Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

de-emerald said:
so no one recieves the first fruits untill there ressurected in end times ?. exactly what was the reason the ot saints where resurected from the grave only to be put back to sleep. ? what was the reason for it. did they recieve anything ?.

Thats just no answer at all, that it was just a sign. it really is.

Its called great tribulation because all life on this world will end and this world will die. . as global warming reaches higher levels, so will deadly plagues. as Jesus said theese things must come to pass and he will know exactly how long the earth has left.

as the heat of global warming reaches alarming levels, the chemical balance of the whole world will be greatly effected, there will be death every where and plagues and disease that come from the dead bodies, famine and disease lack of food on land will get worse and worse over time as dry land from global warming will increase untill the earth gets so hot. our plannet just becomes another mars. God knows when that time will be. and make his final Judgements on us all.

denomic beings have been tormenting people for thousands of years. and tormenting christians to. thats not avalid argument sorry. are you going to tell me that Gods children wont be present in tribulation, because of the damage tormenting demons can do ?

Honestly you really are taking the wrong path. demons and satan have twisted the word of God in many many peoples minds and set them selfs up in this world as Gods, been going on for the last 6500 years.

If you follow the way Daniel is written, its clear the he there is not the messiah, because the same he is the one who brings the abomination of desolation:

"He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’" [This HE here is not Jesus, because look at the following sentences;]

In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering.
And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.”

Open mind? Hardly. More appropriately a discerning mind.

They must not understand that to a Jew in those days an abomination of desolation was a horrific event. That could cause sacrifice to cease

Agree. Both the "captivity of the nation" and "desolation's of Jerusalem" were 70 years exactly. We can count this first down to the year. However the desolations of Jerusalem can be calculated to the precise day. In Ezek 24:1,2 God gives the starting date. Haggai 2:10,18 God gives the end date.

It is succinct Scriptural prophetic realizations like this that utterly obliterate the pretensions of the allegorists. They are definitely barking up the wrong tree.......

In order to believe an untruth, one, must keep adding points to their argument that if they thought it through would have just not used for their proofs.

I am using Scripture from Daniel to Revelation to Matthew 24 to Thessalonians in a Parallel manner, so I just allow the Bible to speak for itself.

But notice [since you've caught it and brought it up], a False Doctrine will include many things that don't relate to their current Scripture proofs. And like you have mentioned, Demons have been attacking humanity every day since the fall of Satan upon this Earth. But to pad a False Doctrine, they will sneak that in like it will [ONLY HAPPEN] during a specific period of time.

It really is very comical to see what add-ons are attached to a [STRUGGLING] Myth fighting for air!

Let's keep it simple here so there is no confusion.
If Daily Sacrifice is held at the Temple of God, and you destroy the Temple, doesn't Daily Sacrifice stop since you held it at the Temple but the Temple no longer exists?

They could plainly see that when their Temple was destroyed.

It was no mystery to them at all!

The Beautiful Connection Christ makes to the Abomination of Desolation [Ending of Daily Sacrifice] from Daniel's Prophecy (in Matthew 24), is that Christ begins with the TEMPLE being destroyed.

A DESTROYED Temple = No Daily Sacrifice = Abomination of Desolation

Christ gave the answer when He begins with The Temple will be DESTROYED. Then He explains what that ultimately means [AoD]!

Don't know why people claim to take the Word of God at face value and then spend years twisting it?

Good day, OldSage,

I agree that 'wrath' and 'tribulation' from God have taken place in the past. Even now Paul says that there is a wrath from God against all wickedness and godlessness being revealed, where God is giving them over to the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. I believe that this is the reason for the increase of homosexuality, lesbianism and the LGBTQ movement in the world and the push to legalize it. And of course we have God's wrath resulting in the flood and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. But this time of tribulation that will take place after the church has been gathered will be unprecedented with the plagues of wrath being very sever and many of them unheard of. It is a specific time of wrath that has been prophesied for about 3000 year to take place in conjunction with the end of the age, also know in part as 'The Day of the Lord," with the last 3 1/2 years being Tribulation, the great one. As I said, this coming time period of God's wrath will be nothing like the world has every seen and never equaled again.

God never gathered His Believers before any other tragedy. He warned them.
Lot go and don't look back.
Noah build an Ark.
Judeans in 70 A.D. go hide in the hills.

But suddenly God is now going to remove his followers from a 175 year old Doctrine that the Christ, the Apostles, the Church Fathers [Never] taught?

The COOLAIDE must be good you all are drinking to think God is going to do something He NEVER did before.

So much for God being the [SAME] yesterday, today, and forever!

Your point is well-made. Although in Romans 1 Paul is talking in the past tense.
He is talking about what Israel did immediately on leaving Egypt, which incurred God's
wrath at the time, extreme wrath, as you can imagine, which was only appeased by the urgent ministrations and mediation of Aaron, Moses and the Levites.

His wrath was so intense at that point that he intended to obliterate the whole of Israel as I remember it.
In essence he then deferred his wrath on Israel - and put in place a mediator, the Law.
Eventually he came full circle; those who had not obeyed Moses and who had not accepted the mediation of
the Law leading to Christ, placed themselves back at square 1, viz, under the full wrath of God which was no longer deferred and which was duly completed in AD 67-73.

The fact that the Church is going full rainbow is just history repeating itself.

When I say "Tribulation Period" I am speaking specifically about God's wrath that is about to take place via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments which will take place during that entire seven year period leading up to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age. There will be nothing to equal the plagues of wrath during that time period.

Regarding the period of world-wide peace, I was referring to the millennial kingdom. However, at then of that thousand years after Gog and Magog surround Jerusalem, God will rain fire down upon them. That's event does not take place within the seven year, but at the end of the thousand years.

Of course it will be God's wrath when He rains fire down upon them, but it is not the same as the tribulation that will take place a thousand years prior. During the coming tribulation period, God's wrath will be on-going throughout that entire seven years leading up to Christ's return to the earth. In opposition, God's wrath where He rains fire down upon them at the end of the thousand years will be quick and concise!

I think it might be more understanding if I create a chronological order of events for you.


* You are here!

* The gathering of the church takes place, removing believers within the church from the earth prior to God's wrath

* Antichrist establishes a seven year covenant with Israel and others which initiates the seven years

* God's wrath will begin and continue throughout the entire seven years via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments

* In the middle of the seven years the Antichrist/beast stops Israel's sacrifices and offerings and sets up the abomination and proclaims to be God, sitting in the temple of God.

* At the end of the seven years, after the 7th bowl judgment, the Lord returns to the earth to end the age and the church with Him

* The beast and the false prophet are captured and cast alive in the lake of fire

* All of the wicked are killed by the Lord

* Satan is seized by and angel having the key to the Abyss and is thrown in and it sealed over him so that he cannot deceive the nations during the thousand years

* The great tribulation saints who died during the seven years are resurrected immortal and glorified and rule with Christ during the thousand years

* Satan is released at the end of the thousand years deceiving Gog and Magog whom God rains fire down upon when they surround Jerusalem

* Satan is thrown into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown a thousand years earlier

* Great White Throne judgment takes place of all the unrighteous dead throughout all of history. Death and Hades are cast into the lake of fire, as well as anyone not found written the book of life. This current heaven and earth are destroyed.

* New heaven, New Earth with the New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God

* Eternal state -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->


I hope this helps for better understanding.

Exactly my point! Just as the earthquake, the rocks splitting and the curtain in temple torn in two was a sign to cause the Centurion to say, "Truly this was the Son of God!" So it was also a sign when all of those who resurrected went back into the city where they were seen by the people.

Let’s keep it simple
an abomination of desolation is an idle placed in a holy place rendering it unclean. Which causes sacrifice and burnt offering time cease
if God wanted us to Think it was the temple being destroyed and that was the cause of sacrifice ceasing he would have said so
it’s nit rocket science. It’s proper interpretation of what the term means

11 And from the time the daily sacrifice was removed and the silent abomination placed, is one thousand, two hundred, and ninety.
יאוּמֵעֵת֙ הוּסַ֣ר הַתָּמִ֔יד וְלָתֵ֖ת שִׁקּ֣וּץ שֹׁמֵ֑ם יָמִ֕ים אֶ֖לֶף מָאתַ֥יִם וְתִשְׁעִֽים:

Shiqquts is used in the following ways:

1. In Daniel's prophecies in Daniel 11:31 (cf. 12:11), it is generally interpreted as referring to the fearful calamities that were to fall on the Jews in the time of Antiochus IV Epiphanes, saying "And they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate." Jerome, and most of the Christian fathers, suppose that the reference is to Antiochus as the type of Antichrist, and that the description passes from the type to the antitype. Idolatry is presented as the chief sin in the Bible, and shiqquts is often used to describe such.
2. In his campaign of Hellenization, Antiochus caused an altar to be erected on the altar for burnt-offerings of the Second Temple, on which pig sacrifices were offered to Zeus Olympios. (Comp. 1 Maccabees 1:54). Following the wording of Daniel 9:27, this may have been the abomination of desolation of Jerusalem.
3. sinful sacrifices (Isaiah 66:3)
4. idolatry (Deuteronomy 29:17, Ezekiel 20:7,8, 1Kings 11:5-7, Jeremiah 13:27)
5. witchcraft (2 Kings 23:24)

You just contradicted yourself. God shut Noah and his family within the Ark BEFORE judgment came. Lot and his family were literally dragged out of Sodom BEFORE judgment was poured out. God commanded the Israelites to put the blood of the lamb on their doorposts and lintels BEFORE He sent judgment upon Egypt. And Enoch was translated from earth to Heaven BEFORE the Flood. Enoch's rapture is a preview of the Rapture of the saints.

Divine wrath is reserved for the unbelieving, the ungodly, and the wicked. For the enemies of God. But for Christians here is the message: God has NOT appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation. Why? Because Christ Himself took the full wrath of God against us when He died for our sins.

No, my point was Noah still went through the tragedy of the Flood.
Pre-Trib is claiming we won't go through Tribulation.
Noah went through the Tribulation, he was not removed from Earth to avoid it.

Big Difference!

Unlike some of the other posters, I do not see "Noah & crew" as a picture of those being "RAPTURED" (rather, of those coming through the Trib yrs: comp. Dan2:35, Gen9:1, Matt24:37-41/Lk17:24-37)... Instead, I see "ENOCH" (ONE MAN) as a type/picture of "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" (ONE BODY) being kept wholly outside of the time-period of the "flood judgment" unfolding upon the earth