person has and will.

Not true! I leave parts out that are not pertinent to what I'm posting for space sake. And there's nothing wrong with copying and pasting scripture. In fact they are quotes of the literal scripture. I'm not trying to dupe anyone here and never have. I have always presented the truth. I think that what is happening is that you are listening to the other out there are being turned away from the truth. All I can do is present the truth. If you reject it, then it is on you, not me. I don't teach or post anything that I haven't already studied to death and have come to a sound conclusion.



This requires study to know that when Jesus returns to the earth, the angels will gather both the wicked and the righteous from the nations. The following is the meaning of "ruling with an iron scepter" over the righteous:

Strong's Concordance
poimainó: to act as a shepherd
Original Word: ποιμαίνω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: poimainó
Phonetic Spelling: (poy-mah'-ee-no)
Definition: to act as a shepherd
Usage: I shepherd, tend, herd; hence: I rule, govern.

On the other hand, the following is what will happen to the wicked from the nations of the world:

"And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations

The sharp sword that proceeds from the Lord's mouth is figurative referring to the spoken word of God. No individual who worships the beast, his image and receives his mark, will enter into the millennial kingdom.



You don't remember information that I have provided. I never said that there was no other wrath after the tribulation period. I said that the tribulation period was a specific time of God's wrath that has been prophesied of for at least 3000 years, referred to as the day of the Lord. It is obviously wrath when God rains fire down on that group that surround Jerusalem. But it is not the time of wrath that I have been speaking about. I have been focused in on God's coming wrath which is the seals, trumpet and bowl judgments which will cover a seven year time period. When God rains fire down upon that group at the end of the thousand years, it will just be a quick event and over with and then on to the great white throne judgment. Do you see the difference between those events?



Well, I wouldn't be teaching on any of these topics if I wasn't sure about what I am talking about. I guess all of the naysayers will have to find out the order of events by seeing them take place.

That's what I said.


[re-read my post?? "Noah & crew" were protected THROUGH it, and this is PARALLEL to Dan2:35c / Matt24:36-42 / Gen9:1.... "[actively] FILL/FILLED the [whole] EARTH" (in their mortal bodies, capable of reproducing / bearing children)--i.e the EARTHLY MK age]

What fascinates me about Noah having to go through the entire Tribulation of the Flood with the knowledge that [ALL] humanity would be lost and his seed would replenish the Earth, is that Noah is called 9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. [AND] God still made him go through the Tribulation.

How many [JUST People and PERFECT for our generation People are there today walking with God]?
Participating just in this thread alone are at least 20 people who would fit that bill under the Blood of Christ and Saved by the Grace of God. And we're still not up to scale as who Noah was in his walk with God.

If God made a better person than all of us go through the Tribulation of his day, who do we think we are exempt from our Tribulation?

Just fascinating that some believe that!

That's what I said.


[re-read my post?? "Noah & crew" were protected THROUGH it, and this is PARALLEL to Dan2:35c / Matt24:36-42 / Gen9:1.... "[actively] FILL/FILLED the [whole] EARTH" (in their mortal bodies, capable of reproducing / bearing children)--i.e the EARTHLY MK age]